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Men and misogyny are two separate things : Comments

By Meghan Murphy, published 19/1/2012

It is not in the nature of things for men to be misogynistic, and even if it were, why accept nature?

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Excellent points. Thank you for this opinion, which I find, actually, quite generous toward men with its implication that they do not relish in misogyny and draw an identity from it.
Posted by Let's talk, Thursday, 19 January 2012 7:16:40 AM
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I'm not sure a mocking opinion parody piece is the best way to address this debate. I am male, anti hard core porn, but accepting of soft core erotica. I see hard core porn as a symptom of a sick society, the social determinants of which are many and complex but have to do with both men and women. Megan Murphy might have spent her time more wisely by addressing some of these complexities and presenting some of the extensive research data in support, rather than her trite HAHA's .

I am simply amazed that this article was published on this site, when recent well written and research supported, submissions by a colleague of mine addressing important issues around domestic violence were rejected by the editor who states " but I am careful what I will publish." Presumably highligting that women can and are violent too is something that should not be discussed.

Greg Canning
Posted by rper1959, Thursday, 19 January 2012 7:17:48 AM
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Bettina Arndt recently wrote an interesting article about how men spend a life time suppressing sexual desires.

A subject that until now no-one dared to cover, yet even then feminists are quick to try and kill any discussion on the subject/
Posted by JamesH, Thursday, 19 January 2012 8:09:04 AM
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Well Iíve been called misogynist so many times it doesnít mean much to me, except that someone canít properly express themselves, so they have to resort to words like misogynist.

I think most feminists canít think or express themselves very well at all, so they classify things as being "patriarchal" or "misogynist" or something similar.

Use of such big words helps them look or seem important, while hiding the fact that they really canít think very big at all, or see much of the bigger picture.
Posted by vanna, Thursday, 19 January 2012 8:45:59 AM
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A very ordinary attempt at critique. It would have been better to confront your opponents in a more serious way.
I wonder if Murphy would like to tackle women's implicit role in perpetuating the porn industry? The usual argument, which Murphy insinuates in her article, is that men have somehow deviously manipulated women into doing porn beyond their will. According to feminists only men can be responsible for their actions, and women are just dumb, passive creatures easily manipulated.
This same (tired) argument can be reversed: men were manipulated beyond their volition by the sexual allurement of women, and were objectified by women in order for them to be paid large sums of money.

Also, I wonder if the feminists would confront the issue of wage inequality in the porn industry. The actresses are paid more than double the actors, are they not?
Posted by Aristocrat, Thursday, 19 January 2012 9:57:49 AM
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Now, now Aristocrat,

You canít use logic. I have attempted to use logic with feminists many times, and it just doesnít work.

But you have a point regards pay, and I thought of how much pay male models receive compared to female models, or is there such a thing as a super male model.

The female supermodels are of course being looked at, scrutinised and objectified by women, and paid a lot of money, but all they have to do is remember to turn when they get to the end of the catwalk.

There is a lot of money to be made by being objectified by women.
Posted by vanna, Thursday, 19 January 2012 11:22:51 AM
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