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Much has been said, and reported on the early days of the new Albanese Labor Government. No one can deny the new government has not been quick off the mark in taking action from day one. There has been a flurry of activity from Labor, not just from Albanese, but from his ministers as well. My question is; Where is the Opposition? After the 2019 election Labor quickly settled on Albanese as leader, and just as quickly took the fight to the Morrison government. Unfortunately after the May 2022 election and the appointment of Peter Dutton as Opposition leader he and others on the conservative side immediately took long holidays. or went into hibernation. So far "those opposite" have did little or nothing to take the fight to the government. Take for instance the '43% Climate Target Bill', if it was not for the Greens and teal independents to fight for minor amendments the bill would have simply passed without much scrutiny. Other than a "no" vote bar one, the Coalition offered nothing. So far Dutton has been ineffectual, and his front bench lacklustre. If it was a football match, one would say the Opposition has let the Government in for a couple of easy tries in the first 10 minutes. Me thinks Captain Pete might be pulled out of the game before half time, due to poor performance.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 5 August 2022 6:44:54 AM
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That's just so typical of the non-contributors' mentality, opposition for opposition's sake !
Posted by Indyvidual, Friday, 5 August 2022 8:25:30 AM
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Dear Paul,

The past government was devoid of vision, planning and awareness. When Morrison was asked about priorities he responded, 'jobs, jobs & more jobs.' As though there were no other concerns. Of course when it was suggested that the minimum wage that would only affect the the lowest paid workers be raised he raised the spectre of inflation. It became clear that 'jobs, jobs and more jobs' should be at starvation wages. This, as expressed by Morrison, were the priorities of government. Dutton now leads the opposition. Is it fair to expect more from him? A party that stood for nothing except seeing that fat cats maintain their girth is now in the political wilderness. That seems to be where they belong.
Posted by david f, Friday, 5 August 2022 8:50:13 AM
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Yes. It seems as though the Opposition intends to be weak, with idiots like Senator Birmingham still thinking that the Coalition has to out-idiot the Socialists on weather voodoo to regain office. The twat should be on the bottom of the ticket at the next election. The Laughable Liberals got rid of Amanda Stoker (an actual asset to them) that way; Birmingham now needs to be given the bums rush, quick smart.

Dutton looks like being a fizzer, a la Perrottet in NSW, who was supposed to be 'real' conservative. "Questioning" the Socialists on emissions and details of the racists Voice when he should be opposing both things vigorously.

Dutton will find himself renamed as Dud 'un.

You must be pretty pleased to see the Liberals folding, Paul. Looks like I'll be going back to 'none of these' at the next election. Australia is well and truly rooted.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 5 August 2022 9:12:48 AM
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ttbn,
Agree %100
I am so disappointed with myself having thought Morrison would turn out alright, I copped personal set-backs from Morrison's Govt & manned by a Labor cronies Public service !
I think that both sides are suffering from Australian education-indoctrinated politicians.
Posted by Indyvidual, Friday, 5 August 2022 11:03:08 AM
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Indyvidual

Yes mate. It's certainly disappointing, and I feel disenfranchised more than ever. I got laughed at by our pal Paul for voting One Nation and UAP this time, but I don't think I'll even bother doing that again; with the unwillingness of the average Australian voter to take politics and the country's future seriously - to try something different - it's a waste of time.

I think the penalty for not voting and being responsible for the same idiots year after year is only $20. But it might still be worthwhile voting in the Senate.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 5 August 2022 11:34:49 AM
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One commentator this morning said that the new bunch of ratbags posing as representatives of the people have already cheapened the Parliament. The not so new Thorpe woman. Monique Ryan barking, "Put ya masks on"! across the chamber. Pocock bringing in his own hand-signaller to deaf people for his speech. How many deaf people attend Parliament to 'listen' to speeches? Wouldn't those at home have captions on their TVs?

Then there was a baby brought in!

And, shock horror, one new MP wasn’t wearing a tie. And some idiot wanted to debate the dress code until shut down by the Speaker.

And this is the best we have in the country to vote for? No thanks.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 5 August 2022 12:08:32 PM
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"Oh! the pain of it all", says one old bloke to another down at The Shady Pines Retirement Home for Old Farts ...."I voted for Corny Banana back in 19, and he let me down, then I voted for the Horrible Hanson in 22, she failed me as well, I even through in a vote for bloody Fat Clive, helped him out with his 80 million as well, another no result, where is that fat b@#$%!&d NOW!...Be a good chap and pass me another "Doze Ezy', me thinks its time for me nana nap!"

....."When you voted in 19 and 22, what century was that, old cock?"
....."Not sure, I think it was the nineteenth, Jesus, pass me those 'Doze Ezy's, I sure need a bottle, you're as useless as the rest of em".
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 5 August 2022 2:29:45 PM
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Is this the best we have?

Is a very relevant question indeed regarding
our political parties and their leaders.

The voters have made their feelings loud and clear
at the last election. We can only hope that things will
be different with this new mob. They've certainly hit the
ground running and have already managed to pass a bill
that they'd promised.

But looking at is this the best we have?

What about Pauline Hanson angrily storming out of the
Senate during the opening acknowledgement of country
paying respect to elders past and present by interjecting
and yelling -

"No, I won't and never will!" before storming out of the
chamber in a huff.

Is this the best we have?

Seriously?
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 5 August 2022 2:36:18 PM
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Oink, Oink!
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 5 August 2022 2:39:17 PM
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Paul

You really are a deeply unpleasant person. Or you are mentally disturbed. Or you are drunk all the time. But, I suppose you've got what it takes to be a Green.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 5 August 2022 2:55:33 PM
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Well all politicians are the same and are at their best when going on holiday where they do not disturb our lives, so why shouldn't the rest of them take holidays too?!

The main entertainment in Afghanistan is to watch rooster fights, while in Australia they use humans instead, paying huge salaries and other perks to see them cursing and abusing each other in parliament. Suddenly the losing team has gone off the field and some spectators feel bored, empty and cheated for seeing no blood...

They can all do us a favour by savings on power bills in Parliament House!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 5 August 2022 3:20:26 PM
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Dear Paul,

There are too many people boiling with hate and resentment.
It is alarming. I was so pleased when our current PM
said he was prepared to negotiate - to do what was right
for the country. I'm hoping that he will get support from
the other politicians and all of them will unite and together
will be able to achieve a great deal for the good of
us all.

It should not matter who thinks up good ideas - if they are
good ideas - they should be supported regardless of who
suggested them. That's how politics should work.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 5 August 2022 3:42:03 PM
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In reverse,

Yuyutsu, Just as not all plumbers are the same. I've known many politicians from both sides, state and federal, and they are not all the same, they are not a homogeneous lot, we should not be so cynical towards them. There are many genuine people who enter politics for the right reasons.

ttbn, steady on old chap, you're not happy. Nothing is so serious that a bit of humour won't fix. I know as an old conservative you're rather dour when it comes to politics, as most true conservatives are, and as Andrew Peacock would say in his sternest of voice; "This..is..a..very..serious..MATTER!" so Andy thought. There are big issues afoot in little old Australia, not the least the one the opposition has already got its teeth into, I expect an announcement on the matter from Constable Clod any day now, all is explained in the following link;

http://thetierack.com.au/

Foxy, The Horrible Hanson is in a world of her own, best to leave her there.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 5 August 2022 4:04:56 PM
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Dear Paul,

You're right, the woman can't possibly realize how ugly
her behaviour is. She is to be pitied.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 5 August 2022 4:21:25 PM
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Hi Foxy,

In a true democracy an effective opposition is almost as necessary as an effective government. What I've seen so far is the government is making all the running, and the supposed opposition is looking less than mediocre. Will Dutton be hamstrung on many issues, due to internal factionalism within the Coalition parties. If it continues, and I expect it will, Dutton will be lucky to last 18 months.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 5 August 2022 4:35:09 PM
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Whenever a party, long in power, loses power they always take a while to recalibrate. The party will have internal reviews as to the cause of the loss and a full re-evaluation of past policies.

With a large percentage of Reps and Senators gone, the dynamics of the party room will have changed and that will also take time to bed down.

Its not the roll of the opposition to fix government policy. The Labs have had years to work out what they'd do in government, yet Paul seems upset that the Libs aren't helping the Labs get it right.

The first year of a new government is almost always theirs's. The opposition is best to just keep their head down and start to work on policies and philosophies they will adopt once the inevitable honeymoon period passes.

Again, it is my hope that the Libs will realise that they need to return to core values and jettison the Turnbull/Morrison era. But we'll wait to see.

As I said before the election, the economic winds are not favourable to the new government. For the time being they can blame it all on the Libs and that'll hold. But in a year? The RBA are increasingly talking down the economic fortunes of the country. All the feel good stuff about hearing Voices and 43% and the like will be forgotten when inflation gets to 8% and real wages fall by 5% and unemployment starts rising and mortgage rates get to 5% and recession beckons.

Then we'll talk about where the opposition is.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 5 August 2022 4:50:14 PM
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Dear Paul,

«There are many genuine people who enter politics for the right reasons.»

Indeed - they remain genuine until they actually get elected and corrupted.

They all essentially believe in the same - in the rule and control of the state over the good people of the land. They also believe in one big Australia stretching 1000's of kilometers, this whole continent helplessly ruled by bureaucrats from the village of Canberra. And they believe that what they cannot get by agreement, they will obtain by threats and force, through their police.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 5 August 2022 4:50:54 PM
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When John Woodley was a senator representing the Australian Democrats I was an advisor to him on military affairs. To the best of my knowledge he was neither corrupt nor power hungry. He served his term, was well-informed and seemed to perform to the best of his ability. He earned his stipend.
Posted by david f, Friday, 5 August 2022 5:53:31 PM
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Dear Paul,

An article in The Sydney Morning Herald confirms what
many of us already know. That Peter Dutton's going to have
to heal not only a divided party and a divided Coalition
but he's also going to have to create a new persona for
himself as the leader of the party for the Australian
public.

Can he do all this? He's the first Queenslander to lead
the party and the first leader since 1995 not from Sydney.
We're told that in the Liberal Party if the leader is not
from the right they struggle. (Malcolm Turnbull, John
Hewson). At least Dutton's got that going for him.
Also our PM has said that he got along better with Dutton
than Scott Morrison.

Dutton's got a monumental task ahead of him. To reset the
public's perception of him (Can he soften his image?)
and unite the party at the same time?

We're told that Dutton's going to have to decide which
of the government's agenda to support and which to
oppose.

His party's approach to Labor's climate policy will be
interesting.

We all know that the domestic and global economic conditions
are going to be difficult for the government for the next
3 years - but according to the article the odds are
against Peter Dutton winning the Prime Ministership in 2025.

http://smh.com.au/politics/federal/odds-against-remade-dutton-as-coalition-faces-three-difficult-years-20220526-p5aous.html
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 5 August 2022 8:15:57 PM
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Hi Foxy,

"Peter Dutton's going to have to heal not only a divided party and a divided Coalition but he's also going to have to create a new persona for himself as the leader of the party for the Australian public."

We must not forget Dutton was one of the main agitators within the Liberal Party that undermined Turnbull's leadership, giving us Morrison. He may attempt to create a new persona as a moderate, but it will be a false persona, the guy has always presented as an arch-conservative favouring division over consensus. Not an ideal leader, and certainly not PM material.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 8 August 2022 5:56:53 AM
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