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More on refugees : Comments

By Guy Hallowes, published 18/9/2015

In June 2015 60 million refugees were looking for refuge. They are still looking and the number is being added to at a rate of 50000 per day.

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A suggestion about what is probably needed to significantly reduce the world's refugee crisis is in "Reform of Islam is the Only Real Solution to the Refugee Crisis "
http://cpds.apana.org.au/Teams/Articles/refugee_complexities.htm#9_9_15
Posted by CPDS, Saturday, 19 September 2015 8:40:59 AM
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It is time for the Americans to back off and let common sense prevail. They justify their actions with threats of war crime trials against Assad and a host of American legal terminology while discreetly turning a blind eye to Turkey’s action against the Kurds and Saudi Arabia’s action against the Shia in Yemen. There is a hope for peace through Russian and Iranian actions in Syria we should support them.
Posted by SILLER, Saturday, 19 September 2015 8:49:33 AM
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Siller,
Your suggestion of the cause of the middle east troubles is far too simplistic.
Basically is is an Arab/Moslem problem. Their culture and religion has
led them into the mess their countries are in.
To blame others who have expected better of them, and who have
stepped in to sort things out, as in the present situation, is just
silly.
It seems to me that their genetic problems have made them unable to
make compromises with neighbours, other religions, or modify their
own religion to make it compatible with the rest of the world.

The common bogie that people raise such as the oil business is largely
a furphy, as international companies were needed because their own
technical abilities were not up to the job. Aramco was taught by the
international oil companies so Saudi Arabia does it all itself.
The claim of wars for oil assumes that countries (US, UK ?) were
stupid enough to go to war when they could just buy the oil !
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 19 September 2015 11:12:42 AM
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Get real CPDS and Bazz - ask yourself which of these Muslim states has tried to overthrow another and 9 times out of ten the US MIC will have something to do with it.

From the US backed overthrow of Mossedegh in Iran in the 1950s - when CIA agent with the unlikely name of Kermit Roosevelt Jr (Grandson of President Roosevelt)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

Through to the installation of Saddam Hussein as leader in Iraq - he was quite a handy asset during the US backed Iran/Iraq war.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/revealed-how-the-west-set-saddam-on-the-bloody-road-to-power-1258618.html

Then you have the CIA backing the Mujahideen in Afghanistan in the 1980s with Operation Cyclone - lead to the rise of Al Qaeda,and Osama Bin Laden.
Here is an interview with Hillary Clinton admitting the CIA backed these radical jihadists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnLvzV9xAHA

Through to the overthrow of the Gaddafi regime in 2011 where the US and NATO backed rebels (Al Qaeda) to conduct regime change. This conflict also allowed weapons to move to Syria which then got into the hands of so-called moderate rebels such as Al Nusra (Al Qaeda) and later ISIS.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-us-nato-backed-al-qaeda-terrorists-using-wmds-chemical-weapons-against-the-syrian-people/5327507

Ask yourself why are we so closely allied to the house of Saud? An absolute monarchy - no democracy here. No women's rights here. They happen to support and export the most extreme form of Islam - Wahhabism. Most of the 9/11 attackers came from there, Bin Laden's family has close links with the Bush family - check out the Carlyle group. This is our closest Muslim Ally? Really? It doesn't make sense does it? Unless chaos is what you want.

To really combat terror, end support for Saudi Arabia
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/31/combat-terror-end-support-saudi-arabia-dictatorships-fundamentalism

Now we have Ret Gen Patraeus calling for us to support Al Qaeda to fight ISIS in Syria - really?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-02/sparrow-petraeus-anti-terror-laws/6743282
Posted by BJelly, Saturday, 19 September 2015 12:22:48 PM
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According to Robert Parry (a journalist who is best known for his role in covering the Iran-Contra affair)

This is a cool utube video that explains this crazy saga where the US sold weapons to Iran (their enemy) and the CIA was trafficking crack cocaine to West Coast Ghettos to fund killers known as the Contras in Nicaragua - nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nix_vj2DaqQ

He asks if it the Neo Cons who are the real threat with their endless schemes of regime change - Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine.
"The neocons have plunged the U.S. government into extraordinarily ill-considered wars wasting trillions of dollars, killing hundreds of thousands if not millions of people, and destabilizing large swaths of the planet including the Middle East, much of Africa and now Europe. Those costs include a swelling hatred against America and a deformed U.S. foreign policy elite that is no longer capable of formulating coherent strategies.
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Diehl, of course, starts off with the neocon-approved narrative of the Ukraine crisis, ignoring the key role of neocon Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland (Robert Kagan’s wife) in midwifing the Feb. 22, 2014 coup that overthrew democratically elected President Viktor Yanukovych and installed an intensely anti-Russian regime on Russia’s border. Nuland even handpicked the new Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, telling U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt in a phone call several weeks before the coup that “Yats is the guy.”

The coup-makers then dispatched neo-Nazi militias (and Islamist militants) to wage a bloody “anti-terrorism operation” against ethnic Russian Ukrainians who resisted the “regime change.” [See Consortiumnews.com’s “Ukraine Merges Nazis and Islamists.”]

But all that complexity is neatly boiled down by American neocons and the mainstream U.S. media as “Russian aggression.” Regarding the Syrian civil war, some neocons have even joined with senior Israeli officials in claiming that a victory by Al Qaeda is preferable to the continuation of Assad’s secular regime. [See Consortiumnews.com’s “Syria’s Nightmarish Narrative.”]
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/09/15/are-neocons-an-existential-threat/

I know it sounds crazy. Don't take my word for it, check it out for yourselves. Is the chaos in the world all caused by the Muslims? Give me a break!
Posted by BJelly, Saturday, 19 September 2015 12:48:57 PM
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Here is one more Youtube video - this time Gen Wesley Clark who recounts the US plan to invade 7 countries - Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, And Iran. Not all have happened but most have. Not a bad effort!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8YtF76s-yM

"We've made the decision we're going to war with Iraq." This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, "We're going to war with Iraq? Why?" He said, "I don't know." He said, "I guess they don't know what else to do." So I said, "Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?" He said, "No, no." He says, "There's nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq." He said, "I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists, but we've got a good military and we can take down governments." And he said, "I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail."

So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, "Are we still going to war with Iraq?" And he said, "Oh, it's worse than that." He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, "I just got this down from upstairs" -- meaning the Secretary of Defense's office -- "today." And he said, "This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." I said, "Is it classified?" He said, "Yes, sir." I said, "Well, don't show it to me." And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, "You remember that?" He said, "Sir, I didn't show you that memo! I didn't show it to you!"
Posted by BJelly, Saturday, 19 September 2015 12:57:30 PM
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