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I have just seen a repeat of the events in Washington on January 6th 2021 on ABC TV tonight.
His speech before the riots was shown. In it he said;
"We will walk down " then perhaps "there":- and then the speech stops
and it goes onto other video at the Capital building.

At the point that Trump's speech is cut I clearly remember him saying;
"and peacefully let them know we are there" or words to that effect.
The he finally said "go home" and that is where my recollection ends.

I remember when I saw it repeated a few days later the latter part had
been edited out. I suspect the editing was done by the US media.
However the edited version was used to beat up on Trump.
To so completely change the implication of his speech makes you wonder
how much we are subject to such distortion.
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 2 January 2022 7:03:35 PM
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how much we are subject to such distortion.
Bazz,
The holy Left knows no bounds nor do its supporters in that regard !
Posted by individual, Monday, 3 January 2022 5:34:56 AM
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On January 1, Trump said...."I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

Read the full transcript here....

http://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 3 January 2022 6:05:38 AM
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Hi Bazz,

It shall be interesting to see how this Trump saga
eventually plays out. I'm not making any bets on it.

The man has had quite an impact:

http://vox.com/the-hi9ghlight/22220177/capitol-insurrection-not-trump-inauguration

http://bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55640437

http://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/07/politics/fact-check-trump-republicans-electoral-college-objections/index.html
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 3 January 2022 10:10:41 AM
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cont'd ...

Sorry Bazz - I made some typos here's the link again:

http://vox.com/the-highlight/22220177/capitol-insurrection-not-trump-inauguration

The convenience of American amnesia.

I'm so glad I live in Australia.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 3 January 2022 10:15:52 AM
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Dear Bazz,

Haven't seen it cut out of anywhere.

Here it is in all it's awful glory.

http://youtu.be/pa9sT4efsqY?t=3454

Of course the high bombast and aggressive rhetoric completely over shadows it but it is still being held up as his get out of jail free card by desperate defenders.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 3 January 2022 2:02:57 PM
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No, it is not in that recording, there is a couple of short phrases
missing going down there "peacefully" and then "Go home".

The impression it gave me they were going to demonstrate and then go home was at Trump's request.
Next time I heard the speech I immediately realised it was different.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 3 January 2022 2:51:43 PM
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The desperate Trumpsters, its time to forget this turd.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 3 January 2022 5:19:37 PM
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As usual Paul, you missed the point.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 8:41:55 AM
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Intentionally of course.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 9:09:35 AM
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Love him or hate him, Chinease leader Xi Jinplng can't stop laughing at the "free world" oppersition, Trump, Biben Johnson and for a big laugh add Morrison. Even Putin laughs at these clowns, not Morrison, doesn't know who he is. The fruit cake in NK is even too smart for these clowns.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 10:03:58 AM
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Dear Bazz,

Trump clearly knew there were people in that crowd
who were ready to and intended to be violent.
And, he certainly did nothing to discourage that.

He not only did nothing to discourage it. He egged it
on with words like:

"If you don't fight like hell - you're not going to
have a country anymore."

"We will never give up, we will never concede. Our
country has had enough. We will not take it anymore."

"We will stop the steal."

The language in his speech was borrowed from combat
or war.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 12:34:17 PM
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Trump is a mqaster of hyperbole, and the left media interpret it as literal. However, there were groups among the protesters who were not Trump supporters who were just there to create trouble as identified by the reports.
Posted by Josephus, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 1:40:32 PM
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Josephus,

Not to take Trump literally?

The Los Angeles Times did an article on that
subject a few years back.

They summed it up as "fairly ridiculous hogwash," as
a prescription not to take an actual president of the
United States and what he says.

They point out that "when he says millions of people
voted illegally, how should the news media go about
taking that claim?

Are you suggesting that the man should get a free pass
whenever his mouth gets him into trouble?

They rightly tell us that "What a President says matters.
And that "credibility with citizens, aliies, and others,
is a finite resource, "easily depleted when you think
you'll never be held to account for what you blurt out."

http://latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-goldberg-trump-seriously-literally-21061206-story.html
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 5:55:58 PM
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Here's the link again:

http://latimes.com/opinion/op-ed-la-oe-goldberg-trump-seriously-literally-20161206-story.html
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 6:05:12 PM
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http://latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-goldberg-trump-seriously-literally-20161206-story.html
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 6:09:33 PM
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There's a significance difference between hyperbole and outright lying but those devout Trumpa-Loompas can't see it and mistake ignorance and narcissism for some sort of innate intelligence.

The worst thing Trump has likely done is to set the stage for another extreme right-wing candidate (but with brains) to finally trash what's left of their damaged democracy.
Posted by rache, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 6:39:35 PM
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One year on from the Capatol riots Trump continues with his 'Big Lie', the election was rigged and therefore stolen from him. Despite a 7 million vote defeat Trump can't get over his ego and accept his rejection.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 7 January 2022 7:23:10 AM
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There was certainly some dodgy stuff went on.
One counting room had a camera the no one working there knew about.
When they all went home a couple of people pulled a suitcase out from
under a table and fed them in.

In another case between the close of the days count and start next
morning the count for Biden went up 100,000. Hmmm
These cases were refused to be investigated by the court.

So who knows might have been a logical explanation.
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 7 January 2022 9:41:55 AM
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What if the Jan 6th insurrection had succeeded in
illegally installing Trump?

This is the question asked by USA Today:

http://usatoday.com/story/opinion/2022/01/04/jan-6-capitol-attempted-coup-trump/8912294002/

Read it and weep.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 7 January 2022 12:26:51 PM
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Bazz, what you are saying came from the Trump camp. I believe American democracy is a fraud. If Biden's mob stuffed the ballot box, so be it.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 7 January 2022 2:47:46 PM
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The strangest insurrection in history.

* number of people killed by the insurrectionist - zero.
* number of insurrectionists who brandished guns or knives inside the Capitol - zero
* number of insurrectionists charged with insurrection - zero
* number of insurrectionists charged with sedition - zero
* number of insurrectionists chaarged with treason - zero
* number of insurrectionists charged with conspiracy to overthrow the government - zero

The Claytons insurrection - the insurrection you have when you don't have an insurrection.

BTW zero is also the number of Americans charged with colluding with the Russians in the 2016 election.

Sorry to mention some facts. You can go back to your frantic and fanatical assertions now.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 8 January 2022 5:36:36 PM
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Oh do you want a non-zero number?

The number of FBI/government agent provocateurs at the Capitol on the day so far identified - 4.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 8 January 2022 5:40:40 PM
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No Paul, from my recollection neither was part of either party.
One was a lady computer consultant employed to monitor the computer
used in one states electoral organisation and she observed faulty
handling of ballots and she found that the computer had been connected
to an outside of the building terminal. When she reported that she was
told it was not her concern.
Another report, not necessarily the same one, found a number of the
ballot computers were connected to an overseas CIA area in Italy.
It might have been pefectly legitimate of course. Hmmm.

The other case was broadcast on TV, the count for Biden went up 100,000
between cob and oob the next morning. In Nevada from memory.
However no on took t seriously.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 8 January 2022 6:30:25 PM
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Bazz, do you think I care about phony elections in America. Why did 150 million bother voting at all. Even the Green candidate was a dill. Trump was an embarrassment for 4 years, and Biden is no better.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 8 January 2022 8:22:45 PM
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" Congress is still investigating the people and
organizations linked to the Jan 6 attack - the most
violent assault on the US Capitol since the British
attack during the war of 1812."

"The PBS Newshour looked back at what happened that day,
the lasting impacts on those who survived where the
investigations stand and the broader effects on
American politics, culture and democracy itself."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kvmasW_glUQ
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 8 January 2022 8:30:09 PM
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cont'd ...

Here's the full episode:

http://pbs.org/newshour/show/january-6-2022-pbs-newshour-full-episode
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 8 January 2022 8:48:21 PM
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Paul wrote:"One year on from the Capatol riots Trump continues with his 'Big Lie', the election was rigged and therefore stolen from him. Despite a 7 million vote defeat Trump can't get over his ego and accept his rejection."

No one doubts that Biden got more votes. The doubts are whether he got more voteRs.

Trump didn't need 7 million more votes to win. In fact he needs 45000 more in three states, each of which have found problems with their handling of the election. It's way too complicated and detailed to go through here.

But in recent poll the following question was asked..."“How likely is it that cheating affected the outcome of the 2020 presidential election?” 40% said it was very likely. A further 19% said quite like. Only 36% said it was unlikely. Even a large number of Democrat voters know it was stolen.

There's plenty of evidence that the election was stolen. Just because you don't want it to be true, doesn't make it so.
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 9 January 2022 2:21:33 PM
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The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency
and its partners said in a November 2020 statement
"The November 3rd election was the most secure in
American history."

"There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or
lost votes, changed votes or was in any way compromised."

Trump's own attorney-general, William Barr, said in early
December 2020 that the Justice Department had not seen fraud
that could have affected a different outcome in the election.

Biden won the presidency with 306 electoral votes which
Congress certified in January 2021 after the Capitol riot.

Senator Mitch McConnell, the Senate's top Republican stated
"Nothing before us proves illegality..." in his address to
the chamber before it was evacuated during the Jan 6 insurrection.

Since then a mountain of evidence including lawsuits, recounts,
forensic audits, and even partisan reviews and fact-checks
by various organisations have affirmed the results.

In the battleground states numerous audits and recounts have
affirmed Biden's win.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 9 January 2022 3:08:03 PM
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There's more at the following:

http://usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/01/06/fact-check-donald-trump-2020-election-results/9115875002/

"You can't love your country only when you win,
you can't obey the law only when it's convenient,
you can't be patriotic when you embrace and enable
lies." President Biden said.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 9 January 2022 3:18:53 PM
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mhaze, as a raving Trumpster keep beating yourself up over all this election fraud, vaccination nonsense and conspiracy theories.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 9 January 2022 3:22:55 PM
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As I said, the majority of USians now agree there was cheating. They obviously have more information and have followed it much more closely that you.

This whole thing is quite complex and way too hard to explain here. It also involves, in part, statistcal analysis as regards Pennsylvania which you'd never understand.

But just as one example in one country in Arizona, they did a pretty thorough check. They found....

284,412 ballot images were “corrupt or missing”
255,326 early votes don’t have a record in the county
173,104 votes were lost
96,389 ghost votes
23,344 mail-in ballots from people who no longer lived at their recorded address
17,322 duplicate ballots were discovered
9,041 mail-in voters returned more than one ballot
2,382 Arizonans voted in person who did not live in Maricopa County anymore
2,081 people who voted were no longer residents of the state
277 precincts had more ballots cast than residents

Biden 'won' Arizona by 10,000 votes.

You should look at the whole Zucker-bucks scandal....
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/washington-secrets/2020-zuckerbucks-in-8-states-90-10-to-biden-counties

Well not you but anyone interested in the truth.
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 9 January 2022 5:06:29 PM
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The Washington Examiner currently ranks as the
"far right" to "extremist" in ranking according to
Media Bias Fact Check.

It's a conservative propaganda tool designed to sway
people's opinion. It's not really a news source.

In the link given earlier - USA Today - tells us that:

"In Arizona, a six month audit of election results in
Maricopa County, home of Phoenix, confirmed the state's
election results. The audit was conducted by Cyber Ninjas
a firm hired by the Republican dominated state Senate and
whose founder had previously promoted unfounded claims of
voter fraud. Multiple hand recounts as well as a forensic
audit of voting machines, have also confirmed Maricopa
County's results."

The election results were legitimate not "rigged" as
Donald Trump claims. We can only feel sorry for such unhealthy
behaviour and beliefs and be happy that we live in Australia.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 9 January 2022 9:05:50 PM
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"It's a conservative propaganda tool designed to sway
people's opinion. It's not really a news source."

Standard Foxy there. If you don't like the messenger, ignore the message. And that Foxy is why you misunderstand so much of what happens in the world. Its most definitely how you came to fall for the whole Russian collusion hoax and the Rittenhouse fantasises.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 10 January 2022 5:27:41 AM
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I get daily reports from USA sources and even in strong Democrat States the Court found problems with votes. Trump was never going to win the State, but Democrats made sure he would not gain. Democrats voted against having identity checked at polling stations because they believed a substantial portion of country folk had no access to gaining identity. Yet everyone has bank accounts and drivers' licences- but it allows non-citizens to vote.
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 10 January 2022 7:31:44 AM
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Gentlemen,

You can continue to cast blame and support your lying
hero no matter what the evidence shows. The facts
remain America has a new President approved by Congress
and sworn in. Despite all the accusations - nothing proved
illegality anywhere. There was no evidence that any voting
system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any
way compromised.

You can continue to read papers like The Washington
Examiner which has been ranked by Media Bias Fact Check
as an "extremist" "Far Right" propaganda tool.

I have the foresight to understand that I will not be able
to change your opinion, beliefs, or behaviours and that
talking to you leads nowhere except dead-ends.

Talk to each other - and congratulate yourselves for having
the "wisdom" to know "the truth."

Have a nice day.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 10 January 2022 9:06:35 AM
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