The tragedy of Alex Baldwin killing one person and wounding another highlights the ever present need for vigilance and safety consciousness when handling firearms.

It would seem that actors are not trained in safely handling guns and that they trust others to make sure that the guns they are handed are safe, a cardinal error that has led to the loss of more than one life.

Is Mise,

The accident on the "Rust" movie from what I've read
was the result of a "prop gun" that was supposed to
be a "cold gun" having live ammunition - which no one
knew it had. Prop guns are not supposed to have live
ammunition. This one did.

Safety precautions on set in general - have also been
severely criticized on this "low budget" film.

I feel so sorry for the female cinematographer who was
killed. Apparently a talented artist whith a great career
in front of her - as well as a wife and mother. I feel for
her family and son for this tragic loss.

The matter is under investigation. It will be interesting to
see what the investigation finds.

Is Mise

A shocking occurrence, all down to the the armourer who has admitted that she wasn't up to the job. No ammunition for the anti-gun lobby in this tragedy.

A shocking occurrence,
ttbn,
It's a shocking recurrence !

Ah! The wringing of hands from a couple of the 'Usual Suspects', with a claim of "nothing to see here", yes their is! With the proliferation of guns, coupled with lax gun laws in the United States, accidental and malicious shootings are a daily occurrence. This shooting happens to be high profile and is given extensive media attention, not so the thousands of of other US gun killings.

In the Australian context, we had the terrible example of John Edwards. Edwards was trained in the art of killing with a gun by over zealous members of the SSAA at their St Marys HQ in Sydney. Edwards then proceeded to tragically shoot dead his two children Jack and Jennifer in July 2018. With tighter gun control laws, and less zeal from gunnies this kind of tragedy can be avoided.

individual,

I don't know if there have been previous deaths due to incompetent or ignorant gun handling, but it is now out that the assistant director had been sacked for prop firearms problems before.

It is obvious that in play acting blanks should be used. What is not obvious is why there would ever be a need for live ammunition on a film set in the first place. I had thought to euthanase an accidentally injured animal, perhaps. But I don't think anyone but a vet or police officer can legally destroy animals willy nilly these days; so who knows? Not our business.

ttbn,
It’s not all down to the armoured at all; it’s 99% down to the clown who pulled the trigger because he didn’t check the status of the gun before he used it.
His actions shewed gross negligence as well as a lack of knowledge of firearms, which is strange because Baldwin makes his living, in part, by using guns to promote gun violence on screen.
One wonders how he manages to do this given his very public anti gun stance; perhaps hypocrisy comes naturally.

Paul,
Have you nothing to say that has not been refuted in the past?
No comments on Baldwins unsuitability to be anywhere near a firearm?
No pithy jokes?

Is Mise,

BS. Baldwin's job is acting. The armourer's job is looking after firearms. But, of course, I gave gave you another opportunity to disagree with me. I won't do it again. You post only to argue with someone. Get a life.

ttbn,
The first rule of firearm safety is. ‘ Never point a gun at something you do not wish to shoot.”
The second is that every gun is loaded until you personally, hands on, check that it isn’t loaded.

Baldwin didn’t observe the second rule, even in the film industry the first rule requires that the firearm be pointed 15. degrees away from a person to simulate direct fire, so he broke rule one as well.
Certainly the armoured must bear some responsibility as must the person who handed him the gun and told him it was safe, but Baldwin is the one who pulled the trigger after ignoring basic safety rules.

Personally, I stand right behind Baldwin....it's the safest place to be.

stand right behind Baldwin....it's the safest place to be.
mHaze,
Well, Baldwin is a full-blown Leftie after all !

People with guns, especially ones containing live ammo
are equally dangerous - be they right-wing or left wing.

Would it be possible to change the firing mechanism in prop guns so that they can't fire live ammunition?

Aidan,
Most prop guns cannot fire at all and ones used for blank firing can be so constructed that live ammunition cannot be fired.
That said many thousands of blank rounds are fired every year in simulated fire fights by military personnel with no injuries.
It’s all down to training and common sense.
Baldwin called the US NRA a terrorist organisation, had he taken their shortest safety course he would probably not have taken a loaded gun and fired it without checking its status.

Foxy,
It’s not quite true that no one knew that one of the guns had live ammunition in it; that someone is the person that loaded it.
Which brings up a whole new scenario.j

Issy, Alex Baldwin didn't shoot anyone. It was his mate Alec Baldwin. The irony of this high profile shooting is it took place on a film set that looked like Dodge City in 1880. Some members of the Shooters and Hooters Party and their coalition partners in One Nation would like to see Australia with the same lax gun laws that applied in Dodge City in 1880.

Issy, you know that SSAA members were complicit in the murders of Jack and Jennifer Edwards, they trained their father John Edwards in the deadly use of hand guns. They also sold him guns.

ttbn, please show some respect for Is Mise, he is now an honorary member of the GREENS

Personally I think charges should be laid against Baldwin, the armorer and the person who handed him the gun.
Charge them all, and see where the chips fall.
I don't care if its a movie set, it you point a gun at someone and pull the trigger, then it's your job to check its not loaded first.

Teach actors who use guns on set responsible gun safety, even if only blanks.
Teach them the difference between blanks and real bullets, and make it their responsibility to check before use.

Is there a genuine need for real bullets on set?
Maybe they need bullet holes in things for a true effect.

I bet the people who left the set in protest hours earlier were glad they did.
- It seems there were quite poor systems of management in place.

Paul,
As usual your sense of reality and history are deficient, no Australian gun owner wants to see Dodge City 1880s gun laws in this country; heaven forbid.
Suggest you do a bit of Googling on the subject of Dodge City and it’s laws.

Regarding Edwards he was considered a fit and proper person to have pistols by the NSW Commissioner of Police and that’s where the buck stops.
Twist things how you like you can’t escape that irritating fact.

Hi Issy,

Obviously John Edwards was not a fit and proper person to hold a gun licence. At what stage did the NSW Commissioner of Police sit down with Edwards to determine he was such a fit and proper person? Never, it was in the hands of the gunnie fraternity to make such a judgement and they failed. My point being, we should not allow the nut jobs of the gunnie fraternity to judge if other nut jobs should have access to guns!

There is between 400 and 500 accidental gun deaths in America every year. The tragic shooting of Halyna Hutchins highlights the fact that wherever there are lax gun laws people are going to be subjected to both accidental and malicious shootings. I simply say in Australia we must be ever vigilant, as there are those within the Australian gunnie fraternity, who with the backing of powerful foreign originations such as the NRA of America seek to "white ant" our robust gun laws at every opportunity, and they have been successful at times.

p/s Recently two leading gang members, Salim and Toufik Hamze were shot dead in Sydney. These people may well be criminals, but the fact is guns are in the community and are used by other criminals to murder people. At some stage these guns were no doubt manufactured by legal businesses, but ended up in the hands of criminals. Sometime criminals not only shoot each other, but they also shoot innocent people.

Is Mise,

Alec Baldwin in this incident was more than just
"an actor." He was both star and producer. And to
use the old adage - "The buck stops here," should
apply to him here. Questions have been raised about
the working conditions on his film. A small budget
Western movie of which Baldwin was in charge.

The Los Angeles Times cited several members of the crew
and others close to the production as saying six or
seven camera operators had walked off the set hours
before the tragedy.

It was also reported that there had been at least one
previous misfire with the prop gun. There's been
everything from lack of payment for 3 weeks, taking
hotels away, lack of covid safety, poor gun safety, poor
on set safety, and the list goes on.

A bad and sad tragedy resulted - but responsibility should
not be brushed aside.

"The Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party's lead Upper House candidate, Michael Banasiak, said in February that party members wanted sporting shooters to be given easier access to 'silencers', or 'suppressors' as they are also known."

Al Capone policy, would you not agree Issy. Party members indeed, who were they, the 'Hamze mob'! Issy do you agree the Shooters and Hooters Party is made up of two factions 'The Elephant Eaters' led by Tweedle Dumb, and The Wombat Killers under the command of Tweedle Even Dumber! Both factions support the policy of "Firearms For Five Year Olds" Disgraceful!

Paul,
Grow up.
Silencers are legal in many countries including New Zealand and the UK, they are seen as a safety device that lessens possible hearing loss.
That said I’m not in favour, being of the opinion that the hunted should get fair warning that hunters are around,I also like to know if anyone is shooting in my vicinity.

However a silencer can be very simply and cheaply made with items from your local supermarket, I won’t say how to make one except that it is necessary to drink the 500mil of milk in the convenient plastic bottle.u

Dear Issy,

That is not nice, silencers are used by criminals to cover their foul deeds, murders for one. Are the Shooters and Hooters in cahoots with the criminal class?

Revealed today at the ICAC that the corrupt Daryl Maguire was a big fan of all things shooting. He made reference to his association with the SSAA. Anything to say Issy?

BTW in 2019 the Shooters and Hooters leader in NSW said he favoured the removal of ALL gun laws, thus the reference from me that they have a policy of, "Firearms for five year olds".

Paul,
If criminals want silencers they make their own but can you point me to an occasion when a silencer has been used by a criminal to committ a murder?

You continue to make unsubstantiated claims, how about a reference now and then?
Regarding Edwards he was given a Commissioners Permit NOT on the say so of any gun club members etc.,they had nothing to do with the process.A Commissioners Permit is issued in the name of the Commissioner by the Police Department without reference to any outside body.
A person given a CP is a person who is already familiar with firearms and who does not have to do the mandatory training nor wait to purchase a firearm.

So how about you stop trying to score points from the murder of two children.

Foxy,
There were no misfires, unfortunately the gun fired perfectly.

Which brings up a whole new scenario.
Foxy,
precisely my point ! There's a strong possibility of pre-meditation.

Is Mise,

According to the Los Angeles Times newspaper there
had been at least one previous misfire with the prop-gun.

Foxy,
The Los Angeles Times is then reporting erroneously, not something new.
A misfire is when a weapon fails to fire, when the trigger is pulled on a live round and for one reason or another it doesn’t go off.
Misfire means the same thing the world over.

Hi Issy,

The SSAA has never apologised, nor admitted any degree of culpability in the murders of Jack and Jennifer Edwards. It was the SSAA which trained John Edwards in the use of a handgun and also sold guns to him. Sure, legally the SSAA mob were off the hook, it was all technically the fault of the Police Commissioner, but morally the SSAA and some members were responsible, nothing they will accept, what a cold hearted mob they are. Unfortunately that being legally in the right is of little comfort to the family of the dead children, and the rest of the community who fear the actions of people like the SSAA. At no time has the SSAA or its political arm the Shooters Party offered any condolences to those hurt by the tragedy, even after the children's mother committed suicide some months later. Nothing that can be done will bring those kids back, but it is a reminder to the community that we must be vigilant and ever mindful of the actions of the powerful gun lobby, and its political supporters who seek to undermine our robust gun laws, to the level of a Banana Republic or worse, the United States of America!

Paul,
The SSAA has never had any degree of culpability in the Edwards murders, suggest that you read this Coroner’s verdict.
Care to give a reference. to back up your other wild allegations?

Is Mise,

Read the following link:

http://latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

Foxy,
Already read it, but thanks for posting.
I reiterate there were no misfires, what are referred to by the reporter were said to be accidental discharges.
When a gun discharges it fires, the exact opposite to a misfire; do you see the difference?
Sloppy reporting, and there is no such thing as an ‘accidental discharge’, they are unintended discharges but never without someone or something being at fault.

Had Baldwin exercised rudimentary gun safety the unfortunate woman would be alive.