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The Royal Smoke Screen : Comments

By Mark Christensen, published 19/4/2010

Can we just accept the safest option is the best or is fighting fire with fire what is needed?

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I disagree with you .
You have forgotten the peril many put themselves in to try to save the ignorant. Try to imagine one of your loved one's dieing trying to save someone who refuses or is too arrogant to learn from the past .

It is absolutely unforgivable that the forest is managed so badly .

The right to Reside in Forest Areas should be licensed if the Forest Floor per Hectare has trash/shrub/palm weight exceeding 400 Kg then the Residential license is withdrawn , so simple , no more Deaths or Burns Victims , no more megga Dollar Sky Crane water Bombers , no more Celebrities cranking up the Spin .

Factored into the above must come the thousands of ton's of CO2 exited to the atmosphere , the Value of the Timber lost and the Contribution now lost for 40 years at least to our wellbeing eg; fresh oxygen for us to Breathe , How Dumb and Stupid are we to let Forrest Floor "Trash/Shrub/Palm" weights get to alarming rates of , I'm guessing , 4 to 5 ton's to the Hectare not included in this guessamation is the trees that should have been culled as in thinning this promotes healthy forest Trees and eliminates Tinder Boxes .

All the while we must realize that Gums need fire to live , and to breed a gum seed pod will not strike until it has been fired , read "low temperature fire" not "Wild Fire" that burns seed pods and kills beneficial bugs bacteria fungus spores , marvels of the soil that provide essential nutrients to the Gums .
Growing Wattles in the burnt zone will shorten recovery times by several hundred percent
Posted by Garum Masala, Monday, 19 April 2010 1:04:02 PM
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INDEPENDENT BUSHFIRE RESEARCH INSTITUTE
Researching and Applying Bushfire Science.

After every major bushfire there is an Inquiry/Royal Commission. The ten or so in Victoria, WA, Tasmania and the ACT since 1939 recommended that measures are taken to reduce the fuel levels on the forest floor.
Unfortunately the Greens disagree with cool burning and do all they can to prevent it.
What is also true and easy to prove is that, while bushfire burned forest looses CO2 it also eliminates flora and fauna.
Where I live, thousands of square kms that were burnt three years ago at such a temperature that nothing now exists except burned tree trunks prove the value of fuel reduction burning..
The worst case scenario is where the Royal Commission do not condemn the actions of the Greens since the early 1980ís as they have used voting preferences to blackmail ALP Governments.
Posted by phoenix94, Monday, 19 April 2010 1:55:31 PM
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Phoenix , Perhaps an invitation should be sent to Bob Brown to Visit the recent fire zones in Vic , the victims of faulty Green Policy .
Not only but also the Forest Floor Trash Burn that took place at or near Kynton I think designed to protect Malmsbury . They took Aerial Photos and the evidence is irrefutable , essential viewing for Bob .
Posted by Garum Masala, Monday, 19 April 2010 2:49:56 PM
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Where is the mention of clearing land to prevent destruction. Clearing land immediately near homes seems the most sensible thing to do. This would avoid a complete loss of life and homes. If some clearing was carried out then wildlife would have a refuge in times of fires. As it is now not only wildlife is burnt out but also the human species.
So much for the environment but where is the common sense in all this. I have to be on alert every summer. I would much rather clear more land and not have to be so stressed. Clearing done to a sensible programme would work but of course the Green brigade want to return the land back as a Garden of Eden.
My property was managed better in the years before prevention of clearing was implemented than it has been since that time. With sensible burning off before the fire season and sensible clearing the firefighters would not have to spend their summers obliging the greenies.
Posted by 4freedom, Monday, 19 April 2010 3:44:46 PM
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I wonder what the Anzacs would think of their name being taken in vain to link to a spurious argument.
One may not be able to eliminate risk. But one can reduce risk. That is what risk assessment is all about. Assess risk and put in place process controls which then reduce risk. What the author seems to be saying is C'est al vie. Lie back and think of England. The Royal Commission is trying to ascertain whether things oculd have been done better. Is the author seriously suggesting that we should not attempt this?
Perhaps if the Anzacs and their leaders had asked questions prior to the landings the Gallipolli campaign may not have turned out to be the unmitigated disaster it became.
What would the Anzacs say indeed?
Posted by Shalmaneser, Monday, 19 April 2010 7:30:39 PM
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neither australians nor aotearoa/new zealanders should have been at gallipoli in the first place. the landing was a total mess up by churchill as war minister at the time and a total disgrace. no one should have lost his (or her) life at gallipoli - neither 'our diggers' or anyone else's and the turks as well. putting any human beings in a 'at risk' situation is obviously (sic) wrong and unjustified - whether war or bushfire.

as for the 'go' or 'stay' argument vis-a-vis bushfires, it is up to the individual however that decision should be made temperately taking into account the knowledge as to the situation as imparted by the firebrigade or whoever is the person 'in charge' and with the responsibility of advising those on the ground. if people stay and hence put others at risk, then that is not a responsible position to take.
Posted by jocelynne, Monday, 19 April 2010 8:16:01 PM
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