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Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 8 February 2022 2:14:36 PM
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Some of us keep learning but there's no known way of teaching the stupid to be aware of their affliction !
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 8 February 2022 4:55:46 PM
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With gullible opinions like yours Foxy WWIII is a foregone conclusion.
You act as though Russia is still a communist country. Sure they were, but neither them, China, North Korea, Iran or any other autocratic regime has any choice to act the war they do any resist the West and its democratic ideals. Why don't we just declare open war on these countries right now and get those hypersonic nukes in the air? You want to know WHY they can't allow moves towards democracy in their countries? Because the second they allow free and open press or allow people to congregate and protest things - That's when the West will move to start a coloured revolution in their countries, and install a US puppet ruler. What do you actually think happened in Ukraine? The US started a coloured revolution, in the Maidan in 2014. They backed the Neo-Nazi Svoboda and Right Sector right wing nationalists to start a coloured revolution to oust the then Pro-Russian puppet ruler Victor Yanukovych in order to install their own, Arseniy Yatsenyuk and then Petro Poroshenko. Those Neo-Nazis nationalists are probably the grandkids of Hitlers forces from Ukraine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician) The eastern side of the country is more Russian where the western side is more Slavic. Do you recognise the UN right of self determination? The West screwed up their coloured revolotion, when Putin took the opportunity to move on Crimea. But the Crimean people voted to leave Ukraine upon that coloured revolution. First they voted to leave Ukraine, and then the voted to join Russia. http://youtu.be/95-QItX3I5A There's no theft of ANYTHING under the UN right of self determination. The Donbass region currently besieged HAVE JUST AS MUCH RIGHT - To UN right of self determination. Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 8 February 2022 4:59:23 PM
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The West agreed in 1996 that NATO would not move on Russias borders, it's a longstanding agreement, the US would have similar opposition if Russia moved back into Cuba. Picking on 2 nuclear armed countries Russia and China, on each side of the continent will only drive them together and harden their resolve to resist the West. They can't have a war unless they first SELL the war to gullible fools first. I think some of you people here show an amazing amount of ignorance as to how the world actually works. Do you want a war? Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 8 February 2022 5:00:59 PM
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I mean seriously - IF THE WORLDS WESTERN ELITES WANTED TO REMOVE AUTOCRATIC REGIMES
- In order to create a new world where the UN and Business elites had total control of the planet Do you not think it would take a WWIII to achieve? The elites know this and they have already planned for this. We're all just slowly getting pushed in that direction. They can't have that war until idiots like you lot (i.e the majority, it seems) Are incensed enough to support it starting it. You want to start a war Foxy? Well, happy to give you your gun and your uniform and your parachute and drop you in if you want. - But don't drag all the rest of the innocent people on the planet into it. Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 8 February 2022 5:09:58 PM
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Australia has no, absolutely no, national interests in Eastern Europe, especially Ukraine. Therefore we will stay out.
The US has no national interests in Ukraine and therefore should stay out. That might not be true of the US leadership - after all Ukraine has been the major source of income for the Biden family for the last decade. But the people of the US have no reason to fight for Ukraine. When the Pax Americana was a real thing, the US had a special interest in stopping naked expansionism wherever it might be. But that went out the window when Obama turned and ran over Crimea and the coup de gras was delivered with Biden's debacle in Kabul. Putin is pushing this now because he knows that the US under its current leadership is a paper-tiger. I still feel its unlikely he'll invade because there's every chance he'll get what he wants from the US and Germany without the need to invade. A properly led US would be calling his bluff by telling him that NATO will not expand into Ukraine but equally will never contract out of Eastern Europe or Scandinavia. But even if Biden said that now, no one would believe him - least of all Putin. Equally they should be telling him exactly what sanctions will be implemented if Russian troops cross the boarder. Indeed they should be passing legislation to implement those sanctions in the event of invasion. But they won't. On the other hand, not a single drop of US blood should be spilt defending Ukraine. Its true that the US has a moral obligation to Ukraine given that Clinton guaranteed their security when he convinced them to surrender their nukes. But people who believe anything Clinton says deserve what they get....well maybe not but they were fools to believe his guarantees. A nuclear armed Ukraine would be a very different proposition right now. Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 8 February 2022 5:20:30 PM
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http://france24.com/en/europe/20211219-amidst-simmering-tensions-with-russia-lithuania-calls-for-vigilance