Hey ttbn,
"On subsidies. How about the ones that the idiot Bowen has a agreed too? Indebted Australia, along with other "rich" Western countries, are going to hand over money to 'developing' countries - including China!

This 'loss and damage' fund will amount to many billions of dollars ever year."

I heard that Africa's going to get a 2.8 tln bill it has to pay by 2030.
- Way to keep the poor people down.

Did you see what Meloni had to say about France?
‘Magnificent’: Meloni blasts France’s ‘exploitation’ of African countries on live TV
http://youtu.be/q-C8ogD6E8c

Meanwhile...
France's Macron accuses Russia of 'predatory' influence in Africa
http://www.reuters.com/world/frances-macron-accuses-russia-predatory-influence-africa-2022-11-20/

Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.

Keep in mind this money were giving away isn't money we have, it'll add to the national debt, money loaned with interest.

How much are we giving this fund, and developing countries?
What is it they want 3 billion?

Meanwhile we sell Victoria's second biggest port to foreign funds management.
http://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/geelongport-sold-to-consortium-in-1-1-billion-deal-20221121-p5bzxu.html

Give away 3 billion borrowed money to developing countries whilst we sell a port to foreign bankers for 1 billion.
We help the poor countries, whilst rich bankers help themselves to our essential infrastructure.
- This country really is filled with idiots. -

With thinking like this we deserve whatever we get.
- And you lot try to defend the west?

NOW HEAR THIS :

ELECTRIC CARS & TRUCKS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH GLOBAL WARMING !

They are coming in because the oil companies gave notice that they are planning on leaving the oil industry. Fracking is a stopgap.
I have not read all the posts of this thread but any that mention cars & trucks assume they are produced to reduce co2.
The plain fact of the matter is that peak crude oil occurred in 2005.
The cost of finding new oil fields and then developing them has become
just too expensive.
That is all there is to it !

Just to stir the pot !
When can we expect to see any climate change greater than seasons ?

MHAZE,

Fossil fuel subsidies cost Australians a staggering $11.6 billion in 2021-22, an increase of $1.3 billion in the last year, according to new Australia Institute research.

The total value of future fossil fuel subsidies already committed in Federal, state and territory budgets is $55.3 billion – more than 10 times the balance of Australia’s Emergency Response Fund ($4.8 billion in Dec 2021), while $11.6 billion is 56 times the budget of the National Recovery and Resilience Agency.

Key Findings
Fossil fuel subsidies cost $11.6 billion in 2021-22 across all federal, state and territory governments, equivalent to $22,139 per minute.
This marks a $1.3 billion (12%) increase on the 2020-21 total of $10.3 billion. States and territories actually reduced subsidies by $214 million but this was outweighed by a $1.4 billion increase from the Federal Government.
The total value already committed in federal, state and territory budgets is $55.3 billion, which is 11 times the balance of Australia’s Emergency Response Fund ($4.8 billion in Dec 2021), while $11.6 billion in 2021-22 is 56 times the budget of the National Recovery and Resilience Agency.
Fossil fuel subsidies cost the Federal Government $10.5 billion in 2021-22, $1.4 billion more than 2020-21.
These subsidies cost the Federal Government more than it spent on public schools in the same year ($9.7 billion).
http://australiainstitute.org.au/post/australian-fossil-fuel-subsidies-surge-to-11-6-billion-in-2021-22/

Donations of coal would be more useful to Africa than money. There is no way in the world that they will spend money responsibly, and renewables will never work for them. Should anyone think that I am being unkind to Africa, I'll add that I don't think that any Third World countries will spend responsibly. That's why they are Third World.

I note that MG is still using the very references he gets his garbage from as 'proof' of his wacky opinions.