Keith Windschuttle uses a statement by Greg Craven that "They were here first. They have been here for 60,000 years. We took their land and their laws" (The Australian, 28/5/22) to show that "most of today’s commentators"  on  an Aboriginal Voice to Parliament "don't know what they are talking about".

.We did not 'take' aboriginal land and their law; they came into the new white society and its economy.

.Aborigines do NOT inhabit the 'world’s oldest living culture'. They gave that away long before the activists "who now recite this mantra were even born".

Traditional or pre-colonial culture came to an end in the south east of Australia as long ago as the "late nineteenth century". By the 1890s, traditional law and rituals were gone from aboriginal communities in NSW. The last "wild tribe" was discovered in 1893 - 30 people. In 1904, the anthropologist, AW Howitt,  wrote that the "tribal remnants" had now "almost lost the knowledge of the beliefs and customs of their fathers". The few things remembered had not been passed on to the younger generations. A majority had assimilated, and the few who had not,  lived a "violent, disorderly, binge-drinking, sexually abusive" lifestyle - little different from what goes on in remote communities today.

If the traditional 'High Culture' is gone, it would be "improper" for Australia to amend its Constitution.

For those interested in reading the lengthy article with its documented and footnoted evidence that the  popular opinions of people with communistic leanings are pure bumf, "The Voice and the End of Traditional Aboriginal Culture" is freely available online.

Aboriginals have the same rights as every other race in this country, they can vote for Aboriginal representatives in parliament.
And from what I've seen they have some very talented vocal members in the Australian government already.

I thought they wanted equal rights not special privileges, where they get to have a third arm of government that no other race has in Australia.

The trouble with the Aborigines,no matter what is done to help them, it's never enough,they always demand more. Their talk of inclusiveness
is a sham. They mean include them by giving into their every demand but the inclusiveness does not extend to white people or other races and cultures living in Australia. There has to be some giving in spirit and the extending of inclusiveness by the Aborigines too.

Windschuttles "whitewashing" of aboriginal history has been heavily criticised by many historians and others and his latest book suggested a conspiracy to create a "Black State" by a group of Aboriginal activists and white sympathisers who are plotting the overthrow of Australia as we know it plus claiming those lands granted under the Native Title Act that would amount to 60% of the Australian continent.
John Howard even said the Wik decision would have them claiming our back yards. Nothing yet.

All Windschuttle did was to gather a few selected quotes from across the years and stitch them together as threadbare evidence of a conspiracy that exists perhaps only in his mind.

He's one of those proponents that suggest we saved the Aborigines from themselves - like those hard right Southern State Americans who say that negros should be grateful to white people because "it was the whites who freed them from slavery".

I was taught in Primary School that they were a dying race and would disappear within a couple of generations and be bred out of existence. Even Gina Reinhart's father Lang Hancock suggested sterilisation as a solution to "the aboriginal problem", especially the half-castes. I would like to think that we've moved on from that since - but perhaps not all of us.

Australia is the only first world nation with a colonial history that doesn't recognise its first people in its constitution. The generally accepted countries fitting that description of being first world nations with a colonial history are Canada, New Zealand, United States and Australia. Keith Windschuttle is markedly anti Aboriginal, some would say racists, but he is entitled to his opinion. Now Labor is in office, there will be movement on the question of Aboriginal recognition in our Constitution, and hopefully by the time of the next election an acceptable bipartisan referendum question on the subject can be put before the Australian people.

CHERFUL,

Good to see you are not fooled.

rache,

Of course Keith Windschuttle has been "heavily criticised" - by communists, socialists, patsys, and self-haters and racists who want to bring Australia down with identity politics and controllable groups.

PS: KW doesn't make things up. He relies on evidence and documentation. Shooting the messenger is not going to work.

Before any of us can continue to post comments on
an Aboriginal Voice to Parliament - it might
be a good idea to know exactly what it would actually
look like and what it would entail in practice:

http://theconversation.com/we-keep-hearing-about-a-first-nations-voice-to-parliament-but-what-would-it-actually-look-like-in-practice-183718#

Lets talk about Keith Windschuttle.

He's criticized so many historians. And of course
they have returned in kind. I guess it all depends
which side of the fence you're sitting on. To try
to get to the bottom of it all is not an easy job.

Windschuttle's methodology appears to consist of
emotional appeals to an audience who are already
inclined to agree with him. They don't need
convincing, and his arguments, therefore, do not need
to be constructed with any degree of care or effort.

He never applies the same rigorous standards of
evidence to his own utterances that he demands of
the historians he attacks. Windschuttle is obsessed
with footnotes, but a close inspection of his
writings reveals a careless regard for detail rather
than anything resembling thoroughness.

The Murdoch press will pay him regardless, after all.
So why need he bother.

For anyone interested in knowing more about the man -
more can be found on the web.

Foxy,

Your waffle about Windschuttle is in keeping with your usual ignorant bigotry.

ttbn,

Try keeping to the subject of your discussion
and not making it personal. That's intellectually
lazy and a cop out.

You can do better surely.

Perhaps not. In any case - it's not just my opinion
of Keith Windschuttle - many historians have been
critical of his aggressive writing - with his careless
regard for detail and thoroughness of evidence to his
claims.

You need to delve more deeply into the issues involved
for yourself rather than simply blindly accepting what
this man says. He's got an axe to grind and an agenda.

But then I suppose - so have you so I guess - it's
understandable.

Any legislation needs a sunset clause or in a hundred years or so we
will have a section of the population having a special privilege to access parliament.
Also the aborigines are not first nation, they might be 2nd or 3rd
nation people. I am probably of the 5th nation.
There was a news item on TV just the other night and the group of
aborigines, about 20, all were white except one or two who seemed brown.
In another 100 years only their dna will tell the difference.
This point cannot be ignored, it is there and no one can ignore it.

"Windschuttles "whitewashing" of aboriginal history has been heavily criticised by many historians"

Yes that's very true. He's been particularly criticised by those historians he has outed as fabricators and falsifiers.

eg Henry Reynolds (the father of the black-armband view of history) was forced to admit, following Windschuttle's revelations, that he'd altered a quote so as to make a policy designed to protect the natives to look like one designed to kill them. Reynolds admitted it....the usual suspects looked the other way.

eg Lyndall Ryan, now treated by the ABC and the left as the pre-eminent aboriginal historian, was shown to have fabricated a quote about a massacre from a newspaper that didn't exist at the time. Ryan admitted it....the usual suspects looked the other way.

I'm more than happy for the left to try to get a referendum through giving one group a special status in the nation. The chances of the public falling for it will be low, and, if they do, we are stuffed anyway.

Bazz

'Nations' does not at all describe disparate, wandering tribes that were little more than family groups. First Nations is a recent construct, lifted from North American literature and propaganda used to describe their natives. The fraud of 'nations' is akin to some of the 'rites' and 'ceremonies' invented recently: e.g 'welcome to country' and 'smoking ceremonies', the latter concocted by Ernie Dingo and a mate in the 1970s.

The things being shoved down our throats by Blacktivists and their white cronies are a gigantic scam.

Keith Windcsuttle has a Masters in history. He has lectured in Australian history and in journalism. He is a prolific author, possibly best known, even by non-readers, for 'The Fabrication of Aboriginal History'. He is a scrupulous researcher, whose references in this latest article include:

Aborigines Protection Board, Report, 1893, p 3

A.W. Howitt, The Native Tribes of South-East Australia, (1904)

Bain Attwood, The Making of the Aborigines

Windschuttle has a lot more going for him than a few nobodies who get everything they know from the ABC.

Survey of temperance habits, Aborigines Protection Board, Report, 1890, in Report to Legislative Council, in Votes and Proceedings, Legisla­tive Assembly of New South Wales.

Paul Hasluck, Shades of Darkness: Aboriginal Affairs 1925–1965

W.E.H. Stanner, ‘Durmugam: A Nangiomeri’, in Joseph B. Casa­grande (ed.), In the Company of Men: Twenty Portraits by Anthropologists, Harper, New York, 1960, reprinted in Robert Manne (ed.) The Dreaming and Other Essays

W. E. H. Stanner, ‘Continuity and Change among the Aborigines’, Presidential Address, Anthropology, Australian and New Zealand Association for the Advancement of Science, Report of the Thirty Third Congress, Adelaide

Strehlow, Songs of Central Australia, Angus and Robertson, Syd­ney, 1971.

Barry Hill, Broken Song: T.G.H. Strehlow and Aboriginal Possessio

T.G.H. Strehlow, diary, 28 May 1932, quoted by Barry Hill, Broken Song: T.G.H. Strehlow and Aboriginal Possession.

Annette Hamilton, ‘Blacks and Whites: The Relationships of Change’

Windschuttle has a lot more going for him than the nobodies who gained all their 'knowledge' from the ABC.

Lets look at the facts:

http://utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/F.Fabrication.htm

There's much, much more on the web.

And the people doing the critiques are reputable historians
with amazing credentials that even Windschuttle could not
attack.

Here's the link again:

http://utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/F/Fabrication.htm

Here's two more links:

http://blackincbooks.com.au/books/whitewash

http://eurekastreet.com.au/article/windschuttle-s-whitewash

Dear mhaze,

Old bloody Windshuttle has been found to be gilding the lily so many times it makes your head spin.

He is the darling of the hard right because he has been prepared to adjust his messaging to garner plaudits from them.

I have on several occasions pointed out him getting it severely wrong or moving the goal posts when it suits him. The difference between him and Reynolds is the latter owns up to his mistakes.

ttbn, when Philip arrived they were disparate family tribes, but as
they learnt their history and where they fitted into the world they
then became a "nation".
So, as they claim to be a nation that they had not known existed we
will have to acknowledge that self understanding.
However it does not change anything.

Dear Bazz,

Usual rot from you.

When do disparate family groups become over 300 distinct language groups with their own national languages?

No Bazz. They never "became a nation". That's a modern invention. 

There were  around 600 different languages. Not much chance of communication, let alone 'nation' building. 

Windschuttle uses original documents, written by people who lived among aboriginals, in many cases; many of them scholars who were by no means politically minded, and who were sympathetic to aborigines. His detractors prefer to believe nonsense invented the day before yesterday by someone they like. They couldn't possibly like or agree with an 80 year old scholar with experience, who grew up in a time of academic rigour not sullied  by modern, politically-driven brainwashing.

"Old bloody Windshuttle has been found to be gilding the lily..."

Well "gilding the lily" is a subjective thing and in the eye of the beholder. And if you squint real hard and remain effectively ignorant of the facts, you might just convince yourself of it.

"The difference between him and Reynolds is the latter owns up to his mistakes."

Oh so when Reynolds took a direct quote, utterly altered its wording and meaning to make a pro-native policy seem anti-native and then used that as the foundation stone to advance his black armband view of history, that was merely a mistake!! Now THAT'S gilding the lily.

".. it makes your head spin."
Only for those whose head wasn't screwed on right originally. :)

Correction.

There are now 250 different aboriginal languages, and 800 different dialects. There could have been more separate languages at the time of white settlement, but probably not 600.

This makes no difference to communication difficulties, nor the impossibility of nation building.

It'll become ever more messy as the invention of "history" ends up contradicting itself.
I think history must be preserved under all circumstances but not invented nor must it be permitted to be concealed. The recent past has provided ample evidence of both !

Equality for Aboriginal Australians became law after the 1967 Referendum, now they, or those pushing the “industry” want more than equality.

is Mise,
It certainly hasn't anything "equal" about it when despite already getting more, more gets demanded for less effort by pale-faced claimants of Aboriginality !

"Equality for Aboriginal Australians became law after the 1967 Referendum".

Not quite. All the referendum did was to consider themselves as citizens rather than "native fauna".

It didn't end discrimination but allowed the Government to make specific laws that applied to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples that could assist in addressing inequalities.
While the Holt government started to take some action, the following Gorton government seemed completely disinterested in and even hostile toward aboriginal affairs.

It seems many still blame the aborigines for the shortcomings and misguided actions of governments.

many still blame the aborigines for the shortcomings and misguided actions of governments.
rache,
only the pseudo-Aborigines whose only interest is disharmony !

Yes. It was expected that 1967 would not be enough and, here we go again. There is no comparison between the successful, and necessary, referendum of 55 years ago. This current farce and push for an apartheid system would not have been allowed to get as far as it has in the democratic, non-racially obsessed country Australia was back then. Now, with racist Blacktivists (most not so black) and white Marxists, the only hope lies with the silent majority - if they are still there, and haven't given up in disgust.

The 4th. boat since Labor was elected, carrying 64 illegals, has been stopped by the Sri Lankan navy.

If Australia is 'too white' and nasty, why have non-white people always been busting a gut to get here, and start coming again, now that Easy Albanese is in charge!

How long before we will have every race and culture in the country wanting a voice in parliament!

ttbn, your mob failed to get a VOICE IN PARLIAMENT, the extreme from your side of politics One Nation and the Palmer Party failed to win a seat. We wont be hearing from those ratbags, better luck next time!

So with 250 separate languages and 800 dialects, the left whinge morons are still trying to push the 60 000-year old maintained culture.

What a bunch of twats.

So it's back to the boat arrival boogey-man threat when arguments run out of steam (as expected).

There are about 130,000 asylum seekers in Australia. Around 30,000 came by boat but 100,000 easily came by plane and now that COVID travel restrictions have been lifted we can reasonably expect to see more flying in regardless of boats. 95,000 flew in between 2014 and 2019 alone but that gets no media coverage although past figures show that more asylum seekers who arrived by boat have been recognised as refugees than those who entered Australia by air.

The claim that Medivac legislation would restart the boats didn't happen despite the tens of millions spent to reopen Christmas Island temporarily - although it did provide the chance for a handy photo-op for Morrison.

The claim that sending off-shored refugees to New Zealand would do the same also made no difference in the end as has all the scare-mongering legislation of the previous government. Holding refugees hostage for for years as political pawns is not a good look.

Also, from the tone of the aboriginal discussion, all that remains for some must be the secret hope of some sort of "final solution" to the problem.
Endless complaints but no suggestions.

The Forums band of racists will never accept First Nations people on an equal footing with the white man. Reconciliation will only be possible when the racists in society change their attitude, judging by the postings here from the 'Usual Suspects', hatred and bigotry is as well entrenched as ever.

Hi Paul,

Why worry about what a tiny minority says. The Australian
voters will again decide what kind of country they
want to live in and as they did in the last election -
I'm sure that - the voters will again get it right.

Multiculturalism is dog whistling for Anti-White (and Anti-Ethnicity and Anti-Stability and Anti-Safety and Anti-Family). Even those that are not White should be against Multiculturalism.

Interesting Paul1405 talking about the pejorative racist groups on OLO- because I consider Paul1405 and the Communist ideology that he appears to subscribe to- as the ultimate in bigoted genocide on a worldwide scale to force everyone to mix to destroy culture, family, identity- they want to tie sinking community philosophies to buoyant community philosophies- they don't accept other viewpoints and tyrannize those that do in village square killings, denial of employment on ideological grounds, denial of a voice from the town square, universities, etc, etc. Traditionalist people believe in everyone's right to exist but not necessarily in their community. Aboriginal's are not happy living in Anglo society let them have their own territory and they can manage it themselves- if some Aboriginal's want to sodomize 13 year old's- like what happened in Queensland- then they can address the issue under their own Aboriginal system of laws- or not- as is their choice under sovereignty. A government of the people by the people for the people. Then they can find something else to complain about. It appears that Communists often try to attack society to make it ungovernable to make the Communists seem like the alternative- the real solution is to disable the Communist strategy.

Sadly it seems that one needs some sort of tyranny to fight the tyranny of Communism- or maybe one just needs to ban certain ideas from "the sandbox"- a "permanent war"/ "rolling strike" against Communism- ironically in the style of Trotsky's permanent revolution.

Hopefully something similar to the Hollywood blacklist can be avoided but obviously there will be some sort of Communist backlash against any limiting of their tactics. Yes the Australian population needs to make a decision to support or stop Communism or "put their heads in the sandbox".

And here folks you have a perfect display of the
kind of so called proclaimed "tolerance" that many
have fought against all of their lives and from which
many have fled to come to this "safe-heaven" of a country.
Yet as we can see
the existence of hatred and intolerance is still rife
for a tiny minority in our community today.

It has always been easy to hate and destroy.
To build and to cherish is much more
difficult.

The Australian voters made their intentions quite plain in 1967,pity that even today there are people who would destroy any attempt at equality and the so called ‘Voice’ movement tries to do exactly that.

Issy, are you still upset your NO vote was unsuccessful in 1967? Just live with it me old sod.

I don't think they should have any legislated right or special benefits to make decisions that affect the rest of us.
On that score than can get elected like anyone else,
- The problem for them is there's not enough of them to do so.

But in it's place I don't see why they can't have some kind of Special Indigenous Committee,
Where they can elect their own people to the committee to assist them to have a say on policies they they believe are in their best interests.
- I'm willing to find some middle ground here.

"On that score than can get elected like anyone else".

And they have done. There are now have more people in parliament percentage-wise than there are people in the community who identify as indigenous.

Look at these twits.

Dan and Dom: the two premiers leading a vibe shift in Australian politics
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/18/dan-and-dom-the-two-premiers-leading-a-vibe-shift-in-australian-politics

Dumb and Dumber, what do we call Albo?

Isn't a great world we live in?
Both parties want to help Ukraine. Yay!!
- That is we're sending NAZI's money and weapons to help them do biological experiments on psychiatric patients.

What would the old blokes who fought in WWII think of all this?
http://twitter.com/RealGeorgeWebb1/status/1537677004736282624
http://twitter.com/RealGeorgeWebb1/status/1537004425306329091
(Look at the images shown in the tweets)

46 Biolabs in Ukraine, Pentagon admitted it.
So did Victoria Nuland
http://youtu.be/ydSf57SRtcQ
They weren't researching the common cold.

http://tass.com/defense/1417951

Skip to 33mins and you will see them destroying the evidence.
http://youtu.be/AQQFULSPqLg

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to consider Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's invitation to visit Kyiv

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-17/anthony-albanese-considers-ukraine-invitation-from-zelenskyy/101161600

How would you feel if someone invited you over for dinner,
- But you knew it was all a show and they were going to beg for money and weapons?
Do we at least get to see the Biolabs or the psychiatric patients you tested the bioweapons on?
Dumbo will go, it'll be just like a good old school excusion for him.
Probably thinks he's getting a free lunch and an opportunity to look important.

This country is so retarded.
It's completely surpassed all my expectations on 'level of stupidity'.
If there was a 'war on stupid' Australia won hands down.

Albo seems like the kind of kid who got his mum to cut the crusts off his sandwiches in his packed school lunch.
I wonder if he can bowl a cricket ball better then Johnny Howard?
Next election lets try to set the bar a little lower.
Par for the course these days...

Hi AC,

In the case we spoke of, there has been an appeal by the Queensland AG, and I am thankful for that. Hopefully justice will be served.

As far as the war in Ukraine goes, I don't buy the American line; "Ukraine GOOD!, Russia BAD!" there is a lot more to it than that. What I wont buy is the deaths of innocent people on both sides, including soldiers. I believe Australia should be a non-aligned country, and take a stance for peace, rather than blindly supporting America, sorry their proxy in this case Ukraine. Albanese first and foremost should be demanding peace in Ukraine from both sides, instead of promising to deliver weapons of war. Australia reminds me of the kid who picks up the rocks in the school yard for the bully to throw at the little kid cringing in the corner.

As for an Aboriginal voice to politicians, nothing new there, business, pressure and sectional interest groups have had the ear of politicians and been lobbying them forever to get their way, and if that don't work, then a simple bribe in the form of a political "donation" works wonders. At least the Aboriginals wont be able to bribe the politicians with political cash in the way big business and others do, they don't have it to splash around.

Hi Paul,
Yes I heard about that.
It won't be enough to scare some of these out of control youth with 'don't care' attitudes into acting differently,
- But at the very least there might be a little more justice for that poor young couple.
I did actually hear 'something' about them wanting to review the bail laws, let me find some news...

http://www.begadistrictnews.com.au/story/7784002/qld-govt-wont-make-breaching-bail-a-crime/
"Reinstating breach of bail as an offense in Queensland would not have any impact on youth crime, the state government says."

- I must say I wholeheartedly disagree.
I think reinstating breach of bail would have MORE impact on reducing youth crime than anything else.
- And if you breach your bail one the court MAY show discretion depending on the circumstances
- Breach it twice in a 5 year period, automatic minimum sentence of a month in jail.
If there's no penalties for breaching bail conditions, then there's no reason to care about getting caught re-offending again.

- Some bail conditions however are over the top though, and are used to silence free speech / right to protest / or legitimate dissent.
- Such as being banned from streaming on YouTube or banned from entire suburbs.

"As far as the war in Ukraine goes, I don't buy the American line; 'Ukraine GOOD!, Russia BAD!' there is a lot more to it than that."

Agreed;
But as everyone knows I support Russia in this situation,
- Because I don't support using money or trade as weapons and overthrowing other countries.
- But I don't certainly like seeing innocent people suffering.

Conscripted Ukrainian boys -> retirees being used as cannon fodder for a proxy war by NATO,
Russian mums thinking their boys are off to military exercises - never to come home again.
I don't like any of it.

"I believe Australia should be a non-aligned country, and take a stance for peace, rather than blindly supporting America, sorry their proxy in this case Ukraine."

- I've been saying the same thing.
I wish we had a nuclear deterrent, and could remain neutral non-aligned and a voice of peace and sanity in a crazy world.
I'm starting to think the only real policy worth supporting is unity in self sufficiency,
- Everything else seems to just be divide and conquer.

I don't like the 'green agenda', but it's not because I'm against doing things that are better for the environment,
- I just oppose foreign treaties and being ruled by unelected foreign bureaucrats.
I support good polices that are better for the environment,
- but I don't think we should cut our noses off to spite our faces.

"...then a simple bribe in the form of a political "donation" works wonders"
Yes also agreed, voters never seem to matter as much as political donors do.

Hi AC,

I think you and I share some common ground on some issues.

I don't agree that having nuclear weapons is much of a deterrent, India, Pakistan, likely nuclear targets from each other. Iran and North Korea, again although developing their deterrent, it doesn't make them any safer from their prospective, from nuclear attack. Should Australia possess such weapons, I think we would go up a couple of notches on China's hit list. Plus nuclear proliferation simply allows every tin pot country justification to develop nuclear weapons, if we had such a capability, why not Indonesia, Philippines etc.

On the voice issue; Given aboriginal a voice to government.

A hypo;

Proposed Law One; Uluru is to be broken up and used for road base.
Proposed Law Two; A mining tax of 20% on all minerals.

The Aboriginal voice would be up in arms about Law One.

The Mineral Council would be up in arms about Law Two.

Both listened to by government.

A few big miners donate $1 million to the party in power, for listening to their voice. The Uluru mob give the PM and the Aboriginal Minister shiny new boomerangs, for listening to their voice.

Next week the 20% mining tax is dead and buried, but there is now plenty of road base for the taxpayer funded 6 lane highway to the new worlds biggest asbestos mine in WA. All had nothing to do with dosh or boomerangs. Although the PM thought at least his boomy would have been made out of solid gold, given his self importance!

Kudos Armchair Critic.

Hi paul1405,
I suppose I can't really argue with you there,
Whilst having a nuclear deterrant may provide some kind of buffer against invasion / war by more powerful countries.
(i.e the US is less likely to invade or overthrow)
Nuclear weapons can not only be a deterrent, but offensive in nature as well or a means to bully others, which in turns creates a need for those smaller nations to want want to possess them too.

I'd like to think that having such capabilities would allow us to be non-aligned and neutral, but in reality things seldom seem to work out the way you plan.

Pauliar,

Ukraine was a non-aligned country threatening no one until Russia invaded.

Armchair Critic- Yes the genie is out of the bottle all we can do is take care of ourselves and try to gain allies. Fifty nukes isn't going to really give us offensive capability anyway. China and India and Pakistan didn't follow the rules either and no one did anything. The reality seems to be there is always dominance over the sandboxes. Sometimes the only was people play nice is by forcing them to. But the more complexity the more instability as James Gleick implies in his book Chaos. Part of the stability of the world is predicated on the non-aggression of the permanent members but with an aggressive China all bets are off. Time to start arming. Notice that Socialist groups don't criticize China. Remember the Hong Kong Anti-China Protests- the Socialists came out on the side of China.

As far as the Ukraine goes Hillary Clinton and the Democrat (Socialists) seem to be heavily involved with the coup. But Russian's obviously have Communist Socialist roots too. What side Putin is on- who knows. Seemingly two types of socialism are in opposition to each other- is this real or fake controlled opposition. One would suspect that China would stay behind the scenes pulling the levers of power on both sides if it is controlled opposition- and maybe even if it isn't.

Impressive and terrifying in scale.

What are the other players doing- Japan, Korea, Taiwan, India, Pakistan, Iran, Germany, Britain, Catholic Church, Wealthy Elites, other religious groupings.

If a conflict breaks out who will side with who in WWIII.
China's not going to back down

http://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/police-operation-targets-climate-activist-group-blockade-australia-in-blue-mountains-20220619-p5auv1.html
I notice this group have a lot of indigenous flags around.
http://www.blockadeaustralia.com/about-blockade-australia/
It would be good if there was an indigenous council.
At least then we could ask them if they condone this group and their actions.

Hey Canem Malum,
I'm not too concerned with Russia, I don't think they are looking to take over the world,
They're self sufficient and have all they need already and just want security and to be treated fairly.
- But I do have some concerns about China's future plans which is all the more reason not to get on the wrong side of them.
- And stand our ground on the issues that really matter to us.
If we do involve ourselves, then there wont be any quarter given when push comes to shove.

I wonder if a few Blacktivist elites 'voicing' elitist nonsense in Parliament would have made any difference to 'Ruby', an aboriginal girl in the Yuendumu community in the Central Desert.

Ruby was repeatedly bashed and raped by her own father. She complained to police, and was ostracised by her extended family for doing so. A Supreme Court judge told The Australian that stories like this are heard everyday. Between 2000 and 2002, 52 women were killed by their partners.

Hey ttbn, perhaps we could do more for the murder rate if instead of banning guns we banned aboriginals.

Hasbeen,

A typical racists comment from you.

The proposed Aboriginal Voice to Parliament would represent only the interests of aboriginals and aboriginal activists. The potential for rorting and corruption is huge.

The claim that only aboriginal politicians can fix the problems of aborigines goes against the principles of Western democracy.

Australians would be subjected to a race-based third chamber of parliament.

How can it be a third chamber to parliament - when
they won't be legislating anything. They don't have
the power to do that. All that they are aski9ng is to be
consulted on things that affect them and their
communities. But the ultimate decision will be left up to
the parliament. It's such a simple request - and I really
can't understand why anybody would object to that.

These people are asking for what should have been their right
in the first place.

"These people are asking for what should have been their right
in the first place".
Posted by Foxy,
What are those rights? Right to kill another tribe's member, right to beat your wife, right to have puberty sex. All practiced under tribal law.

Josephus,

The right for self-determination and be consulted on specific
laws that only affect them and their communities.

Josephus,

Good comment, although we mustn't accuse all people identifying as aboriginal of being barbarians, i.e most of them, who live pretty much the same way the rest of us do.

We also mustn't give special 'rights' to anyone which apply to them alone, just because if race or colour - particularly as many, if not most, of the people in question are as much white as they are black.

That is the worst sort of racism, coming from people who are definitely racist, although they are the ones here who call those of us who believe in equal treatment for all Australians, racist. You know which posters I mean.

Proud Boy Jose',

You say; "What are those rights? Right to kill another tribe's member, right to beat your wife, right to have puberty sex. All practiced under tribal law."

What do you base that on, your white bigoted racism, or do you have evidence to back up your claim. Anyone could say that about whites as well.

Constitutional lawyer, David Flint, warns Albanese and other champions of the Voice to Parliament that we already have "not only one of the most perverse and complicated electoral systems, but also one more open to fraud than in any comparable country". With only 32% of the vote, the government has no mandate to hold a referendum on such nonsense.

But years ago opportunist Australian politicians "whittled away at our electoral system": preferential voting in 1918 and compulsory voting in 1924. In 1983, voting was made easier, but "also enabled significantly more fraud".

We are forced to vote for people "we would never have a bar of", and there is the requirement for people totally disinterested in elections to turn up at the polling booth to cast "ill-considered" votes.

If we went back to the less-complicated and easily understood first-past-the-post system, the Coalition would have won 77 seats. Independents 3 and the Greens, Centre Alliance, Katter Australia Party 1 each plus the member for Warringah.

Opportunities for fraud were increased and more enabled in 1983, all under the cover of ‘making it easier to vote, even though nobody claimed it was hard to vote. Methods of fraud, and the Leftist resistance to tackling the problem have been described many times

Meanwhile, unreported by a media keener to promote the Voice, the remote Wadeye community has been in a state resembling civil war. What was once the peaceful town of Port Keats has seen more than a hundred homes torched, families driven into the bush and, just recently, bows and arrows figuring in the fighting.

Three hearty cheers for Preferential voting and Compulsory Attendance at the polls and another hearty three for the abolition of the thoroughly undemocratic First Past the Post system.
It’s not a horse race but an attempt to pick representatives with the most support, it doesn’t.always work but its track record is far better than FPTP.

What we need is Proportional Representation for all elections.

Totally agree Issy,

That would see 18 GREENS in the house of Reps, and even half a sock puppet from a Shooters and Hooters Party member. Wonders never cease.