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By David Singer, published 16/7/2013Creating a bi-national State in Jordan has always been the solution most likely to succeed in resolving the conflict between Jews and Arabs.
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Posted by MEH, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 11:29:32 AM
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"...witnessing conflict after conflict with intolerable suffering for both Jews and Arabs," observes the Singer.
As one who has watched the plight of the Palestinians over many years, I have not seen any evidence of 'the intolerable suffering of the Jews.' What I have noticed is the Jews beating up on the Palestinians, humiliating them, demolishing their homes and farms, building Jew-only roads, shooting their children, holding them up at checkpoints, bombing and shelling them, using phosphorous munitions on them, starving them, blockading them, using tanks, Apache helicopters, warships, and F16s against them, withholding their taxes, building apartheid walls, stopping them from getting medical help and supplies from donor countries, etc, etc. Sure, the Palestinians went through a period where suicide bombers and home-made rockets inflicted some minor harm but little in comparison with the deaths and destruction caused by the IDF. And, of course, people under brutal occupation are entitled to attempt to fight against those occupying them using any means. Perhaps Singer could provide some hard evidence to support his claim that the Jews suffered intolerably! Posted by David G, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 2:20:55 PM
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I agree with David G, and add that the wrong that the racists have done which has led to all the further wrongs that he has enumerated is to invade the inhabitants' country, steal their land, slaughter and exile them in a deadly orgy of ethnic cleansing, set up an über-racist state of their own on their cleared territory, and proclaim a right to it all on the spurious grounds of being "special".
On the ground of being too high and mighty to share all their real homelands as legal equals with everyone else, they are presenting an ongoing and escalating threat to the right of the rest of us to conduct our lives free of the threat of nuclear war brought by their expansionist aggression. It seems the best defence is to target their lobby in the rest of the world, especially in America, as an enemy of the rest of us. Apartheid South Africa was finally weeded out by existential challenge and rejection. Israel is more difficult and more urgent because of its global pretensions. Posted by EmperorJulian, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 6:06:16 PM
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David, unfortunately has a preoccupation with Jordan somehow being the solution to 'his bigger problem'.
Any attempt at real conversation regarding the Mandate and it's Articles are lost on David because he is a bigot. Any half-brained nit-wit would realise that the lands now proclaimed as part of the 'broader Israel' resulting from the war of 1967 are based totally on a lie, one perpetrated by the Zionists. Israel started this war, under the sneaky guise of a psychopath named Moshe Dayan and his political minions including the US government, that has been subverted by the Zionist regime since at least the late 1920s. Israel is an 'Ersatz' political entity built on the bones of too many people to mention. Singer won't decry the Arab (Palestinian) woes, nor their demise. He has but one bent, the creation of a false nation, based on a false religion, based on ..... well who knows what! He will only continue to lie and attempt to justify his racists rants based on a myth, one that is unfortunately perpetuated by the current Israeli administration and their apologists, including the AIPC and the US government, not that these people have any real standing in a free and true society as most of us see it. Why you bother David is beyond me! Posted by Geoff of Perth, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 10:33:21 PM
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To add an insult to your injury David, I would like to add that at the current rate of oil extraction, one based on IEA and energy experts, I would expect the US to restrain further and further from supporting a false nation in the Middle East.
I care not for the end result, I just understand the basics of physics and the reality that political will to support a tragic misunderstanding in the broader Arab world will come to an end in the next 20 years or so. You can continue to post your racist rants on this forum as much as you like, unfortunately the rapidly growing population of Muslims will see your dreams disappear as time marches on. If you are so confident vis your mantra, do us all a favour and move to 'greater israel', I wish you luck, you will need it. Oh, that's right, much easier to pontificate from here isn't it! Regards Geoff Posted by Geoff of Perth, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 11:02:58 PM
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Yes, Geoff of Perth, the colossal oil extraction expansion in and around California spells doom for the ridiculous Israel experiment. The foreign settlers in Palestine have three alternatives:
[1] Enter honest negotiations for a single, non-racist, secular, democratic state for everyone born in or exiled from Palestine over the last century. OR [2] Prepare for Sharia "Law", grow beards and buy body bags for the women to wear outside the home OR [3] Relocate to their own countries. Worldwide effort needs to be directed to alternative [1], modelled more or less on South Africa whose laws recognise no "special" status for any race. Forget about Jordan - that "solution" is a lost cause. A clue to why Mr Singer maintains his propaganda drive is set out at http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israel-foreign-ministry-media Posted by EmperorJulian, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 2:32:03 PM
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As of the end of 2012, there were “6,684 individuals dealing with security exports in 1,006 companies and 312 independent businesses. The Israeli Defence Export Controls Agency issued 1,900 marketing permits and 8,716 export permits.”
Apparently some 6,684 Israelis are making a living selling death around the world.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/07/15/the-death-merchants-of-tel-aviv/