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The Nationals Are A Rock Solid Mob

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This is one of those rare times I must say: 'methinks thou protesteth too much'.
None of us has any responsibility for something done a long time ago.
Things happened back then, some good, some less so.
They were dealt with at the time, and society moved on.
There were grievances aplenty I am sure, but we shouldn't drag those along with us through the centuries?
That is a foolish notion to have?
And it is foolish to engage in feuds?

Ownership is a case in point.
We only own what we can defend, or have defended for us.
This includes land and freedoms.

When we are born, we wake up to the world as it is today.
We don't need anyone cluttering up our world with long past grievances.
Practical 'conventions' and 'traditions' are ok.
But it seems there are some who want to keep absurd ideas alive.
Are they just trying to be noticed?
Let us stop all this absurd and wasteful back-chatter, and move forward together, purposefully and peacefully.
Posted by Ipso Fatso, Tuesday, 6 December 2022 5:13:21 PM
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Hi Ipso Fatso,

Its about recognition of the past through truth telling. For too long Australia failed to come to term with the reality of its past history in relation to the first inhabitants. We presented a sanitised history of some truth, some distortion of the truth, and some down right lies. Indeed we of today are not responsible for the events of the past, but we are responsible for the ramifications of those past events as they effect today. Our future development is rooted in the past, European colonising of the continent had grievous consequences for Aboriginal people and those consequences are still with us today.

The patronising attitude of, white man knows what's best for Aboriginal people, and should make all the important decisions, has failed and should stop. A new direction of self determination for Aboriginal people is what's called for, 'The Voice' is only a part of that new direction.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 5:41:07 AM
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Ipso Fatso,

You say that you can't be held responsible for something
that was done ion the past? Well you certainly can be
held to account if it continues to impact on the present.
And if you have a chance to improve things - you should have
the decency to do so!
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 9:10:11 AM
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Brittany Higgins says she is willing to testify if Bruce Lehrmann launches any civil cases
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/dec/07/brittany-higgins-says-she-is-willing-to-testify-if-bruce-lehrmann-launches-defamation-cases

If she says she's willing to testify in court, then there's no reason why the retrial to not proceed.

The retrial should go ahead, and any any all evidence relating to whether Brittany fabricated her story or made false allegations should also be fully investigated as well.
- Take her phones, computers etc, access all her records.

Put Brittany on trial for making false allegations.
I think Brittany knows full well that just in the same way the she can't prove she was raped that she also knows others can't prove she fabricated her story either.

I think this whole saga should proceed as far as it can go.
If Brittany can make the accusation, knowing full well that her side of the story cannot be proven with evidence then that opens the door for any woman to make rape allegations without any evidence and without any penalty if they're lying.

BTW, what difference does a research paper regarding fake rape allegations matter anyway?
If the case was about vehicle death due to negligence, and one of the jurors read a research paper on road death statistics what would it matter?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 11:11:18 PM
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You are looking at this from the wrong end.
Start at the beginning.
Several separated groups of persons had loose control of this continent for thousands of years.
But that control was tenuous at best.
I am quite sure that each group had its 'territory', and defended that from other groups as best they could.
But the benefits of almost total isolation couldn't last.
The world was changing.
Along came the Brits.
They were a determined and superior force, and established overall control of the land.
That was the way of the world back then: and it still is!
Skirmishes took place in many areas, as the inhabitants made a show of defence.
However, they were vanquished, and then had no realistic option but to join the new regime.
They couldn't beat them, so their best move was to join them.
But did they?
Some did, but many didn't.
So a kind of feud continues to this day.
Absurd stories are told about always was and always will be.
The reality is quite different.
Someone is carrying disagreement too far.
It is time for those vocal few to get wise, and become peaceful and productive.
They have no claim to anything their long dead ancestors used or enjoyed.
It is foolish to try to speak or act on behalf of long dead persons.
A long dead person doesn't exist.
Such a person can have no wants or rights or desires.
He cannot be charged with an offence.
He cannot charge others with an offence.
He cannot own anything or make decisions.
He exists only as an awareness in the mind.
He did what he could while alive, then passed the work to the younger generation.
Who eventually became old, and so on...
It is disgracefully foolish to pretend that long dead persons can control us today.
They are historical fact only.
We live in the present, and must continue to do so.
And we must hope that a superior force doesn't overwhelm our present day democracy.
Posted by Ipso Fatso, Thursday, 8 December 2022 1:35:18 PM
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Being among the group of the more astute political and social pundits on the Forum I never believed the claim by the' Cow Cocky' Party that their decision to oppose an Aboriginal Voice to parliament had unanimous support from within. Federal MP Andrew Gee has resigned from the party in protest at their short sighted cockeyed decision to oppose the Voice. Along with his contrary view on the Voice, Gee sighted the failure of the National Party to adequately represent regional Australia as another reason to say stick it fellas! Just more evidence that the Conservatives are a spent force in Australian politics. The Ex-Minister for Everything will be the next to go.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 24 December 2022 1:01:14 PM
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