Andras,

To quote from Wikipedia: (there are also other sources that say the same)

"The elements of the political system visioned by Atatürk's Reforms developed in stages, but by 1935, when the last part of the Atatürk's Reforms removed the reference to Islam in the Constitution; Turkey became a secular (2.1) and democratic (2.1), republic (1.1) that derives its sovereignty (6.1) from the people."

Thus you were utterly wrong and my statement that: "Either you lied or you simply shot your mouth off in ignorance." Stands.

You may freely take whatever offence you desire but the truth trumps your blustering accusation of defamation. And yes I do understand defamation laws.

ttbn I am ttbn towards you, a kind of New Years resolution I could have said; "YOU should be an expert on TURKEY being a big enough one yourself" but that would be unkind so I won't say it. Not to offend your sensibilities I'll simply ask; "How are your Geraniums this year? Doing well I hope." Can't be nicer than that.

Paul,

I could say that you are an expert on paedophiles given the paedos in the Green party, but that would be unkind so I won't say it. So not to offend your delicate sensibilities, how are the chickens in your garden. Can't be nicer than that.

"Beijing’s crackdown on billionaires, the fintech and social media sectors, the private education sector, ride-sharing and even entertainment created fear and uncertainty and wiped out billions, if not trillions, of value and wealth. Externally, the trade and geopolitical tensions between the US and China began spreading elsewhere."

"December saw two major defaults among China's debt-laden developers with both Evergrande and Kaisa missing bond repayments totalling nearly $500m (£369.47m) between them. The plight of the property sector is now taking its toll on regional government finances though, with the Financial Times reporting local officials are increasingly searching for new ways to bring in revenue, including forcing local businesses to buy equipment from government-designated suppliers. In the city of Shaoyang, in Hunan province, local officials have been auctioning off Evergrande projects in a bid to raise money. One official there told the FT: "Neither the government nor Evergrande has money... Someone else needs to fill the vacuum."

A downward spiral.

SM, please don't mention the CHICKENS, they destroyed my GERANIUMS! It offends my sensibilities. Talk of chickens and geraniums offends forum moderator TTBN as well.

Just out of the deep freeze with Covid, sorry Wuhan Virus just to keep on topic, so it's Chinese tonight from the Golden Dragon, best around here. Chef Xi don't do Turkey, but does very nice Peking Duck.

Mr. abusive, shouty and unhinged narcissist acting as shadowminister whose hubris precludes any understanding, hence, the bad knock off of Sky News AD for losers? No wonder Australia gets such negative perceptions from outside...... seriously, how will the LNP hold government in future with those like you desperate to become mini Trumps..... or hero worshippers; unless I guess many snowflakes like yourself prefer dictatorship to protect you?

Wiki states the formal system, but anyone with knowledge, understanding and experience of Turkey, most of all educated Turks et al., would laugh at claims of Ataturk promoting real social democracy via the 'legislature' aka Erdogan (and nowadays the GOP, LNP, Tories, Orban, Putin et al.). Just like there is no corruption because it's against the law...

Especially when Ataturk was reliant upon overarching control of democratic institutions, military, education, religion and media censorship while pluralistic and/or liberal democracy was bypassed while creating a cult of personality round himself; the terms fascist and dictator are descriptors used or heard (even within the Ataturk Enstitusu, you of course would know which university that resides with?).

Nor was Turkey ever really secular, and overbearing state structures left behind by Ataturk et al. allowed the military to continue its dominance of a 'managed democracy' (still described as a glass half empty and/or full). Exemplified in the first post General's (yet another) coup for 'democratic' government, with the first civilian President, General Kenan Evren whose first public words were 'allahu akbar' (that's Muslim).

Does not suggest strong secular or liberal democracy but like the 'Anglosphere', incompetent conservative nativist libertarians joined at the hip with autocracy, religion, ageing electorates and clearly dementia; by the way have you had a check, as anger is a clear symptom of confusion and frustration, is that dementia?

Andras,

You are a noisy abusive pinhead and a hypocrite to boot.

Secondly, considering that your "opinion" goes against every article and historical record I can find perhaps you can back your laughable ideas with some actual references?

Next, you should look up the meaning of secular government as clearly, your interpretation is deluded.