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Electricity Prises Up 50% Next Year

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"Meanwhile, Europe has finally learned not to rely on Russian gas and is getting more serious about their climate obligations."

What, by burning garbage? Lol
They really showed them hey!!

http://www.wired.com/story/in-europe-backlash-heats-up-over-garbage-incinerators/
Whatever it takes to stay warm.

Actually there were mass protests building in Germany demanding Nordstream 2 be opened in the days prior to sabotage of the pipeline.

I think the winner of todays award for complete ignorance goes to Penny Wong.

"Australia stands with Ukraine in condemning Russia’s deadly missile attacks.
Reports these missiles have also struck Polish territory are deeply concerning.
We again call on Russia to withdraw its forces and end its illegal, immoral war."
http://twitter.com/SenatorWong/status/1592634653323980800

Poland blast caused by missile fired by Ukrainian forces at incoming Russian missile - AP
http://www.reuters.com/world/poland-blast-caused-by-missile-fired-by-ukrainian-forces-incoming-russian-2022-11-16/

'Never let the truth get in the way of a good story'

Some of our leaders just may belong on the Muppet Show.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 4:42:44 PM
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Trade Commitments?

Like Oz Waffe?

http://www.contactairlandandsea.com/2022/08/04/rheinmetall-nioa-munitions-queensland-factory-starts-producing/

http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/company/divisions_and_subsidiaries/rheinmetall_waffe_munition/index.php

Fancy Australians in partnership with Germans to make weapons for export...
Truth is definitely stranger than fiction I tell you.

90 million dollar plant, gets 36million dollars in funding from the Federal and Queensland Governments,
- What a bargain, no wonder they came here to build their factory.

Will eventually hire UP TO [drumroll] 100 workers.

“Maryborough will become the number one regional manufacturing hub”

Wow! NATO standard 155mm.

But don't worry, Penny and Albo have gone hat in hand to the Chinese to beg for our exports back.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 5:12:42 PM
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What about these trade commitments

Australian gas 40% cheaper in Japan than in Australia despite export costs
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/aug/16/australian-gas-40-cheaper-japan-than-australia-despite-export-costs

"Australian gas is being shipped and sold to wholesale customers in Japan for 40% less than it is sold to Australian customers, despite the extra costs of liquefying and shipping the gas there.

The commitment to exporting Australian gas has left fewer companies selling gas to the Australian market, meaning both retail and wholesale gas prices have risen sharply, pushing up local electricity prices up too."

That was based on 2016 prices, wonder how much of a bargain they're getting now since the price has increased by 4 to 10 times in the last year...

It feels so good to be winning...
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 5:22:36 PM
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DIESEL COSTS RISING DUE TO UKRAINE WAR

Not that long ago, the old van was the most economical vehicle in the family fleet of two (three if you include the motorcycle but that doesn't carry surfboards, groceries and the dog). You'd fill it for less than $100. A full tank might cost a little more but would provide many more kilometres than the petrol-powered car. Now, a full tank of diesel costs an eye-watering amount - almost $200 - so the van rarely goes out. How the tables have turned.

In 2019, when Scott Morrison accused Labor of wanting to end the weekend with its more ambitious electric vehicle policy, he had no idea the biggest threat to the diesel ute would end up being Vladimir Putin.

His invasion of UKRAINE has put a premium on diesel as demand has soared - not just for vehicles but for power generation as well. And because we import some refined petroleum products including diesel from India, which hasn't signed up to sanctions against Russia and buys its crude from there, our utes might be indirectly bankrolling Moscow's war. We'd never know.

In recent years, Australia has lost half of its oil refining capacity. Local refineries have closed, we're told by the oil majors, because they simply can't compete with the giant Asian facilities. With just two refineries remaining operational in Australia, warnings were sounded just last year about this dependence on imported fuel, especially if there were disruptions to supply chains.

Those disruptions have arrived in the form of demand spikes, driven by the UKRAINE war. Even as the price of crude and regular petrol comes off the boil, diesel remains costly, adding to the price of everyday products which require transport, in turn fuelling inflation.
Posted by Maverick, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 9:04:43 AM
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Hi Maverick,
this is what you're looking for.

https://electricvehiclecouncil.com.au/cost-calculator/

Then add some solar to your roof (or buy into a Solar Garden co-op) and it's like having your own oil refinery!
Posted by Max Green, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 11:26:17 AM
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Thanks Max

As I'm just a few years into a CX-5

and where I live has no public electricity charge stations for about 200 km

and my little single story roof is wedged between 2 x 2 story "sun blocker" houses on either side

paying the odd $60,000 (minimum?) for an EV is not a good investment this side of 2027

and that's After I've moved to a house that can take solar cells.

Cheers Mavs
Posted by Maverick, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 4:49:55 PM
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