From Canem Malum,

"Gay politics is not about fairness- it's about power- mostly foreign."

Well that is about the thickest thing I have read on this forum for quite a while.

I will tell you what is foreign, it is the vile evangelical nonsense coming from the US at the moment.

http://youtu.be/whV8heFHXoQ

The thought it may well be infecting this country is utterly depressing.

The Bishops are spot on and will hopefully not be turning us to an American style crack pot religion any time soon.

Steele Redux's youtube link refers to Rowe v. Wade-

"Amanpour and Company
313K subscribers
The likely demise of Roe v. Wade has galvanized America’s evangelicals. Who exactly are they? And how do they influence politics? Kristin Du Mez is a professor at Calvin University and a historian of American Christianity. Her book "Jesus and John Wayne" takes a look at 75 years of white evangelicalism. Du Mez tells Michel Martin she believes the Christian right is undermining democracy and fracturing the country.

Originally aired on May 5, 2022"

The issue of abortion presented in Rowe v. Wade seems to be an oversimplification of the issues and doesn't present it in a way that considers all the stakeholders- and degrades the debate to an overly emotional level

The left socialists seem to see the change in the power dynamic of western society as advantageous to the Socialist cause- because it delegitimizes the current social structure- in this case the dynamic between men and women. When deconstructing a society socialists talk about- the need for change, old thinking, etc, etc- when in power they are very conservative- talking about counter revolutionary thinking.

It's interesting seeing this sort of dynamic play out in Rowe v Wade.

The traditionalist position is that men and women need each other and if they go to war against each other everyone loses. Men and women have different strengths and weaknesses- based on their physical bodies and their different psychologies.

From the point of view of the church the church is a stakeholder in the abortion issue- and the stability of the family generally. The minister often has a role in helping families with the normal problems faced by all families- this help is not something that mass society or "representative government" (not democratic) is equipped to deal with. Many people feel alone in modern society for this reason- but the socialists will point the blame back to traditionalism- they can try the distraction tactic- "point and say "look" and run away"- for a while but eventually people will see it.

Everyone has their sacred cows I suppose- for women- don't talk about them being too emotional, etc. I'm sure men have similar weaknesses- Jung referred to the dark sides of the archetypes.

Traditionalists see society as like an army- in a sense- everyone has their place in the machine- in private you can do what you like- in public you need to work proficiently with other people. There are standards. If standard's breakdown so does productivity and everyone suffers from shortages. Sometimes standards have to be reviewed but carefully and wisely- there are always foreign entities looking to take advantage of weakness.

Roman Armies used criminals on the front line to disrupt the enemy battle lines. For a Socialist the enemy is stable society.

CM wrote: "Gay politics is not about fairness- it's about power- mostly foreign."

and SR replied "Well that is about the thickest thing I have read on this forum for quite a while."

CM, when SR tells you your observation is 'thick', you can be pretty sure you're on the mark. Especially when he offers not the slightest attempt at evidence to support his derision.

There was once a time when 'gay' activists were about achieving so-called equal rights. But that was all last century. These days 'gay' is a political movement which attempts to force the mainstream to not only accept homosexuality as a reality but also laud it and pretend its an equally valid lifestyle to heterosexuality - an equivalence they themselves would never consider.

Remember when we were assured SSM was the last hurdle the homosexual community needed to overcome. As we all knew, as soon as it was achieved they just moved on to the next 'claim'. T'was always going to happen.

Is Mise,

I don't quite understand you're persistence in questioning
my childhood experiences regarding some priests and nuns.

Preaching intolerance was the norm back in those days.
And no - it didn't come from our much loved parish priest and
close family friend - although as an Irishman - he did
once make some unflattering comments about the British
to my dad.

Preaching hatred from the pulpit though, still exists today.
I remember during Mass one Sunday prior to the same-sex
marriage controversy - the priest making his feelings known
in some very unflattering and unnecessary terms. I guess
many of us tend to forget that priests are also human with
their own prejudices and biases and can also behave badly
at times as can we all.

Is Mise,

I have no control of what you think regarding my
knowledge of Catholicism. Same as you don't have
any control over what I think of your knowledge of
Islam.

So I guess we're even.

Enjoy your day.