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Men and misogyny are two separate things : Comments

By Meghan Murphy, published 19/1/2012

It is not in the nature of things for men to be misogynistic, and even if it were, why accept nature?

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*I don't believe that your erection is dependent on my subordination.*

Easy fixed, Meghan, then don't subordinate. Meantime some of your
attention seeking sisters are out there, doing their thing with
pleasure, as they just love the attention.

Why should that be any of your business or my business?
Posted by Yabby, Thursday, 19 January 2012 2:03:51 PM
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Men and misogyny are two separate things...

thanks Meghan for saying this with such grace.

Helen
Posted by isabelberners, Thursday, 19 January 2012 3:41:07 PM
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isabelberners

She said it with somewhat less grace when she originally posted it on the "F Word"

Can I get a F(censored) you?

(it against the forum rule to use the actual profanity in her title. )

http://www.feminisms.org/4248/can-i-get-a-fk-you-why-erections-are-always-right-and-feminists-are-always-wrong/

which begs the question of why the national forum bother with it here?
Posted by rper1959, Thursday, 19 January 2012 3:49:47 PM
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Wow. So much anger.

'Shaw argues that feminists who are critical of porn are hysterical, screechy, and, generally, stupid.'

You're trying to prove him right in this article?

'setting up a "straw-man version of anti-porn campaigners as ideologically driven, extreme feminists or religious loons."

So in response, you set up a straw man argument of 'This is actually what people who support the porn industry believe.'

'One can only assume that, before porn...'

I think porn has been around for a long time.

'I think we can reasonably conclude with this: feminists hate masturbation.'

Not really, it's more that a certain type of feminist resents men being 'gratified'. Well, I think it actually stretches to men being happy at all, but that's another topic altogether.

'Men make up the majority of consumers and makers of pornography. And, therefore, it has come to define male sexuality.'

Or do feminists WANT it to be definitive of male sexuality for their arguments? I so often hear it from feminists that porn is made for the male audience, and it reflects male sexuality, and it is an expression of male misogyny. Now you reckon it's somehow corrupting men? Regardless, women never liked men dictating their sexuality, why should men now allow feminist women to dictate to men their sexuality.

Not just in pornography, I believe the market decides what is popular, not the marketers. They might use the popularity of one thing to sell another, but what's popular is defined by the market. The market is screaming amatuer porn at the moment, no matter how many feminists spend all weekend looking at rape sites for their thesis on the inate misogyny of men and their corrupt (or corrupted) sexuality.

It's only fantasy. As long as there is choice and consent and decent pay and conditions, there is no problem. Rape fantasy is a popular female fantasy BTW.

Why aren't feminists interested about female sexuality at all? Feminism is always all about men it seems.

There's porn and there's porn. The argument goes nowhere when each side uses different things to define porn.

Spot-on Yabby.
Posted by Houellebecq, Thursday, 19 January 2012 3:51:36 PM
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'Men and misogyny are two separate things'

Next you'll try to tell us the mass of NGOs, pressure groups, statutory and non-statutory government bodies, universities and so forth all of whom work to 'advance women' only want 'equality'.

Who said women weren't funny?

I think women's studies graduates and misandry are two separate things too. Really.
Posted by dane, Thursday, 19 January 2012 5:59:55 PM
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rper1959

You seem to be right.

The author has an "F" radio show, and an "F" website and writes "F" articles.

That's really "F"

It must be a feminist who likes to use the "F" word as much as the word "misognist".

To be truthfull, I didn't think this article was all that worthy, but I didn't say anything earlier because I didn't want to upset any feminists.
Posted by vanna, Thursday, 19 January 2012 6:18:37 PM
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