The first two weeks of September have been set down for Labor's historic bring together of business leaders, worker representatives along with other interested parties and politicians, about 100 invitees in total, to discuss the critical economic issues confronting Australia around barriers to employment, while delivering a higher quality labour force, and at the same time growing Australia's industry base.

Labor's Treasurer Jim Chalmers has released an 'issues paper' to set the focus of the summits agenda, it contains five key areas.

(1) Full employment and growing productivity.
(2) Job security and wages.
(3) Labour participation and reducing barriers to employment.
(4) A high-quality labour force through skills training and migration.
(5) Maximising opportunities for the industries of the future.

If successful this summit should go a long way towards securing Australia's economic future.

It was good to see both the Nationals leader David Littleproud and Greens leader Adam Bandt willing to cross the political divide and accept Labor's invitation to attend for the greater good of Australia. Unfortunately Opposition leader Peter Dutton has chosen not to front up, making himself, and his party, even more irrelevant to the economic debate within the country. Maybe its time for Dutton to take a permanent holiday for all the good he does. He's just back from a two week vacation in the great US of A.

(1) Full employment and growing productivity.

Full employment, pie in the sky BS
Growing Pruductivity, I'll get back to that.

(2) Job security and wages.

You can't expect employers to be offering permanent jobs with holidays in an business environment with this much inflation and uncertainty.

(3) Labour participation and reducing barriers to employment.

You can reskill some of the people, but you can't remove peoples barriers to employment when their barriers are health issues.

(4) A high-quality labour force through skills training and migration.

Skills training is a worthy endeavor, as long as it leads to better outcomes for Australia.
If our best go overseas, it's a waste of money.
If politicians forgive debts without students reaching an outcome, it's double the stupidity.
If we import people with no skills and have to spend money to train them, then we are spending money to change our country and culture.

(5) Maximising opportunities for the industries of the future.

What industries do we even have left now?

David Littleproud and Adam Bandt.
Good they are taking part, nothing will be achieved if politicians don't work together for the greater good.
Doubt they will all agree on anything.
- Dutton's no show. Too busy in meetings for future wars that haven't started yet. He should go.

Labor tried to bring in full employment 80 years ago, and it was just as much BS then as it is now. Going hat in hand and bumcheeks pulled apart to business leaders isn't necessarily going to change things.

If he had a policy that could achieve it, he wouldn't be going grovelling.

I'm the only person I know who ever put forward an idea that would even make it possible.

Step 1. You need a foolproof plan.
If you don't have one, it's likely going to be a waste of time and money and nothing tangible will be achieved.

The coalition left Labor with an unemployment level below 4%, so the only unemployed were the sick, the lame, and the lazy.

The only reason for this talk fest is to spruik their union bosses, free food and virtue signalling. The only jobs created are for the hospitality and catering businesses to feed these slobs.

Labor have typically increase unemployment under their watch and relied on the coalition to bring it back under control.

No other mob likes a summit like Labor does. Yadayadayada for no result whatsoever.

Labor has the expertise, look at the thousands of jobs that they’ve destroyed.

Can see how negative the far right posters are. The Trumpster, the Hansonite, and the Redneck are but three examples.

The Greens being in support is a dead give away that the proposals will not be good for Australia

Only Paul the Putinist and left whinge nut jobs, think that spending tons of cash when inheriting a record low unemployment from the coalition is a good idea.

That is Albozo and his clowns are boosting inflation and interest rates.

Hi Maverick,

At the end of the day it comes down to what degree all other Australians are willing to give Aboriginal people a meaningful say in their own affairs. In the past its been very much a white mans prerogative to determine what's "best" for Aboriginal people. Sometimes the European acted with malice, but at other times it was done with a paternalistic mind set, which although noble in its endeavour was often a failure. Thinking people realise that these previous paternalistic approaches failed to give satisfactory outcomes for a reason, and its now time to take a different tack.

I demand a policy of medical cost responsibility for actions of stupidity.
I was sent a video yesterday, by a female friend who wanted to gross me out.
The video at first appeared to be a man having a colonoscopy, that is until the surgeon pulled out a 1 foot long cucumber out of his butt.

People work hard and pay their taxes, but they shouldn't have to pay for some gay guy who likes to cram things up his backside.
My housemates sister was a leading nurse at one of the cities leading hospitals, pre-covid.
(She left in relation to vaccine refusal)
She told my housemate this kind of thing is actually quite common.

Australians shouldn't have to go to work to pay for that.
- And this as well as many other stupid things is the reason why you have 8hr waits at hospital emergency departments, and why we will lose the medicare safety net for a basic standard of health to all citizens if things don't change.

- video available on request -

Tell me should Australians be expected to pay the costs of this woman's botched Brazilian butt-lift.

Having a big fat ass is neither appealing, nor something that other people should have to pay for, along the same lines is peoples sex-change operations, Aussies shouldn't have to foot the bill because people want to switch genders.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/it-s-so-scary-ella-was-hospitalised-after-cosmetic-surgery-went-horribly-wrong-20220817-p5baio.html

One of the defining features of fascism is the partnership between government and big business to order things to suit each and achieve what those groups think ought to be societal aims. NO I'm not saying this thing is fascist. But its closer to that style of government than is comfortable.

This is an attempt to have certain power centres impose an outcome on all others while purporting to be 'inclusive'.

Who will be there representing small business which need I remind is the biggest employer in the country? Who will be there representing sole traders? Who will be there representing non-unionised workers who are by far the largest proportion of workers?

As I've said previously, my hope is that the Libs will return to true liberal values following the upheaval of defeat. I doubt Dutton is the person for that. But his decision to avoid the trap of this corporatist convention is a positive sign.

Whatismore, the summit has zero chance of avoiding the tsunami headed our way and by not being part of the summit, Dutton will be able to appear more prescient in a year or so.

mhaze,

What we need is a fascists style Prime Minister who secretly tries to usurp total power for himself. Ring any bells for you?

"What we need is a fascists style Prime Minister who secretly tries to usurp total power"

Why do you think we need such a person?

Hundreds of Queensland teachers will have their pay cut as punishment for not getting vaccinated.

While the teachers are now allowed back in the classroom, the financial penalty will be felt for the next 18 weeks.

http://twitter.com/9NewsQueensland/status/1561989798176477184

If there is so much employment, what is the unemployment money saved spent on ?

Indy,

The unemployment money saved by the coalition is being spent on the jobs summit.

We now know how the Coalition reduced unemployment, by giving Fuhrer Morrison an extra half a dozen secret jobs. The money saved was invested by the Coalition in non existent car parks and other forms of pork barrelling.

BTW; what will Dud Dutton be doing while all others are at the two day 'Job and Skills' Summit?

Pauliar,

Now you are just lying again. Can you at least try not to be a liar and a fraud?

"what will Dud Dutton be doing while all others are at the two day 'Job and Skills' Summit?"

Perhaps he'll be talking to those who Albo et al believe don't warrant representation at the 'big boys' table. You know, people like small business owners. Small business is the largest generic employer in the country, but apparently won't get a seat. Perhaps their views would be...unhelpful.

Or people like non-unionised workers who make up the largest proportion of workers. They also won't be asked their views.

Somehow this is called being inclusive.

Don't kid yourself mhaze, you don't do that from Washington DC.
He's over there working on military agendas, that will turn a few generations of Australian men into emotionally broken, limbless war victims like the one's in Ukraine, in a war against our largest trading partner that he or his kids wont have to fight themselves.
Sad but true.

Dear Paul,

Labor's Jobs and Skills Summit is a positive step.
Of course solutions won't be found at the Jobs
Summit. It's not something that can be resolved
in a couple of days - but hopefully the Summit will
facilitate the establishment of a number of mechanisms
(formal and informal) that will guide reform in a number of
areas over the next years.

Things like raising productivity, improving skills and
training, having a labour force able to promote and
adapt industrial change, ensuring an adequate climate
and energy transition - female employment,
are all matters in which both business and labour can
benefit.

The government appears to be interested in a long
term plan - not short term theatrics. By inviting
unions, business and government to all look
for co-operation from each other over the long haul
is a good strategy. By encouraging all sides to
think outside the box and contribute to the
solutions are all matters in which as stated earlier -
both capital and labour can benefit.

It's a good step that the government is taking in
seeking views and encouraging further
engagement in issues.

Thank you for raising this topic for discussion.

Hi Foxy,

Anything that brings people, with sometimes opposing views such as employers and employees along with government together in positive dialog, can be nothing if not productive. Regardless of what side of the political divide people are on, anything that can give them the opportunity to see the others point of view and establish worthwhile relationships must be good.

I'm starting to believe David Littleproud, like Michael Michael McCormack before him, note I don't include Barnaby Joyce, are halfway decent politicians. I expected Adam Bandt to put his hand up to participate in this summit. Although Green MP's are strong willed and forceful, and many disagree with Greens policy, that's for sure, and that's politics, I can honestly say I've never met one who wanted to put party interest in front of the interest of people. In the case of Peter Dutton, by refusing an invite he is both isolating himself and his party from the broader electorate. A Federal election tomorrow would see this guy disappear up his own 'A' hole, that's for sure.

Dear Paul,

I am so pleased that the government wants all sides
to think outside the box and contribute to finding
solutions to our problems. That is what was promised
prior to their election - that negotiation would
be the encouraged way to govern. The politicians who
will insist in trying to just score political points
will be left by the wayside - as the last election
showed.

The time now is ripe for new approaches and working
together to achieve better results for us all.
We need long term plans - not short term theatrics.
And those who don't understand that do so at their own
political risk.

Foxy,

This "jobs" talkfest is very union-heavy and deeply set inside Labor's "box"

The chance of this talkfest actually creating jobs other than for union cronies is pretty much zero.

"I am so pleased that the government wants all sides to think outside the box and contribute "

Well all sides except small business (the largest employer by sector in the country) and non-unionised workers (by far the greatest number of workers). They are to be excluded. I suspect their views would be ....unhelpful.

New ideas, instead of being welcome for the opportunities
they open up for the improvement of the human lot, are
threats to those who have become comfortable in their
ideologies.

We need to be aware that on issues which require radical and
new approaches in finding solutions, they will always be seen by
some vested economic and political interests as a threat.
However times are changing - and the current government is
keeping the promises it made prior to its election.

The future looks promising.

"the current government is
keeping the promises it made prior to its election."

I don't recall it promising it was going to prioritise the interest of the unionised workers over those of the non-unionised.

Our Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese declared that he wanted
to bring the nation together. That he wanted to promote
unity and optimism not fear and division. And he has kept
his promise by his actions since coming into government.
The Jobs and Skills Summit, taking place 1-2 September
in Canberra is proof of that.

About 100 business, inion, and political leaders have accepted
the PM's invitation to attend the Summit. This includes Greens
Leader Adam Bandt. Nationals Leader - David Littleproud - joining
the PM at the table. Mr Peter Dutton could be the only major
party leader to not accept a seat at the table.

Perhaps he too believes in the mantra - "It's not my job!"
To contribute towards unity and optimism and bringing the
nation together? Perhaps his recollections of why his party
lost the election are also not quite accurate?

mhaze,

How would you propose small business and non union labour be represented. They choose not to organise themselves with representation, then it might be difficult to invite them along. The Liberal party claims to be the champion of small business and non-union labour, maybe Dutton could have tagged along and spoke for them. What do you say?

Hi Foxy,
"Our Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese declared that he wanted
to bring the nation together."

How's he going to achieve that exactly,
Multicultural-National-Socialism/Communism?
- They are going to get a lot more coercive and totalitarian in the next few years, the writings on the wall there already.
"That he wanted to promote unity and optimism not fear and division."
Saying he wants to achieve unity is a whole lot different to actually achieving it, pie in the sky during the age of identity politics I think.

And he has kept his promise by his actions since coming into government.
The Jobs and Skills Summit, taking place 1-2 September in Canberra is proof of that.

Labor Party put out a white paper on full employment in 1945, they never achieved that so why should now be any different?

"About 100 business, union, and political leaders have accepted
the PM's invitation to attend the Summit."

They're a band of weasels that will achieve little.
Big on hopes and dreams and poor on policies that would change anything.
All they will likely do is waste a heap of money and make things worse.

Paul,

There are any number of small business councils eg http://www.cosboa.org.au/

While there isn't an overriding non-unionised organisations, again there are plenty of organisations representing non-unionised labour to individual corporations.

These sectors aren't there because they aren't the focus of the government and can't be controlled.

The lazy stunt of more immigration will figure in the talkfest: they have already come up with a horrific figure of 200,000 per annum.

Politicians want more migrants to pay the tax bill. They don't care about skills: on average only about 27% of immigrants have any particular skills. Pressure from big business is relentless. The media helps out, banging on about worker shortages, day after day, week after week, when it is clear that there are enough people on the dole who are capable of working.

Businesses just want more people to put money in their coffers, no matter how that money is acquired: work or welfare.

The fact that a majority of Australians want fewer migrants means nothing. Both parties flagrantly ignore the public.

The population is now near enough to 26 million, with the Treasury reporting, gleefully, that it will be 38-40 million forty years from now. Three quarters of all growth contributed by immigration.

Politicians and bureaucrats have become handmaidens of Big Businesses. The will of the people and all of the negative evidence against high immigration are simply ignored.

Also ignored is the effect of high immigration on housing prices, rents and rental availability, congestion, infrastructure, services, social cohesion and environment.

There are small economic benefits - after a number of years; several decades before there is a higher per capita income and, even then, most of it accrues to the migrants themselves because of the time lapse.

There has been less permanent commitment to Australia from immigrants since the 1990s, with many flitting between countries. Families can be left in Australia while breadwinners work back in the old country.

As things stand in Australia, politicians and decision makers seem to be swayed more by businesses thirsty for cheap labour and new customers all the time, than they are swayed by their responsibility to maximise the welfare of citizens and permanent residents already here. More notice needs to be taken of GDP per head than overall GDP, not to mention overcrowding, lack of services and housing, just to name a few matters.

Hi Paul,

Did you happen to watch the "Insiders" program this
morning?

David Speers had an interesting panel. Phil Corey, Anna
Henderson, and Peter van Onselen. They discussed the
Jobs and Skiils Summit, the fallout from the secret
Morrison Ministries scandal, plus the Royal Commission
into the Robodebt scheme.

Well worth watching - if you missed it. It's on again this
evening at 8.00 pm on the ABC News Channel 24.

David Speers was also joined by Jennifer Westacott, Chief
Executive of the Business Council of Australia, and Sally
McManus, Secretary of the Australian Council of Trade Unions
(ACTU). It was very heart-warming to see how these two
powerful women agreed on so many things. And were able to
talk to, and listen to each other's viewpoints so respectfully.

I'm really looking forward to watching things develop in
the Summit as a result of people like these taking part.
To me this Summit has already succeeded.

It's pretty clear that the so-called jobs summit is no longer about jobs (after all with record low unemployment why hold a summit about it) but is instead a cover to massively increase immigration.

Of course they couldn't say that was the aim before the election since polls constantly show opposition to it. And they can't say it now because polls constantly show opposition to it. So they get all the nodding heads in one room to give it the tick and then they'll deflect criticism by saying it was decided by the summit.

And that's why those who have an independent view weren't invited. And its why Dutton was right to stay away

The Coalition has been calling for pensioners and
veterans to be allowed to work more before their
payments are reduced as a solution to labour shortages.
No surprises there.

And predictably - they are focusing on the increases
in immigration numbers instead of focusing positively
on what the increases
will achieve for the good of our nation.

Of course we're going to hear from Susan Ley, et al, the usual
baying. After a decade of messing up and losing the last
election. They're always quick to point the finger - but
join the conversation in trying to find solutions?
The mantra of "It's not my job!" again applies.
(sigh).

The Summit is a Labor election promise that aims to address
Australia's economic challenges and as stated earlier it
will bring together about 100 representatives from the
business, union, and community sectors.

The previous Coalition government has been responsible for
the economic conditions that Labor has been left with.
It is beginning to make sense as to why Peter Dutton
won't be attending. As Marles explained:

"The Summit needs to be talking about
how we can get wages going again in this country - which
has been really part of what's defined the last decade
under the former government. We have had record low wage
growth which underpins what has been insipid productivity
growth."

Congratulations to all willing to take part in the Summit.
Those who don't take part - will predictably continue to
bay and criticise. That's all they're capable of doing.
We should take them seriously and not elect them into
office - it makes sense - why give them something that's
"not their job?"

What's next on Labor's agenda?

Flood prevention in the Sahara?
How to ship coal to Newcastle?

The only thing that I am certain of is that no jobs will actually be created (other than catering to labor)

Talking about the Sahara?

To paraphrase economist Milton Friedman:

"If you put the Coalition government in charge of
the Sahara Desert in five years they'd be a shortage of
sand."

Talking about coal?

The Coalition realizes that coal is bad for the environment.
That's why they continue to just burn it off.

Treasure Chalmers, at least, has admitted that immigration is no substitute for training. Well said. But, we need to have the training underway now, replacing all the useless courses, leading nowhere, promoted by universities just to get money from taxpayers, which will never be repaid by 'students' with bits of paper that will never get them a job that will pay them enough to repay their loans,

Victorians will be heading for the polls shortly.
The results should prove interesting because today
we have even more division between parties.

However it remains
true, that in a time of disillusionment and distrust of
politicians our state governments provide electoral
choice, checks on federal government's power, and a large
array of services that many Australians think state governments
should provide.

I predict that the Andrews government will be re-elected.

"It will be something far worse: a Labor government seeking cover to re-regulate the labour market, empower trade unions and strip away the elasticity in the economy. The presence of business representatives at the summit is merely a gloss. Unless business leaders want to be seen as complicit in Anthony Albanese’s regressive agenda, they must be ready to walk away from the pre-prepared closing declarations.

Hope that Albanese would emulate Bob Hawke in anything other than beer-skolling died when he named Burke Employment Minister. Where Hawke encouraged individual businesses to strike local workplace deals, Burke wants to restore the one-size-fits-all approach where wages and conditions are decided across sectors. Where Hawke increased competition, Burke will reduce it by making it harder for small and medium businesses to survive.

Where Hawke worked with union and business leaders to link wages to productivity, Burke has no concern for such economic niceties. Burke thinks wages should be raised by regulation enforced by the FWC. He wants to change the industrial relations system to give unions greater bargaining power and crack down on a heinous crime he calls “wage theft”."

I predict the Andrews government will be re-elected
in Victoria and also that the Labor Jobs and Skills
Summit will produce some great results.

Putin's government is also likely to be re-elected. Nearly as corrupt as Dan Andrews government.

Putin would be better compared to Morrison's
government where the cabinet didn't know, parliament
didn't know and the public didn't know about his secret
ministerial powers.

AND even John Howard and Tony Abbott found his behaviour
"unusual, unorthodox, strange and sinister."

As for corruption in Victorian politics?

Hmmm. Lets talk about branch stacking of the
Victorian division of the Liberal Party just
for starters.

One of the Forums regular "know all's" claimed that SMALL BUSINESS would not be represented at the summit, well;

"In a joint statement, the Council of Small Business Organisations Australia (COSBOA) and the Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) on Monday said they will both champion updates to workplace relations at the September conference."

"Well all sides except SMALL BUSINESS (the largest employer by sector in the country) and non-unionised workers (by far the greatest number of workers). They are to be excluded. I suspect their views would be ....unhelpful."

Wrong again mhaze.

Foxy: Well if you're going to start with branch stacking then you've still got a long way to go. Branch stacking is NOT a crime*- it's just an internal matter of political parties. If you want to talk about real corruption thne perhaps you should move your starting point to something that is actually a crime.

*Branch stacking itself is not a crime, but there may be some real crimes committed to achieve the stacking (eg: forgery)

Branch stacking is against major party rules.
It inflates membership numbers and threatens
to delegitimise the democratic selection process.

Also it is illegal when false information is provided.
It can be prosecuted as fraud.

Hi thinkabit,

Is it a crime for a Federal Minister to encourage battlers to "invest" their retirement savings into a very questionable mining scheme, run by a bloke with a criminal record, and then see them lose everything. Just asking, what do you think, or should I ask Stewart Roberts?

BTW; Roberts has admitted he received benefit from such a mining scheme, whilst battlers lost everything. Roberts sold his shares just before the big crash, well, well, well.

Paul,

I think you have completely screwed up again. As far as I can see there is no reference to this at all and this is your usual lies.

Hi Paul,

There's a very large list of transgressions of
Stuart Robert on the web including his China trip,
and the mining company to which you refer. If I were
you I'd not bother replying to arguments that carry no
intellectual weight.

SM,

Still reading the Murdoch gutter press and not following the real news I see. Greywolf Mining + convicted con Edward Lancaster + sucker investors + Stewart Roberts = Possible SCAM!

Roberts has many unanswered question to what part he personally played in this affair. The fact is Roberts profited to some degree from a highly suspect "investment", whilst others lost their life savings. I expect more to come. Questions were asked in the Queensland Parliament about Greywolf's donations to the LNP. Interesting.

Put him in a 2m x 2m x 2m concrete box, with a steel door and 1 open window with bars on it, and let him live out his days there.
Cheap and easy.

Foxy,

I read that article as well, and there is nothing on SR doing what Pauliar claims. I do check.

I also ignore lying village idiots.

Another 35,000 EXTRA immigrants to be added to the strain on housing, infrastructure, health services and the environment.

Announced this morning, but decided well before the summit.

Oh, shadowminister is still here?

Hi Paul,

Home Affairs Minister Clare O'Neil and Immigration
Minister Andrew Giles have summed up the next
steps on migration and visa processing after
hearing from employers, and unions about the severe
labour shortages and the need for skilled foreign
workers.

There's a desperate need for healthcare workers, for
skills needed to build infrastructure and places
for technology sector workers.

Businesses are interested in sponsoring employees on
permanent visas, shifting the focus from temporary
to permanent migration and future citizenship.

The federal government is also committing to clearing
the visa application backlog.

Andrew Giles, Immigration Minister said:

"We want people to choose Australia and our
processes and policies must work together to
support that choice."

Childcare is also being discussed as are workers for
the agricultural sector and farmers.

So much to cover in a Summit that only goes for a couple
of days. However, when the cameras scanned the huge hall
in Canberra, it was most impressive to see the huge
amount of people in attendance. All there to contribute.
Makes you proud.

Hi Foxy,

The Summit has been highly successful with some good outcomes. Time will tell if those outcomes lead to practical benefit for the nation. The 35,000 increase in permanent migration is warranted in an attempt to help plug the skills shortage, but long term 180,000 TAFE training places will be of greater advantage.

All poor old Dud Dutton could do was stand on the sideline and engage in some of his now familiar negativity, and worker bashing.

Hi Paul,

We can see that the opposition still doesn't
get why they lost the last election and they keep
repeating their past mistakes. Alvin Toffler
once said words to to the effect that:
"The illiterate of the 21st Century
won't be the ones who can't read and write. They'll be
the ones who can't learn, unlearn, and re-learn."

SM,

Lets start with the 3cases of wine, and the expensive handbags given to Roberts from a grateful 'Greywolf', not disclosed as required on his parliamentary register until questions were asked. How was it Roberts was able to off load his family trust shareholding in 'Greywolf' before the crash, others were unable to do so. There are many more questions, including was any political pressure put on ASIC not to investigate.

Hey ttbn,
"Another 35,000 EXTRA immigrants to be added to the strain on housing, infrastructure, health services and the environment.

Announced this morning, but decided well before the summit."

It was never Labor's Jobs And Skills Summit in the first place;
It was the Business Community's Immigration Summit.

The tail's wagging the dog.
It wasn't Albo's idea, Albo just thought it was his idea.

AC

I can't fathom the BCA's motives, but they are too close to governments these days. I agree with those who say the whole thing will be a big win for unions, and that industrial relations are heading backwards for small business and 80% of workers who are not union members. The businesses employing most people cannot afford to pay more wages without more money coming in in the form of increased productivity, and that's not happening.

Far from emulating Bob Hawke, Albanese is apeing Kevin Rudd. I was pleasantly surprised by Dutton's comments and his refusal to be involved - unlike the ghastly Nationals leader. The summit will turn out to be a huge disappointment; we just don't have competent, sensible people in government any more, no matter what name they call themselves.

"we just don't have competent, sensible people in government any more,"

This comes from the guy who was backing Corny Banana as the new messiah, and when Corny failed he turned to the Fat Clive and Lovely Pauline for inspiration! Well, what can you say.

There was no 'summit', just a stunt with nothing that the government could not have decided on at any time since they were elected: increased immigration and an opportunity for pensioners to work, plus big rewards to the unions that put most of the ideas into their heads in the first place. A
'delayed announcement' of policies, as one commentator put it.

We can expect an increased militancy from unions, with all that entails for employers and employees and the economy, but not too many Age Pensioners wanting to work, or employers wanting to employ them. Suddenly, rampant ageism is going to disappear? I think not.

I am an Age Pensioner, and I know lots of others. I don’t know any who want to go back to work. And, we all know that we are not thought very highly of buy younger generations, particularly by the neo-Marxists now mismanaging Australia.

Hi Paul,

I continue to be amazed at how this poster manages
to pack all of that arrogance, self-entitlement,
negativity, and outmoded terminology, into his
posts. All I can say is - how efficient of him! (sarc).

With fewer Foxies & Paul1405's & more ttbn's Australia would again be the place everyone makes it out to be !

indyvidual,

Australia for most people has grown out of being
the cultural backwater that it once was.

Hi Foxy,

I find what he says as being very effluent of him. Imagine if all Australians were like these guys, old senile geriatrics, spending their day at the 'Shady Pines Retirement Home' waiting for Nursey to come around with their medication and change their incontinence pads, living off aged welfare, the treasury wouldn't be big enough. Perish the thought!

Australia for most people has grown out of being
the cultural backwater that it once was.
Foxy,
That backwater was that took us migrants in. Your grown-out of the backwater Australia is the one that now condemns those who built the Nation. Your grown out of the backwater Australia is hell-bent on ruining the efforts & sacrifice of those of the past. And, you & the likes of Paul are supporting this insidious movement ? I'm sorry but I feel grateful to the Australia of then. The Australia that didn't flinch when asked to do its share unlike the one of now that doesn't flinch when unashamedly demanding more for less !
What you call culture is nothing more than frivolous easy street rides paid for by those who are being looked down on by these 'cultured" !

Apparently there are still thousands of people not working because of employer mandates on Covid vaccines. The relevant employers are probably among the biggest whiners about worker shortages. Will these 200k immigrants coming each year be required to vaccinate? Who knows. Who knows what this Marxist government will do. They don't seem to.

Indyvidual,

I don't have the time nor the inclination to explain things
to you. Nor can I be held responsible for your interpretation
of what I post. All I can politely suggest is study the
basic history of this country. You just may learn something.
Or not. It's up to you to help yourself.

"Who knows what this Marxist government will do",

ttbn, if you believe the Labor government is Marxist, then you must believe the alternative, a Coalition government would be fascists.

A simple question, you throw a lot of negativity about, but you never say who you would prefer to be running Australia? A government led by Dutton, Palmer, Hanson, Bernardi, whom would you choose.

Pensioners are doing quite well under the current
government. They will get pension increases this
month plus they can get extra help with bills and
medicine costs through Pension Supplements. There's
no cause to complain. And if they want - they can even
go back to work to stop being bored. Or alternatively
they can volunteer for a worthwhile project in their
community. Like so many do.

Hi Foxy,

Pensioners always do better under Labor governments than Conservatives. Like with Medicare, Conservative woulds abolish or downgrade pensions in favour of private retirement provision, given half a chance, but like Medicare the old folks are too popular. One of the ironies is old people in the main vote Conservative.

Having said that, I believe we can do better for people in retirement than simply pay out "welfare" in the form of aged pensions. Unfortunately Australia made too many mistakes with national superannuation, and its going to take years more before any such scheme could replace the aged pension completely. Many Greens like myself are not great fans of direct welfare, but we see it as absolutely necessary to sustain people at times. Most prefer work to welfare, but if there is no work, or circumstances prevents one from working, then people have to be supported, no question.

p/s You may have read my years of "Seniors National Service" and now I have invented a place called 'Sunny Gulag' located in Siberia for the old folks to chuff off to. Well what can I say, just laugh.

Paul,

The reason older people vote conservative is that they realise that their savings and investments do better under them than Labor.

So why did the Coalition lose the last election
and the then treasurer Josh Frydenberg get tossed out?

Because the yobbos do much better under Labor, & there are more yobbos than pensioners. Labor are about to import a great bunch of them to shore up their vote.

Then of course there are the teals who are stupid enough to believe the global warming scam, or smart enough to profit from it.

God help us.

Paulnazi,

Considering that Labor loves having "summits" from which nothing of any use appears.

So far all we are hearing is what the unions want which means that business attendees are essentially there only to lend some legitimacy.

Oh ye of little faith.

Why the negativity when the current government has
only been in power for such a short time. Why not
take a serious look as to the reasons the Coalition were
kicked out?

Give the current government a chance. They just may
surprise us all.

Foxy,

My faith is strong that zero outcomes of endless Labor summits will be repeated.

My worry is that the heavy union presence will ensure that union-friendly job-destroying policies will eventuate.

Like his man Dutton, SM hates ordinary Australian's, and like the coward and founder of the Liberal Party 'Pig Iron' Bob he believes in 10% unemployed, oppression of women in the work force as cheap labour, and starvation wages for the majority. Of course non of that should apply to himself in his menial employment.

For 10 years, with zero rejections, a 'golden ticket' visa has operated in Australia. More than 7,000 Chinese have been approved for the Significant Investor Visa Scheme, requiring an investment of $5 million minimum. It comes with AUTOMATIC right to permanent residency, without the requirement to speak or learn English.

There are now calls to have this disgrace shut down,

A good opportunity for Albanese to 'go to air' on a piece of ScoMo corruption.

Pauliar,

Once again you are posting lies. There is no evidence whatsoever that Menzies wanted a 10% unemployment level.

However, the craven wimps in the gangreen party intend to reach this 10% unemployed with their policies to close coal mining and gas production.