Former Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has removed the term "birthing parent" from certain medical forms after a public outcry and replacing it with "mother".

I find the terms 'birthing parent' and 'mother' highly impersonal. People should be able to select whatever term they want to be put on a form that is truly reflective of themselves. The terms "birthing parent" and "mother" are not inclusive as a result.

No word or words can truly describe your circumstances as a person. You are being forced to accept something that is not reflective of you.

A person may feel words put on a medical form can truly describe themselves. Why should someone be forced into something they don't want? My name does not truly reflect who I am, it is a generic term given to me by my parents (with no meaning to me), so I don't use it often - only when required.

There is so much more to people than words - it's our actions that make the difference!

The term birthing person is as ridiculous as chest feeding which is supposed to accommodate transexual females. But it puts all mothers as questionable biological gender.

The title should have read, "Bill Shorten removes the term birthing parent" from medical forms

Our economy isn't that good to waste time with such moronic frivolities !
Get families into homes & make bureaucrats accountable !

Well done Bill Shorten.

Bill just went up in my estimation.

I echo ttbn’s sentiments.

"Mother" is the correct term.

I have to agree, not something of any great concern in the broad scheme of things. Maybe the day will come when newly hatched humans, their birthing parent will be a test tube, until then nothing to worry ourselves with.

In my wife's culture having children named after you, refereed to as a "name sake", is a great honour. The protocol is for the mother or her mother to approach the person and ask permission to use their name. Such children are considered extra special by the named. My wife has seven or eight such girls.

In Cook Island custom, children often end up with a very long name, as protocol dictates the inclusion of the first name of at least the two grandmothers/grandfathers and the names of some aunties and uncles as well.

Unsurprisingly, disloyal dimwit and Australian flag-hater, Adam Bandt has taken issue with Bill Shorten's admirable support for women to be called mothers with this tweet:

"As leaders we have a duty to do the right thing despite culture warrior tabloids. “Birthing parent” includes LGBTQ+ people. It does not exclude anyone. I strongly encourage @billshortenmp to consult widely and reconsider this intervention."

Bandt is the one who needs to "consult widely".

ttbn, who was in government when this form was drawn up, I would suggest it was the Coalition. If you were pregnant and wanted to be refereed to as the "Birthing Parent", so be it, if you want "Mother" so be that. BUT no one should expect every form in every government department to be worded to accommodate every sensibility in society.

A far bigger issue for me is the right of gay people to have or adopt children. On that subject our niece and her partner in NZ have adopted 5 "whanau children", (that's children from within the extended family) over the past 10 years. They have proven to be excellent parents, providing the love and care those kids would never have got from their "mother" or "birthing parent".

Forgot to mention the silliness of Herr Bandt’s 'inclusion' comments. No matter what the alphabet mob does or thinks in their spare time, only a woman, a mother, can bear a child, and only a man, a father, can do the impregnating.

The slight improvement in their vote has sent the Greens even madder, and the depth of their madness will become more and more apparent over the next three years

Shorten has indicated that he will not tolerate extreme nonsense. Albanese has warned the Greens about their extreme emissions waffle (his own is extreme enough).

Given there is very little difference between the government and the opposition these days, it shouldn't be hard for Labor to make a few concessions and produce legislation that the Coalition and the less screwy members of the cross bench wouldn't find too hard to swallow; the lunatics could be frozen out.

Australia is heading down a very dangerous road, and this is the time for mainstream politicians to work together more than they usually do. Get rid of the Green Blight, once and for all.

The word “mother” has been in use for thousands of years, in many languages…

Suddenly it’s wrong, those who oppose its use are out of touch with humanity.

"Those who oppose it ..... " are nutters and really dangerous to society.

There is a saying "go woke go broke"

Putting twaddle like "birthing parent" on birth certificates is a sure-fire vote loser. No poly is brave enough to do that.

The latest bit of wankery is 'gender' activists calling on anthropologists to stop identifying human remains as male or female. This is not a joke.

The term "birth parent" refers to the biological parent (male or female/father or mother) of a child.

There are some possible variations, such as adopters, surrogates and in-vitro donors but is likely only a legal definition and I can't really see it's importance in society today.

This is about not offending women who identify as men and who give birth and go bat-shite-crazy if you call them women or mothers, (because they 'identify' as men)
I'm sick of all this ridiculousness, I accept biological gender, none of us get to choose what we ware born with.

I WILL NOT BOW DOWN TO ACCOMMODATE OTHER PEOPLES SICK MENTAL PROBLEMS.

Talk about lunatics running the asylum, this IS the definition of it.

Hi AC,

Its all explained in the following YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c

A happy start to my week was ensured by a quip from a commentator on Bandt’s activities as a sperm donor.

An appropriate calling for Bandt it was said, because sperm donation requires onanism.

Dear X (formerly known as NathanJ). The name your parents gave you is not a 'generic' name, even though it is not unique to you.

Generic names have been used for children, but are not common today. An example was the use of Primus, Secundus and Tertius as names. These are the Latin words for First, Second and Third. These are truly generic names because they were bestowed purely on the basis of birth order and could be so used, generically, by any family.

We look forward to your announcement of your own new unique nomenclature.

Adam (bum) Bandit is a typical virtue signalling tosser. Because there are a handful of trans men that have given birth fwits (like Adam) want to screw over women by wiping them out of the English language.

Maybe it is because Adam is transitioning to a man?

"commentator", pray tell ttbn who was this commentator of yours, another far right ratbag from the Murdoch gutter press, or worse. Don't be bashful, give it a name.

This is a storm in a tea cup. No one prevented women referring to themselves as they chose, in fact all of this is about letting people choose how they are referred to, in the first instance.

He's stopped one program from trying to address this, which I think was a bad move, but it's not major in any way

Hi Paul1405,
Yeah that was pretty funny.
I got a good laugh out of it.

The issue is, only crazy bigots will be thrilled by this. Who is he trying to play to?

Males can't give birth.
Next we'll be accusing women of toxic masculinity.
Can anyone tell me where this circus charade fantasyland ends?

Next they'll be trying to convince me females are perfectly capable of actually growing their own scrotums and testicles.
Anyone who entertains this crap has lost touch with reality and needs their head checked.

"Males can't give birth.
Next we'll be accusing women of toxic masculinity.
Can anyone tell me where this circus charade fantasyland ends?

Next they'll be trying to convince me females are perfectly capable of actually growing their own scrotums and testicles.
Anyone who entertains this crap has lost touch with reality and needs their head checked."

No one is suggesting any of these things. Older people are just lost and confused.

Science knows how people are born trans. We know it's real

We know for sure you can't talk someone out of being trans

Some of us are trying to make life better for trans folks and some are upset that it challenges their (wrong) ideas about the gender binary.

Mothers is female, get used to it.

"Mothers is female, get used to it."

The sex of every mother is female, no one suggested otherwise. Sex is not gender. Hospitals should certainly be places where everyone feels safe and accepted

Sex is gender in English, you have to go to French for the funnies and even in that lovely language ‘mother’ ‘woman’ ‘girl’ are feminine gender and ‘father’ ‘man’ and ‘boy’ are masculine gender, the gender benders have no place in English.

Can anyone tell me why this does anything to make Australia better?

"Science knows how people are born trans. We know it's real"

Yes and the world is flat... [rolls eyes]

Since when was 'trans' a gender based on biology realities?
Theres X and Y Chromosones, that's all.
XX = female XY = male

You're trying to rewrite the medical textbooks by proposing there's now some new mythical 'Z' chromosone when there isn't, based upon confused individuals feelings.

If you're born a male and you don't like being a male, go ahead take testosterone blockers, wear a bloody dress for all I care, shave your legs, cut your bits off with a stanley knife and call yourself Loretta,
I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR 'CHOSEN' IDENTITY.
I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR SEXUALITY OR WHAT GOES ON IN YOUR BEDROOM EITHER.

But stop trying to force others into going along with your mental health problems in that you BELIEVE that you ACTUALLY ARE a woman, WHEN YOU ARE NOT.

I will never bow down to, or accommodate others mental health issues, when it comes to confused beliefs regarding gender.
You'll all have to wait until I'm dead before you get full consensus on this trail of madness
- Because you're never going to get me to entertain it.
They took something that was funny and a joke on Monty Python;
- And tried to make it real life reality, well I'm not buying into the scrambled eggs mental logic.
NOT NOW, and NOT EVER

I DON'T GIVE A F* ABOUT YOUR LIFE (explicit lyrics)
http://youtu.be/9cdq9pNkH6E

There are families struggling to make ends meet & there are morons who have nothing better to do than waffle on about some whatevers ?
Send them to work, that'll take their feeble minds off things !

Apparently I can only reply 20 times in a day, so I'll need to try to cover it all in one go. AND there's a word limit. Jesus.

"Science knows how people are born trans. We know it's real"

Yes and the world is flat... [rolls eyes]"

that you don't follow science is irrelevant. We know that people are born trans and how it happens.

"Since when was 'trans' a gender?
Theres X and Y Chromosones, that's all."

Actually that isn't remotely true. What you learned in high school in 1955 turns out to not be the extent of all science.

"You're trying to rewrite the medical textbooks based upon confused individuals feelings."

I will reiterate, some people know they are trans, there's no way to change how they feel, and science knows how it happens. I didn't propose what you suggested, you are merely crying because you are confused.

"If you're born a male and you don't like being a male, go ahead
I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR 'CHOSEN' IDENTITY.
I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR SEXUALITY OR WHAT GOES ON IN YOUR BEDROOM EITHER."

And yet, here you are crying about it. Trans has nothing to do with sexuality

"But stop trying to force others into going along with your mental health problems in that you BELIEVE that you ACTUALLY ARE a woman, WHEN YOU ARE NOT."

DSM5, not crazed boomers, defines what is a mental illness. No one is forcing you to do anything, mate. The question is, why do you need to force YOUR ideas of people's gender on to them? Why are you so upset that you can't imagine being kind to people?

"I will never accommodate others mental health issues.
You'll all have to wait until I'm dead
you're never going to get me to entertain it."

You are allowed to be nasty and hateful. Don't be surprised if people don't react well to your lack of civility and manners

"I'm not buying into the scrambled eggs mental logic.
NOT NOW, and NOT EVER"

No, trans people always existed. It's part of the human condition

The Voice of Reason indeed!

So the kangaroo says to the emu,
Inside I'm actually an emu, I don't want to be referred to as a kangaroo any more.
So what now all the wildlife officers have to accept that change.
"Don't ever refer to that kangaroo as a kangaroo, he gets deeply offended.
He will yell and scream at you that you have 'no idea what your talking about'.

Somehow, you want me to believe that the kangaroo, not only identifies as an emu, but ACTUALLY IS an EMU.
You want me to look at the kangaroo, and without even thinking about it register in my mind that this particular kangaroo, is actually an emu.
"Fine looking emu you got there mate"
'Yer thanks mate, he's a fine lookin specimen, but he's got strange mannerisms, he hops around all the time just like a damn kangaroo, can you believe it!?

Do you know how backwards and retarded the crap is you're trying to sell?

That a man born with dick and balls, can somehow ALSO be a genuine woman with ovaries and a womb as well, and has the ability to alternate at will?

Do you understand the nature of just how screwed up this whole thing is you're entertaining?

None of us get to choose.

If you a born a man, but you think and feel that you are a woman.
That doesn't mean the rest of us will automatically recognise you as a woman, even if you wear a dress and put makeup on.

I just see a man in a dress wearing makeup, not an actual real woman.
And you can't convince me otherwise, even if you chop his bits off.
- Then he'd be a mutilated man in a dress wearing makeup.

Be who want to be and sleep with whoever you want, I don't care.
But don't expect me to look at a man in a dress and somehow automatically think that my mind will register what I see as a woman.

It's not my job to entertain every strange thought process going on in other peoples heads

"*snip ignorant boomer nonsense - emu and kangaroo are species, not genders*

That a man born with dick and balls, can somehow ALSO be a genuine woman with ovaries and a womb as well, and has the ability to alternate at will?"

No one said trans women have ovaries. In the modern world, women are people, not just objects to breed with

"Do you understand the nature of just how screwed up this whole thing is you're entertaining?"

I understand both the science and the lived experience, you seem not to

"None of us get to choose."

Correct - people are born trans

*snip more boomer nonsense*

"It's not my job to entertain every strange thought process going on in other peoples heads"

Again, we're discussing your refusal to be kind to people. That you are fundamentally not a nice person is clear. But did you really think we'd just let you try to hurt our kids?

AC,

Don't knock yourself out over these nutters who will always think what they think, no matter how stupid their thoughts are.

We know that a woman is an adult female human being, even if these poor fools don't.

We can tell man from a woman just by looking at them, including those pitiful creatures who doll themselves up to look the way they "feel". The fools can't, apparently; or, they are too frightened to go against the the loud mob.

People think in herds; they go mad in herds, and they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.

I will clearly run out of replies but I will answer this ignorant drivel

*snip some boomer nonsense*

"We can tell man from a woman just by looking at them, including those pitiful creatures who doll themselves up to look the way they "feel". The fools can't, apparently; or, they are too frightened to go against the the loud mob."

No, you just think you can. The biggest fallout from this is 'butch' looking women being harassed when they want to pee.

"People think in herds; they go mad in herds, and they only recover their senses slowly, one by one."

The science tells us kids are trans, we know we can't change how they feel. Those kids are getting support and help, in fact a handful of regressive old people who refuse to learn are having precisely zero effect on society. Either way, trans kids are getting support and help. You're just making your grandkids hate you

"The question is, why do you need to force YOUR ideas of people's gender on to them? Why are you so upset that you can't imagine being kind to people?"

I'm not forcing madness on anyone, that's actually what the other side is trying to. And I'm not upset, I don't care about these peoples chosen gender if they wanna cut their bits off I'll go to Bunnings and Linkcraft and buy them the garden spins and the needle and thread to do it. Go right ahead mate I don't care, just don't kid yourself into thinking I will look at a man in a dress and think its a woman. It's crazy leaps of logic and not an argument that holds any merit.

Then you gotta attack me.
"You're being mean, you're being nasty and hateful",
So then it's not about the subject in question anymore, you want to change things and make it about me and my attitude so you can attack me, I'm mean.
"You're so mean, Why can't you just be nice a kind to people
Why can't you just be brainwashed into believing a man born with dick and balls can be a woman with overaies and a womb and give birth too, Why Waaahhh Waaaah"
It's not really about anything that's real, its just about our feelings, Don't hurt the weirdos feelings, Waaaah.

It's not a REEEAL woman ok, its ACTUALLY a man in a dress.
- Did you not pick it? You couldn't tell?

Well I hope for your sake you don't ever pick someone up at the pub and get home and find they've got the wrong bits, Lol.

Might need something to cauterize the wound as well, I think
You think I'm against trans people.
I'll encourage them to do it.
"Well you've always been a little different, maybe you never really were a man inside, you've already felt different inside yourself hey - I think you should go ahead with the surgery"

I don't care what you identify as
Or about your gender or sexuality.

But a man in a dress is not a woman.
Its just a man in a dress.

I could maybe call him 'her' or 'she' merely as a token gesture to placate their feelings...
But that's all it can ever be, because deep down I know that it's actually a 'he'.

"I'm not forcing madness on anyone, that's actually what the other side is trying to."

To reiterate, science knows how people are born trans and experience tells us the things we're doing help those people live happy lives. Nothing is being forced on you, you are just incapable of kindness.

"Go right ahead mate I don't care, just don't kid yourself into thinking I will look at a man in a dress and think its a woman. It's crazy leaps of logic and not an argument that holds any merit."

What you think is irrelevant. You could still not be a jerk

Trans women don't try to pick up at the pub and leave their penis as a surprise. It would, apart from anything else, not be a safe thing to do

Most trans people do not have gender surgery because it's not about sex

So, again, the facts are that we know people are born trans, we know how, we know how to help them, and you insisting that you will be cruel if you meet them, makes people hate you and not them

A man in a dress, if he has not had surgery to remove it, will have an ‘Adam’s apple’.
It’s a dead cert giveaway.

"A man in a dress, if he has not had surgery to remove it, will have an ‘Adam’s apple’.
It’s a dead cert giveaway."

This is nonsense. Some men don't have one prominently and I'll bet some women look like they do, if you're looking at people's necks to imagine their genitals

All this fuss and shouting about sexual dysphoria, which is suffered by a mere twelve hundred people in Australia - 0.0048% of the population - but which gets more coverage than all the actually important matters put together. The media has to bear a lot of the blame, beating up rubbish that most people just don't care about. Let these sad people think of themselves however they want; call themselves whatever they want; ruin their bodies with surgery and drugs trying be something that they are not. But, don't expect everyone else to go along with their bizzare behaviour, or give a damn about them.

"No one said trans women have ovaries. In the modern world, women are people, not just objects to breed with."

But actual women can't be mothers and breast feeding is banned.
It's 'birthing parent' and 'chest-feeding'.
Can't have the trans women getting upset.

Well I've said my bit, I don't care.

Oh and how dare you mis-generation me - Waaaahhh Waaaah
Stop calling me a Boomer!
I'm a Gen X and you don't respect my generation.
Quick where's the safe space and my stress balls and bubble wrap
Someone bring me a ventilator, I'm having hot flushes and feeling nausea...

You know if you care so much, you can always dress in drag, and go read some pervert kids books for drag queen story hour,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy7Oj4fSzuI
- Maybe screw their confused minds up a bit more.
The government might even subsidise you...

"But actual women can't be mothers and breast feeding is banned.
It's 'birthing parent' and 'chest-feeding'.
Can't have the trans women getting upset."

Nothing is banned. You can say what you want. All of this is bizarre fantasy.

It's interesting to me because I am genx and so many of my generation have no clue what's going on and no capacity for decenc

Being trans is not gender dysphoria. Dumb bigots pretend they are the same thing because gender dysphoria is a mental illness and being trans is not

At the core you're obsessed with the genitals of strangers, and surely on a watch list??!

It's all crap, here's a tranny freakout
- Demands the world recognise it as a REAL woman

It's Maam!, Stop calling me a man, I want your corporate number
http://youtu.be/RJHctyXPmkg

N.J. trans prisoner who impregnated 2 inmates transferred to men's facility
http://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/nj-trans-prisoner-impregnated-2-inmates-transferred-mens-facility-rcna38947

We've gotta respect the feelings of grown men to decide they're women or they'll spack out like 4yo children,
- but they don't have any problems being men and putting their penises in vaginas when it suits them...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10968271/How-NHS-language-going-woke-quietly-scrubbing-women-inclusive-advice-pages.html
"Chestfeeding' instead of breastfeeding and asking men if they are pregnant before getting a scan are just two ways NHS language has gone woke recently.
Health Secretary Sajid Javid has promised to reverse gender neutral language in the NHS, following a string of MailOnline revelations — including one yesterday that revealed midwives were being told sex was 'assigned' at birth.
This month it was revealed the NHS's online guidance about the menopause had the terms 'women' and 'woman' removed.
In total six mentions of 'women' and 'woman' have been scrubbed from the page."

Why all these changes one might ask?
Because people like that thing above, want to believe they're real woman complete with the ability to have periods, produce breast milk, have babies and endure menopause.

- I keep telling you, I just see a man in a dress XY chromosone -

And yes it is banned.
Corporate bosses sit around in boardrooms and Zoom meetings discussing the issues and making changes in the workplace that could result in you being fired, because they're petrified of legal repercussions such as being sued.
I know because people who've been in these meetings tell me about it.
If you outlaw it in a workplace, you can claim a fake consensus and say it's the norm.

*snip some boomer BS* The world is full of criminals. Some may well be trans. Irrelevant

"Why all these changes one might ask?
Because people like that thing above, want to believe they're real woman complete with the ability to have periods, produce breast milk, have babies and endure menopause."

No, you are just confused and old. None of your links prove that because no one thinks that.

"- I keep telling you, I just see a man in a dress XY chromosone -"

You have no manners. We established that. Sure.

"And yes it is banned.
Corporate bosses sit around in boardrooms and Zoom meetings discussing the issues and making changes in the workplace that could result in you being fired, because they're petrified of legal repercussions such as being sued.
I know because people who've been in these meetings tell me about it.
If you outlaw it in a workplace, you can claim a fake consensus and say it's the norm."

Workplaces can do what they like. That's not a law. That's not a ban. Frankly, if I sexually harassed women in my workplace, I'd get banned. Why not if I harass and abuse trans staff?

[Cont.]
There's no real support or concensus for this crazyness
The media promote and sell points of view while they suppress others to give a slanted view of reality to further their agendas.
The vast majority are forced to merely accept it,
(and don't want to offend, lest someone like that mentally unstable person shown in the video above loses their mind over it)
- whilst they promote it with younger people against the beliefs of those who raised them.

Kids screaming at you, "I'm not a 'she', you must call me 'they' or 'them'!"

There's lots of wars going on, 'the war on terror' the war on drugs' 'the war on hunger', 'the war on waste'...
Apparently Donald Trump even started a war on toilets.
http://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/15/politics/donald-trump-toilet-sinks-dishwashers/index.html

It's just a catch all phrase to promote whatever stupid agenda they've got going this week.

Well I have a war on 'Stupid'

STOP THE WEIRDNESS, I'M NOT BUYING INTO YOUR MENTAL PROBLEMS
I'M NOT GIVING MY SILENT CONSENT TO THE WEIRDNESS BY ACCOMMODATING IT

Do you know what social justice is?
It's just a made up thing, to promote agendas and vilify people that haven't actually done anything wrong.

Where does the crazyness end?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10212633/Trans-professor-placed-leave-defending-pedophiles.html
"The refusal of a Virginia university to fire a transgender assistant professor who defended pedophiles and said they should be given child sex dolls has outraged students, alumni, politicians and the school's LGBTQ board, who say it is proof of a double standard that protects woke staff."

Seems like they're the ones obsessed with sexuality and genitals, not me.

It's all crap.

Hi AC,

I know that you feel things ever so passionately and
that you care a great deal. But take it easy. Or you'll
make yourself ill.

I've worked with all sorts of people during my
very varied career. It's best to take people as you
find them and I know it may be difficult at times not
to make judgements - but that's true of anybody.
Fundamentalists, extremists, exist in all areas of
life.

Many people believe in the literal wording of their
religions - they have the "God gene," as we so often
hear about with US Christianity. However give people
a chance. You may find that they're not all alike.
That you often have things in common.
And that you can even be friends.

Worth a try.

"There's no real support or concensus for this crazyness
The media promote and sell points of view while they suppress others to give a slanted view of reality to further their agendas.
The vast majority are forced to merely accept it,
(and don't want to offend, lest someone like that mentally unstable person shown in the video above loses their mind over it)
- whilst they promote it with younger people against the beliefs of those who raised them."

no reason except manners. Support for trans people is overwhelming in society. That most people in your nursing home or aging friendship group are still confused is not relevant. I am amused you keep using the word force to mean 'people won't let me pick on and abuse these folks, it's not fair!'

Kids screaming at you, "I'm not a 'she', you must call me 'they' or 'them'!"

"Well I have a war on 'Stupid'"

Yes, you are stupid. Stupid is winning

"STOP THE WEIRDNESS, I'M NOT BUYING INTO YOUR MENTAL PROBLEMS
I'M NOT GIVING MY SILENT CONSENT TO THE WEIRDNESS BY ACCOMMODATING IT"

Exactly. You don't understand it, and you are unwilling both to learn, and simply to be kind to people.

"Do you know what social justice is?
It's just a made up thing, to promote agendas and vilify people that haven't actually done anything wrong."

Hitler agrees with you. Why would society be fair?

"Where does the crazyness end?"

if you keep masturbating to the daily mail, they will keep confecting stories to feed your faux rage. Trans people don't think pedos are OK. If one does, it's not because they are trans

"Seems like they're the ones obsessed with sexuality and genitals, not me."

And yet, you're googling these fake news stories like a masturbating bonobo....

Everything you say is irrelevant drivel. People are born trans. We know they are. All you are defending is the right to not be kind to strangers because you don't understand their reality. It's fascinating that being perhaps 20 years old is the difference between being trash and a decent person....

AC,

Here's a link that may be of interest:

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/6145323/tony-abbott-to-introduce-australian-story-for-transgender-friend-cate-mcgregor/

Tony Abbott knew Lieutenant Colonel McGregor an army officer and
cricket expert since their student days. McGregor is also one
of Australia's most high profile transgender people. When he
told Abbott what he was about to do - Abbott said - "It changes
nothing!" between them.

All the "problems" are explained in the following; Contains 4 letter words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bScQcM0tzW4

AC,

My apologies for the typo. Here's the link again:

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6145323/tony-abbott-to-introduce-australian-story-for-transgender-friend-cate-mcgregor/

All you are defending is the right to not be kind to strangers because you don't understand their reality.

No, I'm defending the right to recognise a man in a dress is not a REAL woman, your confused.

"All you are defending is the right to not be kind to strangers because you don't understand their reality."

"No, I'm defending the right to recognise a man in a dress is not a REAL woman, your confused."

If I decide I think what you are wearing looks bad, or that the way you wear your hair is ridiculous, or the way you behave is ludicrous, do I have a moral duty to stop you, a stranger, and tell you how you fail to live up to the things that I agree with? Or would manners constrain me?

In what context are you REQUIRED to make a judgement on the gender or genitals of a stranger? All of this is nonsense.