Aidan,

"ttbn,
I don't know where you got your figures from, but according to http://opennem.org.au/energy/nem/ the figures for the NEM yesterday were as follows:
Coal 57.2%
Gas 17%
Wind 2.7%
Solar 7.6%
Hydro 14.9% (Tas,Vic,NSW,Qld.)"

What ttbn's information shows is that renewable energy supply is erratic. Yes, wind and solar might provide an average of 10% of supply, but at times it might be less than 2%. In my opinion, dealing with the erratic supply and low capacity hurdles of wind and solar would be many times the cost of high capacity and predictable nuclear power. It would be a national disaster.

Fester

Erratic describes renewable energy very well: not enough, or too much at the wrong time. Ignorant boofheads like Aidan have no knowledge - just ideology. That’s why I ignore him and his kind.

ttbn,

I think rubbishing people and ideas a bad idea. What matters to me is keeping an open and civil dialogue. My sister gets shut down by her daughter when she tries to discuss climate change and renewable energy with her. That is the worst outcome as far as I can see.

Hi Fester,
"I think rubbishing people and ideas a bad idea. What matters to me is keeping an open and civil dialogue."

Some people say stupid things, it's sometimes difficult to have patience for people who are less informed, and I too am very much a layman on many topics and have been guilty of rubbishing others at time, but I do agree with you.

I've come to the conclusion that so many things in society these days seem to divide us, (which may very well be by design) when we should all just be trying our best to find common ground in that which unites us, and for me the best policy I can see is 'unity in self sufficiency' for the betterment of our nation and all of it's citizens.

If we're not well grounded in the foundations of where we're going moving forward, then the whole system from the top down to the bottom is going to fall apart with everyone at each others throats.

Hey Canem Malum,

"From memory it was Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle that created a paper for the American Enterprise Institute in 1982 that proposed the Afghan pipeline. But hydrocarbons (oil) are pretty important for economic growth."

Ahh, the 'Prince of Darkness'.
I've heard the Neoliberals are now just as bad as the Neoconservatives...
I think it's like its own little isolated food chain.

Make bombs, Make war and blow people up, Remove them from their land,
Build pipelines, Get (oil) - Energy for your society, Sell (oil) Energy for others:
Then use money (profits) and build more bombs...
- Rinse and repeat -

Thank you AC. Very sensible comments.

Hey Fester,
I feel as though the simple idea of 'Unity of Self Sufficiency" transgresses all of our endless petty squabbles.
It's neither left or right, but politically neutral.
It cares not about race or gender, social justice, political correctness or anything else.
Nothing more or less than a path to being independent, on our own terms with a goal in mind to build better policies for our nation and people upon.
- And neither side of politics can argue with it, which means we can all unite and be on the same page, despite all of our different viewpoints and disagreements on the less important things that divide us.

Thanks for your response;
- Occasionally, I come out with something sensible.