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Dear David f,

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« … The United States does not have a head of state. Australia does. The United States at the moment is in a mess. However, they would be in more of a mess if they had a head of state. They would have to find a use for that person »
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Even though the US constitution does not specifically mention the term “head of state”, the president does, nevertheless, for all intents and purposes, assume the role and power of head of state as well as that of head of the executive – a little like the chairman and CEO of many major corporations.

Specialists point to Article II Clause 2 of the constitution as vesting the role and power of head of state of the US in the president :

« He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the Supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law … »

In any event, whether the president of the US is the head of state “de jure” or “de facto”, he is clearly indicated and recognized as such on the official websites of both the White House and the United Nations.

White House website :

« The President is both the head of state and head of government of the United States of America, and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces » :

http://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/the-executive-branch/#:~:text=The%20President%20is%20both%20the,the%20laws%20created%20by%20Congress.

United Nations website :

US – Head of state : His Excellency Mr. Barack Obama - No Prime Minister :

http://www.un.int/protocol/sites/www.un.int/files/Protocol%20and%20Liaison%20Service/hspmfm.pdf

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Saturday, 22 January 2022 1:24:30 AM
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Whether “de jure” or “de facto”, the role and power of the president of the US as head of state is not as symbolic as that which is largely (but not exclusively) the case of Queen Elisabeth II who is currently head of state of 16 Commonwealth countries (including the UK).

Neither the Queen, nor her viceregal representatives, the Governors-general, participate in any government business, international organisations, or meetings of heads of state (such as the UN, the G-7, the G-8, the G-20, or Davos, for example). She assumes her role as head of state exclusively for the constitutional monarchies created by 15 of the former British colonies, plus the UK.

In a constitutional monarchy, the role of head of government and head of state are separate, with a prime minister (head of government) acting as chief executive and the monarch (head of state) relegated to a largely (but not exclusively) symbolic representative role, with only marginal and occasional discretionary powers of impartial constitutional arbitration.

For example, in 1975, the governor-general of Australia, Sir John Kerr (acting on behalf of Queen Elizabeth II), dismissed the prime minister, Gough Whitlam, when the Senate refused to pass the budget. Both the Senate, in refusing to pass the budget, and the governor-general, in dismissing the prime minister and appointing the leader of the opposition, Malcolm Fraser, to office, were clearly within the scope of their constitutional powers on paper.

However, the extent to which their actions were permitted under constitutional conventions was and continues to be contested by some political pundits.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Saturday, 22 January 2022 1:35:38 AM
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Dear Banjo,

You are absolutely right. Since the heaad of government, the president, in the US also has the role of head of state the US needs no separate head of state. If Australia became a republic neither would Australia.
Posted by david f, Saturday, 22 January 2022 1:49:26 AM
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And the people endorsed the actions of the Governor General at the next election.
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 22 January 2022 8:21:07 AM
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The Queen [Crown] or the Governor General represents all the people yet has no power to introduce laws over the people but has the power to dismiss a tyranical law proposed by the government. An elected President becomes part of the Government that may act laws against the people. This is what Biden is doing in America by removing retirement funds placing them into Consolidated revenue. He is takeing away what people have saved for retirement to pay into the hands of illegal entrants flooding his presidentcy.
Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 22 January 2022 8:47:27 AM
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David, do not be ignorant as many of the pharoahs were born of virgins and were viewed as god on Earth. They were god's man on Earth. The Roman Church saw the Pope as god's man on Earth and they worshipped the virgin.

I am not a Roman believer but know all virgins were artificially inseminated to give birth to a particular line. They were to remain virgin till after the birth of the child.
Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 22 January 2022 8:58:25 AM
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