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Prince Andrew Settles Out Of Court.
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Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 3:03:04 PM
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$22 million of taxpayer money paid out to protect a royal turd.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 7:09:49 PM
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Lets not judge the Prince too harshly.
Virginia Giuffre had leverage. She used it and she triumphed. Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 8:34:45 PM
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Why didn't Virginia Giuffre testify at Ghislaine
Maxwell's trial? Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 8:44:48 PM
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Settling out of court more or less suggests guilt. For the money involved, Andrew could have driven the woman into the ground. He and his family are extremely rich. The payment will not come from taxpayers. Her family have given the Queen a terrible time as her life is coming to an end. She is the only one deserving of sympathy. Andrew, innocent or not, and that other young idiot Harry, have cheapened the monarchy and turned it into a rerun of Dynasty. Its very unlikely that Charles will be able to restore the lost dignity.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 10:21:50 PM
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"The Grand Old Duke of York
Borrowed 12 million quid To give to someone he doesn't know For something he never did". Yeah, sure. Posted by rache, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 11:30:08 PM
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It's interesting that the focus of Epstein's affairs seem to have been transferred to the Prince Andrew of the Royal Family- rather than the ring leaders- and the possible existence of a pedophilia ring designed to create honey traps for powerful influencers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Giuffre Perhaps colourful Miami is not the most family friendly neighbourhood. The similarities to the Weinstein affair are interesting- could be a coincidence. The fact that both Epstein and Weinstein are both of the Hebrew diaspora points to the idea that perhaps their separate cultural status has led to a lack of compassion for those of other ethnicities- and is perhaps a form of cultural dominance. The below thread is interesting... http://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/cshj4v/ron_eppinger_the_man_who_abused_roberts_before/ Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 17 February 2022 2:32:02 AM
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rache, don't be too hard on Randy Andy, he's thinking of the little people. AND how much richer the royal family would be if they actually got a real job. Why do we even entertain this family of misfits.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 17 February 2022 4:40:25 AM
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Rache finds it interesting that "Epstein's affairs seem to have been transferred to the Prince Andrew of the Royal Family".
Well, what a grand opportunity it has been to attack an institution hated by certain people and aided by the gutter press. For 70 years, the Queen has kept the traditions of service and self-sacrifice drilled into her by her father, who was catapulted into a job he didn’t want by the selfishness of his brother, who would have wrecked the monarchy back then if he had been left to it. Andrew is not the first Royal Dud in our time. Nobody, even anti-monarchists, would have tolerated Queen Elizabeth being attacked. Then along came the next generation who, high and mighty as they might appear, suffer from the same moral decay and lack of responsibility as the commoner lot. One of them starts mixing with scum. Bingo! Move on to the next generation and there's Harry, whom many of us suspect has no 'royal blood' at all, but is still a God-send, with his tarty wife, for the republicans, the haters, and all those who are rubbish human beings themselves wanting to to bring down as much of history and tradition as they can. Easy. King Charles will not be getting the run his mother has had, either. Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 17 February 2022 8:00:19 AM
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What should be questioned here is the motivation of
Virginia Giuffre in her accusation of Prince Andrew. Yes, she was an under-age female when she provided him with sex. But she was working for Epstein at the time. Prince Andrew was merely one of many clients that she serviced and was paid to do so. I imagine that Prince Andrew was serviced by quite a few young females at that time when he was a guest of Epsteins and stayed at his facilities. Ms Giuffre claims she was "abused." How so? By whom and in what fashion? Nobody forced her to provide the service. She's an American who was given an opportunity - and she took it. To now play the role of a victim - when the entire affair was consensual - is again - an opportunity for her - which she has taken. She's married now, has three children, and lives in Australia. Her husband must be rubbing his hands with glee - this is better than winning tattslotto for them. The timing could not have been better. The royal family wants to protect the Queen's Jubilee from being spoilt. They want to protect their reputation. This gave Ms Giuffre all the leverage she needed. She used it and she triumphed. Prince Andrew may have been "Randy Andy," but he certainly did not deserve this. He has lost much - and there's even talk that he may be banned from attending his mother's Jubilee having already lost his royal status and other royal rights. Not fair - not right. Ms Giuffre is attacking the wrong person. If anyone should be attacked - it should be Epstein's partner in crime - Ghislaine Maxwell who did all the procuring for Epstein. Why didn't Virginia Giuffre testify at her trial? Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 17 February 2022 8:51:18 AM
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"It's interesting that the focus of Epstein's affairs seem to have been transferred to the Prince Andrew of the Royal Family- rather than the ring leaders- and the possible existence of a pedophilia ring designed to create honey traps for powerful influencers."
Wow, someone actually got it right after all these years. Good on you Calem Malum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompromat Ghislane's Father http://www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-7867-1078-2 Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 17 February 2022 9:16:45 AM
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Giuffre is no innocent young girl now, if she ever was. She is a hardened gold digger who knew full well what she was doing at the time. But, Andrew lost all credibility when he said that he never met her. A photograph clearly said he did; before photoshopping was available, I believe.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 17 February 2022 9:41:57 AM
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Here's a link about Virginia Giuffre's background:
http://bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59974220 It shows clearly that Prince Andrew was only one of many that she serviced. He was not responsible for getting her involved in her line of work. Epstein and Maxwell should cop the blame not Prince Andrew. Prince Andrew did not abuse her or take advantage of her. Epstein and Maxwell did. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 17 February 2022 9:54:39 AM
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Looks like a new kind of prostitution developing !
Posted by individual, Thursday, 17 February 2022 10:42:08 AM
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You are right, Foxy. But that doesn't work for the anti- royals, the #me tooers, the woke, or the man-haters.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 17 February 2022 11:08:35 AM
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Thanks ttbn.
At least now as royal historian Penny Junor points out - with this settlement we won't get a daily diet of revelations that will embarass the royal family. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 17 February 2022 12:04:00 PM
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Did Epstein and Maxwell take advantage of Giuffre, or did she take advantage of the opportunity they offered?
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 17 February 2022 2:54:36 PM
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Hasbeen,
Both. She was vulnerable and grabbed what was offered. Better than living on the streets - which she'd been doing. Here she had a better quality of clientele and she made more money. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 17 February 2022 2:58:40 PM
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Thanks Armchair Critic and for the links.
I suppose 17 is different than 13 but still illegal in the UK- but how do you prove that the "powerful targets" knew. Interestingly... Marriage age in Texas to under 18's was legal with parental permission until very recently. http://www.findlaw.com/state/texas-law/texas-marriage-age-requirements-laws.html http://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/2017/06/29/219914/underage-marriage-laws-in-texas-change-starting-sept-1/ It seems that Virginia worked at the same establishment as her father. It seems that the issues of parenting are more difficult in these "enlightened" times. One would like to think that her father could have the police return Virginia to her family home in the case she "acted out"- but sadly this probably isn't the case. Very depressing to think of what this means for the state of Anglo-British culture. The US government and the corruption of society is possibly complicit in the affair- in allowing a 17 year old to leave the country under Maxwell's "care". John Stuart Mill style freedom can create chaos- parents need to teach children virtue. Many parents perhaps feel that the corruption of society has handed the management of the asylum to the patients- with predictably disastrous results. Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 17 February 2022 8:46:52 PM
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More information is coming to light.
It appears that Virginia Giuffre had signed a secret settlement with Jeffrey Epstein in 2009. In that settlement she was paid - US$500,000 and she agreed to drop her case against Epstein and not sue anyone who could be described as a "potential defendant" Prince Andrew's lawyers argued that this meant Giuffre had waived her right to sue Prince Andrew. But the Court disagreed that he was protected. And so she sued and won. Prince Andrew had no choice but to settle. Posted by Foxy, Friday, 18 February 2022 8:58:14 AM
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Republicans in the UK have had another 700 paying members sign up over the last month because of Prince Andrew. Harry and his tart, now Andrew, are 'feeding hostility' to the royals, according to the group's CEO.
Now that the money has been paid, and brother Charles says that Andrew will never appear publicly again, the whole thing will soon fizzle out. Worse things have done by relatively insignificant members of the royal family; and Andrew is insignificant. Posted by ttbn, Friday, 18 February 2022 11:44:40 AM
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I can't imagine Britain without the royals.
And I admire Her Majesty very much. I think we all do. They must be relieved that this business with Prince Andrew can now be closed. Hopefully Harry will also return to his family sooner than later. Posted by Foxy, Friday, 18 February 2022 11:59:03 AM
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Virginia Giuffre is to appear on the show "60 Minutes"
on Sunday evening. Hasn't she done enough and been greatly compensated for It? Why continue to ram the point home on a man who was only one of her clients at the time? She can't sue the instigators of her "abuse" because she received a settlement from them so she's milking Prince Andrew for all she can. Greed, pure greed. She should receive no sympathy and no publicity. I wonder how much she's getting paid for the Sixty Minutes interview? Prince Andrew is no angel - but he certainly does not deserve this. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 19 February 2022 8:45:59 AM
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Giuffre was certainly not the only girl Epstein trafficked and Andrew was definitely not the only person who took advantage of his sense of privilege and entitlement. Those wealthy and powerful figures assumed they could get away with anything and I for one don't think anybody is above the law.
Remember that before his recent charges and "suicide" Epstein had already been found guilty of procuring and child prostitution and there have been a number of investigative programmes that describe Epstein's methods. Whatever Andrew did he did willingly and his bizarre lies after the event did him no favours so are we now supposed to feel sorry for him and make him the victim? Posted by rache, Saturday, 19 February 2022 11:21:46 PM
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Giuffre went through a series of bad situations- she was a child yes- but even a child of 17 should know that bad decisions lead to bad results- I suspect that she will misuse the 20 million from Prince Andrew and it will lead to bad results- hopefully this doesn't happen and she gains some wisdom of cause and effect. Perhaps she let a rebellious "animus" get the better of herself- and thought she could find a shortcut to riches.
In previous times under age children dressed in a way that signaled to the community that they held a certain untouchable status- this is perhaps still represented in school uniforms at least. Children are now sexualized at a very young age- wearing midriff tops at five years of age. It's interesting how different subcultures have long used clothes to signal in various ways- now it's considered a faux pas of the community to correct inappropriate signalling in the name of freedom. Perhaps the community is broken- and needs to refocus on virtue. No freedom without virtue. Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 20 February 2022 1:44:59 AM
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Hi rache,
Are you suggesting Epstein may have met with "foul play", and did not "suicide" as claimed. What on earth could motivate someone to have Epstein murdered? I can't think,surly not to protect the rich and powerful. Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 20 February 2022 5:15:06 AM
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Watch "60 Minutes," tonight. It may shed some
more light on this situation. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 20 February 2022 9:13:12 AM
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Dear Foxy,
You have handled this discussion very well, and I agree with everything you have posted. I have to wonder however, if prostitution was legal at that time? Could Ms Giuffre alternatively have been charged with prostitution - end of case? Even if time had actually 'expired' for an actual conviction - just to press-home her actual 'role' and 'involvement' in the affair, as at least a refutation of any 'innocent victim' assertions on her part. Could Andrew perhaps have been subject to a criminal charge - as against these 'civil' proceedings - if Ms Giuffre chose to take that path? I wonder then, if she could possibly have saved some telling 'evidence' of the events - the incontrovertible kind which DNA would accurately ascribe to a given individual? Else, in absence of such, I wonder if Andrew could simply have denied any actual physical 'travesty' on his part? How could she prove otherwise? Loved playing dominoes with those lovely 'playmates'. All good fun. My, didn't she look so afraid and desperate of course, in that oh-so-telling photograph - of two innocent 'visitors' standing in Epstein's doorway? She seemed to actually be smiling - pleased at the attention, perhaps? A neat 'selfie'? Poor Andrew - lousy marriage - poor life choices. Even so, he's only human, and deserves a break. Why not giving evidence in Maxwell's trial? To avoid an almost certain charge of 'Perjury' of course - unless she could simply 'plead the 5th' - or if 'honest' in her evidence, saying goodbye to any chance of any further 'windfall bounties'. How about Brittany though - so innocent - gets sloshed and goes into Parliament House, and a Minister's Office - with a 'friend' - having satisfied a female security officer that all was well - gets 'naked' by some innocent means - and later has misgivings, about a 'tryst gone wrong'? So innocent. Was she also 17? Not to worry. Women rule, and can do no wrong. No offence meant, Foxy, the world has changed - but not sufficiently, according to many, and I cannot logically disagree. Posted by Saltpetre, Sunday, 20 February 2022 8:48:56 PM
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Of course everyone is going to hate me now, for having the audacity to even hint at questioning Brittany's bona fides.
Me, obviously an incorrigible misogynistic retrograde louse. But, perhaps I too am human, and perhaps I noticed, or thought I noticed a certain hesitation on Brittany's part to initially declare 'rape' in blaring tones. Perhaps, when the cat was thrust out of the bag - by others it would seem - and questions began whirling, there became only one obvious solution; couldn't have been 'my fault'. No, not in the least. Must have been .... - but then...? How many times I wonder have misgivings given rise firstly to embarrassment, then shame, and then finally to finding fault with others - security failed, memory fuzzy, paradise lost. Initially, it seemed to me that Brittany wanted better security installed - maybe male security officers only? Better training? More stringent rules about admittance after hours and/or in a possibly unbecoming mental/physical condition? But then, someone had to be blamed. 'Good girls' simply do not behave badly. But someone has behaved badly. Who? How? When? Nonetheless, we are all fully aware that no means no, and an absence of response is not approval, is not consent. Great. Agree wholeheartedly with that, and no, boys cannot be boys - no excuses. But, may a lapse of memory or a lapse in judgement be justification for leveling blame and demanding retribution? Solution: everyone exercising restraint, maintaining decorum, and not placing themselves in hazardous positions or circumstances. And then of course, all males must be knights in shining armour at all times, regardless, no excuses. We all have to be wary and aware. But, on either side? Well, that's me done and dusted. For the alternative respectable adjudication see Grace Tame - and may the Devil take the hindmost. Still, I am genuinely sorry for Brittany, on several levels. Anyway, this thread is on Ms Giuffre, so mea culpa for the deviation. And, may Parliament be a haven, a temple of wisdom and understanding, and a source of inspiration for all seeking clarity and certainty. Posted by Saltpetre, Monday, 21 February 2022 1:09:03 AM
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With Randy Andy being a darling of the right in Australia, maybe they could put him up as Australua's next GG. Come on Flinty where's your royal loyality.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 21 February 2022 6:04:02 AM
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Dear Saltpetre,
Welcome back and so glad to have you posting once again. Your views as always are appreciated. I watched the " 60 Minutes," program last night on Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre and ended up with even more unanswered questions. So much of all this does not make sense to me. However, I still do not feel any sympathy towards Ms Giuffre - and think that she should now simply back off and stop playing the victim. Move on and let Prince Andrew get on with his life. He's paid a heavy price all round in more ways than just money. As for Ms Higgins? I have to admit that I have not been following her case in any great detail. But at least this may force more accountability in our parliament from people in positions of power and also make female staffers also accountable for their behaviour as well. Working places need to be safe for all concerned. Rules of conduct should be put in place. Accountability is key. If that is achieved - it would have been worth it. Posted by Foxy, Monday, 21 February 2022 8:55:39 AM
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To paraphrase George Orwell,
All lives are equal, but some lives are more equal than others. Millions have died from Covid, including hundreds of old people in aged care in Australia. One dear 95 year old in England gets a mild dose of Covid, a bit of a sniffle by all accounts, and we are expected to hold all night candle light vigils, praying for her speedy recovery. PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK. Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 7:17:44 AM
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Bunch of royal bum sniffers
For any normal bloke, we've got to cop the endless narratives of 'all men are rapists', 'toxic masculinity', 'Misogynists' - And don't forget good ole 'white male'. But when Prince pervert gets caught out doing the wrong stuff it's "Oh poor Andy"... - Like he ever did a hard days work in his life to earn or deserve the money being paid out for his seedy behavior. And it's all the other poor white males that have to pay for it, in THEIR taxes, btw. Why don't you go listen to the Whitney Webb / Maria Farmer inteview? Epstein Victim Maria Farmer Speaks With Whitney Webb, Part 1 http://youtu.be/nn6ioOaSxi8 Epstein Victim Maria Farmer Speaks With Whitney Webb Part 2 http://youtu.be/W4v9_aQDHd0 Too busy reading the claptrap from Clinton aligned Centre for American Progress. Hey do you know Bill Clinton rode the Lolita express to Epstein's island too? Maybe you missed that part of Virginia Guiffre's statement. Here's a piece from 60 minutes. http://youtu.be/8Q2Aks6esJ8 You'll hear Maria Farmer mention Victoria's Secret. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Wexner Seems pretty straightforward to me that Epstein and Maxwell were running an operation to use underage girls to get to people with power and influence whom they could blackmail. Look at the relationship between Epstein and Wexner. Why did Wexner give Epstein power of attorney? Why Foxy? Real people have been killed just for looking into these things do you know that? And Ghislane's father was Robert Maxwell, an Israeli spy. Foxy would rather sniff the royals bottoms. Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 7:23:22 AM
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Armchair Critic,
Seen on a t-shirt: "BACK OFF I have anger issues A serious dislike for STUPID, PEDANTIC PEOPLE And a mouth I can't control!" Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 8:19:22 AM
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The lass was merely seventeen
She was paid to have sex With the son of a queen Photos taken at that time Show the lass smiling and beguiled Years later she's filed for abuse Claiming on having been badly misused The clients she serviced were so many For which she was paid a pretty penny Instead she sought to bring a royal to trial A royal who was in total denial Who was forced to settle out of court Paying the money she aimed to extort The prince has now lost all his leverage His title, position, and his privilege The lass today is a very rich lady Winning by doing what was shady Lets hope that she will fight for victims of abuse And put her own gains to good use Lets trust that she will protect the needy And stop them from doing what is seedy. As for the prince there's a lesson learned Choose your friends wisely you can get burned. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 10:39:27 AM
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And that folks is all there is.
Thanks to all rational contributions. They as always are appreciated. I look forward to our next discussion. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 10:49:03 AM
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Does any real person give a damn what Prince Andrew & some little tart did back in their youth.
Royalty has been involves with producing "bastards" ever since royalty has existed. Does anyone really care? Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 1:17:36 PM
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Hasbeen,
You cared enough to comment on it. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 2:22:11 PM
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"Jeffrey Epstein’s mate Jean-Luc Brunel found dead in prison"
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/jeffrey-epsteins-mate-jeanluc-brunel-found-dead-in-prison/news-story/d213ab6c5ea1fd0f63227fb034186358 Epstein hangs himself in prison when no cameras, no guards and no other inmates were around. Brunel hangs himself in prison when no cameras, no guards and no other inmates were around. Sheer coincidence I'm sure. On a totally unrelated issue, does anyone remember how often Bill and Hilary flew down to Epstein's island? Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 6:22:00 PM
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mhaze,
Not only Bill and Hilary, but Donald and Melania, George Clooney, Bill Gates, Prince Andrew, and so many others - including John Kennedy Jr and his wife. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 8:45:55 PM
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To Foxy,
"She was paid to have sex with the son of a queen" By the sounds it I'm not sure they'd have had to pay you. You sound like you're slipping over yourself just thinking about your beloved Prince Andy the seedy pervert. Maria Farmer wasn't a prostitute, nor was Virginia Guiffre. The sad thing about your opinions is that you don't research any facts. Maria Farmer was an art student, and then a receptionist for Epstein and the first person to blow the lid on him and Maxwell. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Farmer Back in New York, Farmer was recruited to work for Epstein, first as his art advisor, where she oversaw the acquisition of artwork by Chuck Bowdish and Damian Loeb for Epstein's collection.[11] She continued to work for Epstein at the front desk of his New York mansion, signing in "tradesmen, decorators, and friends".[14][4] She observed a large number of young girls coming and going from the house, and stated that Maxwell would leave on frequent missions to recruit girls for Epstein.[14] She described Epstein showing her the security room at his New York mansion that was equipped with extensive video surveillance devices focused on the beds and toilets in the property.[15] Farmer reportedly saw lawyer Alan Dershowitz regularly visiting Epstein's New York home.[16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Giuffre Virginia Louise Giuffre (née Roberts; born August 9, 1983) is an American-Australian[1] campaigner who offers support to victims of sex trafficking. She is a victim of the sex trafficking ring of Jeffrey Epstein. Giuffre created Victims Refuse Silence, a non-profit based in the United States, in 2015,[2][3] which was relaunched under the name Speak Out, Act, Reclaim (SOAR) in November 2021. She has been interviewed by many American and British reporters about her alleged experiences of being trafficked by Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.[4][5] What do you think the cameras were on the beds for Foxy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompromat You act like you know everything already, which is why I bet you didn't read the links I shared, and it's also the reason why in truth you'll never know anything, because you think you already know all. Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 9:03:01 PM
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mhaze,
Here's a link that may be of interest: http://businessinsider.com.au/famous-people-jeffrey-epstein-money-manager-sexual-trafficking-connected-2019-7?r=US&lR=T Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 9:09:22 PM
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How come none of the 'compromise operations' regarding cameras focussed on the beds and toilets or Epstein having power of attorney for Les Wexner Foxy?
- Because the media aren't reporting much of the truth. They are just playing a little tune for the likes of gullible fools like you. It's on wikipedia, it's not a secret so why did none of you ever hear about this? Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 9:10:58 PM
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Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 9:16:16 PM
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mhaze,
Here's another link of famous people on Epstein's rolodex: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/jeffrey-epsteins-rolodex-famous-friends-and-acquaintances.html Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 9:26:08 PM
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Armchair Critic,
I bear you no ill will. I do appreciate your expressing your point of view and going to all this trouble to do so. I have nothing further to add to this subject. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 9:43:43 PM
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"Spiked" editor, Brendan O'Neill, indicates that the UK has moved on from Andrew and, given the age and health of the Queen, are starting to worry about the "political royal" Prince Charles, and how bad he could for democracy as King.
Some fondly believe that he will put aside his woke politics as monarch, but there is no guarantee that he will. The whole world has gone skew whiff, and the royals have become more a part that world. Some of them have showed his 'normal' they can act. Post Queen Elizabeth, the monarchy might play into the republicans' hands. Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 9:47:57 PM
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Should the Queen become incapacitated Randy Andy is one those in line to act on her behalf. WOW!
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 4:30:39 AM
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Foxy,
Your business insider link doesn't work. How is it that you can so readily and regularly copy entire paragraphs into your posts (unattributed of course) but can't copy simple links? Anyway, what you said is factually wrong. Trump never went to Epstein's sex slave island. Yet again you are factually wrong - big surprise. Epstein and his partner were killed because they were in a position to expose the rich and famous - the prime examples of which were the Clintons. Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 6:20:05 AM
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wasn't "the young lady" a minor when all this happened?
Because I thought she was, which makes the whole ordeal HIGHLY questionable and illegal. Posted by SierraHy, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 6:43:46 AM
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I'm not exactly sure Virginia Guiffre's (nee Roberts) age at the time.
She was approached by Ghislane Maxwell when she worked as a massage therapist at Trumps Mar-A-Lago. Maxwell was recruiting women for Epstein. Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 7:37:17 AM
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mhaze,
Thank you for your concern regarding my eyesight. As I explained some time ago on another thread I need surgery on my eyes. I've had one done and I've got the other to do. I do have problems with links as everyone has been able to see for sometime now. If you're interested in the "Business Insider" link? Armchair Critic was kind enough to give it correctly. So you can access it. As for the epic "bromance" between Epstein and Trump - all you have to do is Google it. Here's a link for you on some of what they shared together: http://vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/jeffrey-epstein-and-donald-trump-epic-bromance Enjoy! Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 8:49:21 AM
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The tart was 'old enough to carry two buckets of water' as they used to say when people were far more interesting than they are today, and when they were taught how to read and write properly.
Leave Andrew in peace. He has been worked over more than Jack the Ripper just because of his position in society - by people who have no respect for the royal family at all, but expect perfect behaviour from them. Start thinking about the real loony in the the family: King Charles to-be. Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 9:53:03 AM
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ttbn,
You're right. This has all been rather murky and it is well past time to leave. Australians will eventually decide whether they still want to be tied to royalty or not. Be it Charles, and Camilla or William and Kate. Best to move on. Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 11:03:31 AM
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The world of the rich and powerful is one
which most of us know so little about. That sense of entitlement they take for granted. It's the stuff of books, movies, media exposes, that give some people notoriety as well as wealth, while destroying the reputation of others. That's life, I guess. Back to normality. Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 11:13:47 AM
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Foxy
"Thank you for your concern regarding my eyesight." I'm not worried about your eyesight. Its the grey organ behind your eyes that I think needs an overhaul. " I do have problems with links" And yet you have zero problems when you plagiarise entire paragraphs. Quite the conundrum. Here's the thing about Trump/Clinton/Epstein....which your selective reading will never tell you. Around 2010, Trump found out that Epstein was hitting on under-aged girls at Trump's resort. Trump immediately had Epstein thrown out and banned for life. Trump was friends with Epstein until he found out the true nature of what Epstein was up to. In my world there's a mountain of difference between that and someone like Clinton who became firmer friends with Epstein the more he indulged in the pleasures of Lolita island. But that's just my moral code....your's is clearly different. Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 12:12:58 PM
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mhaze,
I know that you're a Trump supporter. However, the facts are that sex trafficer Jeffrey Epstein, former US President Donald Trump and madam -Ghislaine Maxwell palled around for almost 2 decades. They shared tastes for private planes, shady money, foreign-born models, and very young girls. According to the link I gave earlier in " Vanity Fair." We're told that - Trump's friendship with Epstein was a mutually beneficial connection. Apparently Trump's parties at the Plaza Hotel which we're told he owned at the time with girls as young as 15 were well known. Trump would go from room to room, filled with guys and young girls having sex, a lot of sex, a lot of cocaine, top-shelf liquor. It was a life-style of decadence. Trump and Epstein has a falling out not over under-age girls (hardly) but when Epstein sought to buy a spectacular ocean front mansion in Palm Beach Florida. Epstein was apoplectic according to "Vanity Fair," and became enraged when Trump beat him to the house and then put the house up for sale. Trump sold it to a Russian oligarch for $96 million in 2008. The two men never spoke again. I agree with you. Your moral code is certainly different to mine - clearly! As is the "grey organ" behind your eyes. You need to stop presenting lies as facts. There's consistently enough white lies in your posts to ice a wedding cake. Unfortunately, I doubt if that's going to change any time soon. You have all the virtues I dislike, and none of the vices I admire. Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 2:51:00 PM
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"Trump and Epstein has a falling out
not over under-age girls (hardly) " So the police reports on that, confirming that Epstein had been removed for inappropriate behaviour, were wrong? Foxy, clearly you are incapable of looking at the facts through clear eyes. Clinton went to Lolita Island 31 times, Trump zero times. But you can't see past Trump. You fall for the usual rubbish every time. That would be almost acceptable if, in a year or two, you looked back on your errors with circumspection. But you never do. Your past errors just get memory-holed. Remember this is the girl who fell heaviest for the whole Russiagate hoax but has learned not one iota from it Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 6:44:49 PM
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mhaze,
Go back and read the link I gave earlier. There's plenty more on the web. You keep deflecting when confronted with facts. Plus - You seem to take great pleasure in being an insufferable jerk on line. Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 9:15:34 PM
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Clinton went to Lolita Island 31 times, Trump zero times.
Do you, Foxy, think that's significant? I know you'll try to ignore those facts but its just fun to watch you try to twist reality to fit into your fantasy world. Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 24 February 2022 2:37:43 PM
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mhaze,
More diversion from you. What Clinton or any one else did has nothing to do with the fact that Trump did pal around with Epstein and Co. for more then two decades, he visited Epstein in many places, And - He did know and take part in having sex with under age girls, including in the Plaza Hotel that he happen to own at the time. He also fell out with Epstein over real estate. All of w3hich you have tried to deny and I have corrected for you. As the saying goes - " Just because you have one, does not mean you have to be one!" I'll leave you to figure that one out. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 24 February 2022 4:47:17 PM
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"He did know and take part in having sex with under age girls,
including in the Plaza Hotel that he happen to own at the time." That's rubbish....just more of your attempts to make reality fit your fantasies. Not the slightest evidence for those claims. Now I know you'll just refer me to some rubbish article you've dug up from some anti-Trump hack, but how about you provide actual evidence, not unsourced assertion, just this once. "He also fell out with Epstein over real estate." That's rubbish....just more of your attempts to make reality fit your fantasies. Florida police confirmed Trump's story about banning Epstein over his grooming of underaged girls. "What Clinton or any one else did has nothing to do with..." My original point, which obvious flew way over your head, was that Epstein and Brunel were both killed by people who had lots to hide and the Clintons were at the head of that queue. Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 24 February 2022 6:20:59 PM
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mhaze,
Oh, you're still here. Shoo. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 24 February 2022 8:50:11 PM
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Standard Foxy there. Whenever she realises she's talked herself into a logical dead-end she declares she doesn't want to talk any more.
Make up totally unsupported and supportable stories to suit her fantasies and then run like hell when asked to provide support. Its very poor form....but it is Foxy. Posted by mhaze, Friday, 25 February 2022 6:01:54 AM
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Queen Andrew, had taken over the queenly duties from Mom, whilst she is banged up with the bug, I think the bugs name is Boris. Imagine a week in solitary confinement, and all you have for conversation is a phone, every time you pick it up, whose on the other end, none other than...BUG RIDDEN BORIS!
The pain of it all. Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 25 February 2022 7:20:52 AM
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mhaze,
Keep on barking. That's all you've got. Posted by Foxy, Friday, 25 February 2022 8:22:39 AM
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"That's all you've got."
No Foxy, I've got evidence of you making up lies and running and hiding when called on to admit it. Posted by mhaze, Friday, 25 February 2022 9:05:49 AM
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woof, woof!
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 25 February 2022 9:07:54 AM
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Is it not against the Geneva Convention, and the Magna Carta, possibly even the Treaty of Waitangi and Mcdonalds refund policy, to force Her Majesty to converse with Bug Ridden Boris? Considering Good Queen Bess II is feeling a little under the weather, and is not her usual perky self. I have been in touch with the Palace this morning, with a cure for what ales Her Majesty, a Bex, a cuppa tea and a good lie down, cures everything, not necessarily in that order.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 25 February 2022 9:20:16 AM
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Kudos mhaze
Posted by Canem Malum, Friday, 25 February 2022 11:13:19 AM
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And the bad dog comes out to play.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 25 February 2022 12:26:31 PM
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"woof, woof!"
I have to admit that the less she says the smarter she sounds. Posted by mhaze, Friday, 25 February 2022 4:59:55 PM
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mhaze,
Thank you. Posted by Foxy, Friday, 25 February 2022 5:38:14 PM
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Hi Foxy,
Do you feel like me, left out, no kudos from the Kudos Nazi. Don't think I want kudos or anything else from a bloke who can't decide if a mass murderer was a good bloke, or bad bloke. He did say that, it tells you something. Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 26 February 2022 7:35:54 AM
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If you guys crave a kudos, say something kudos-able.
hint: "woof woof" or moronic stories about the Queen's health don't qualify. Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 26 February 2022 8:28:47 AM
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Dear Paul,
People like Canem Malum come from the same dark place that spawnes the likes of Anders Breivik in Norway, Darren Osborne (who drove a truck into Muslim worshippers in London in 2017) and Dylan Roof (who attacked black parishoners in a South Carolina church in 2015). As I told you earlier these sort of people are animated by a hatred of tolerance, equality, and multicultural values. They believe indiscriminate violence against unarmed civilians is justified. If Canem Malum were to give me any kudos - I would be very worried and know that I'm doing something dreadfully wrong. His support of Tarrant makes perfect sense. As for mhaze? Let him bark. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 26 February 2022 8:45:24 AM
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mhaze- Thanks for your posts- they are logical. Kudos. Didn't Foxy also have a recent eye operation? We may not always agree but your views are mostly useful. Who said that Communists and Socialists aren't hateful? "Thanks Stalin/ Hilary/ Trotsky/ Marcuse/ Locke/ Marx/ Mao/ Lenin/ Durkheim/ Bernays/ etc for my wonderful childhood".
Anyway thanks again mhaze. The below text is from another thread- http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=9739#330931 I understand that Paul1405's eye sight isn't what it normally is- so I'll leave him be. I'm not sure that Foxy's comments are helpful- but she probably thinks the same of me- if Foxy could show the same level of insight into her enemies then perhaps there will be less war. Anyway it's sort of pointless to call a black dog black... Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 26 February 2022 9:31:00 AM
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Hi Paul,
CM's opinion is expressed quite clearly at: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=97398<page=38 "You will never reach your destination if you stop and throw rocks at every dog that barks." (Winston Churchill). Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 26 February 2022 10:15:41 AM
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Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 26 February 2022 11:45:32 AM
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Dear Paul,
I've seen this brilliant film - "Downfall," made in Germany. Deeply moving scenes. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 26 February 2022 11:58:09 AM
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Downfall was made in 2004. I've watched it many times. Its one of the best movies about the period around.
Pretty accurate in its telling. The only part I found grievously incorrect was the final scene when the Russian troops allowed the women to escape when in fact barely any women in Berlin was spared multiple rapes. There are myriad 'parodies' of the Steiner scene floating around the WWW. eg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRYlA5-ARTY Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 26 February 2022 12:37:46 PM
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Absolutely brilliant (and scary).
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 26 February 2022 12:44:50 PM
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mhaze,
Your acting is very good, a natural in the role, and your German isn't bad but your subtitles don't match your mouth, but only a minor problem. CM will be along shortly to pin another Kudos Medal on you. BTW, you guys have to get some individual style, you all look alike. Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 26 February 2022 3:11:56 PM
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"Your acting is very good......CM will be along shortly to pin another Kudos Medal on you."
He doesn't need to. Your adulation is reward enough. Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 26 February 2022 4:03:54 PM
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And the amount is believed to be in the millions.
A portion of the money goes to the so called "victim,"
another to
her charity, and the final one to her lawyers.
A three-way split.
Andrew has chosen this tactic we're told to save
his mother's Jubilee celebrations this year. He's
been stripped of his honours, his title. His
reputation is in tatters.
Much as I would like to believe the not so young
lady. I don't understand how she managed to be so
lucky in getting this settlement.
She was hired by Epstein's female co-partner who
paid young girls to be at Epstein's beck and call
and provide sex to him and his clients. Prince Andrew
apparentl;y was one of the clients. The young "lady"
knew what she was getting into. How could she claim
she was "forced?" into anything?
She was there to provide sex. She got paid for it.
And - she has won a monetary settlement.
I'm not a great admirer of Prince Andrew and his sense
of entitlement. But I do feel that this time around he
got shafted in more ways than one. And he's paying for it.
The young "lady" has done very well out of all this.