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More on refugees : Comments

By Guy Hallowes, published 18/9/2015

In June 2015 60 million refugees were looking for refuge. They are still looking and the number is being added to at a rate of 50000 per day.

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I think you will find Germany is waking up to the error of making hasty decisions.

From accepting 800,000 to this.

German interior minister aims to toughen asylum law
Berlin (AFP) - Germany's Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere is seeking to toughen asylum laws by sending migrants back to the first European Union country they reached and by reducing benefits, under a draft law seen by AFP Thursday.

The draft, which has not yet been approved by the council of ministers, aims to discourage asylum-seekers flowing into Germany, which is expecting this year's influx to spike to up to a million migrants from 200,000 last year.

Such a law, if passed, would represent a major reversal on Germany's easing of asylum laws for Syrians.

Europe's biggest economy has become the top destination for people fleeing wars and misery in Syria and elsewhere. Many of them have reached Germany after taking a perilous route through the Balkans and central Europe.

CON'T
Posted by Philip S, Friday, 18 September 2015 9:55:48 AM
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Conservative De Maiziere wants the so-called Dublin Regulation, which normally requires people to make their asylum claims in the first EU country they enter, to be enforced again after Germany said in August it would no longer apply to Syrians.

If his draft is approved, it could leave dozens of thousands of people who have reached Germany in recent weeks out in the cold.

It would also leave migrants who are refused asylum but who cannot be deported to their home countries under German law with neither the right to work nor the right to social benefits, putting them in an impossible situation.

In a separate development, the head of Germany's Office for Migration and Refugees, Manfred Schmidt, resigned Thursday, citing "personal reasons".

The office had repeatedly come in for criticism amid a huge backlog in handling a record wave of asylum requests as Europe faces its worst migration crisis since World War II.
Posted by Philip S, Friday, 18 September 2015 9:56:36 AM
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Guy's warning are based on a business as usual condition of the economy.
I suspect what we should be discussing is how the situation will be
handled if an economic crisis comes upon us ?
Will it mean that immigrants could only move locally because troops
would be used to corral them into their home countries.
A financial crisis would mean that there would be NO money available
to supply food.

There is another problem on the horizon, Egypt.
Agriculture studies have determined that Egypt a hundred years ago or
so had a population of about 40 million and it was limited by the Nile
Valley productivity. Because Egypt had a large export income from
oil and tourism the government was able to subsidise food and fuel.
This enabled an increase in the population up to the current 85 million.

However peak oil exports declined sharply from 2000 onwards and
forced the government to decrease the food & fuel subsidies.
The resultant rioting culminated in the overthrow of Mubarak.
With the military government in control the situation has not improved.

The Gulf states have been helping Egypt out but with much lower oil
incomes a financial crisis would probably end that charity.
When that happens 45 Million Egyptians will start walking.
Their shortest walk to food might be into the sub Saharan countries
but they will meet people walking North.
So it would be boats or walking through Israel or Jordan.

Not a good vibe coming from that scenario.
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 18 September 2015 5:11:11 PM
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We need to stop destabilising countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Syria and Ukraine - these are the countries where most of the refugees are coming from - we aren't innocent bystanders - or at least our governments aren't. We need to get our Middle Eastern allies like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey and Israel to stop aiding and assisting ISIS.

The truth is out there, but don't expect the MSM to report it.
Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad

The Not So Secret Ukraine Phone Call
http://www.thenation.com/article/not-so-secret-ukraine-phone-call/
Posted by BJelly, Friday, 18 September 2015 8:09:43 PM
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The reason why Germany is an economic success, Guy Hallows, is because it is still largely populated by Germans. Who, as you correctly pointed out, have a well appreciated cultural norm of "discipline and efficiency". They also have a negative birth rate. The reason why Third World societies are dysfunctional, Guy, is because they are full of third worlders, who have cultural values of tribalism, fatalism, religious fundamentalism, endemic corruption, socialist economics, despotism, Sharia laws, gender inequality, a belief in socialist economic theories, and birth rates which are exploding.

Your implication that third world economic migrants are "educated" and will enrich the societies they flock to, is laughable. 72% of the present tidal wave of illegal immigrants and "refugees" are 72% young males, 50% of whom have never been to school, and 50% of whom have never had a job. They will simply swell the already bloated welfare budgets of Europe by adding millions more to the already 50% of Muslims who are already on welfare in Europe.

What is going on in Germany I can not say for sure. But I think that Angela Merkel wants to become the Kevin Rudd of Germany by flooding Germany with immigrants, while her own people scream at her to stop the flood.

The one things article conveniently forgot to mention were the negative aspects of third world immigration into Europe which includes skyrocketing crime rates, bankrupt welfare budgets, rape statistics through the roof caused by Muslims towards the host population females, terrorism, and a demographic shift which will see Europe a Muslim majority continent within 50 years. When the Muslims and other third worlders have ruined Europe, Guy, where will they go to next? How about your own suburb?

Instead of thinking that European countries are greedy because they are successful and we should share the wealth, why don't you savagely attack any culture which encourages high birth rates, religious fundamentalism, tribalism, and socialist economics? I suppose you have been culturally conditioned by your school teachers to think that your own successful civilisation is evil, and it must be destroyed.
Posted by LEGO, Saturday, 19 September 2015 8:13:05 AM
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There is no doubt that American and European actions have destroyed Middle Eastern stability and created total anarchy in Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq. Thank God the Russians and the Iranians have the sense to support the Damascus regime and Assad. The silence from Saudi Arabia and Turkey apart from the token bombing campaign against Isis is not helpful and Turkey’s war on the Kurds is disgraceful. If the Russians and Iranians can stabilise Syria the refugees will return. We will then only have the problems of Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq
Posted by SILLER, Saturday, 19 September 2015 8:34:29 AM
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