David Gonski has taken it upon himself to reproach members of the Loony Left who have attacked the new NSW Premier, Dominic Perrottet, as being "too religiously conservative for the top job".

The poor dears of the LL are also frightened by the Premier's large Catholic family, as well. They also believe that Opus Dei is a branch of the Mafia. Perrottet received some of his education at a school connected with that organisation, a spiritual and doctrinal one, which even has a mobile phone number if anyone is interested in finding out more about it.

As is pointed out in the SMH article, Catholicism is not some nutty fringe religion; and, as was stated some time ago by someone not connected to this discussion on the new premier, the current Pope is a Leftist more than he is a Catholic.

But, it's too much to expect the anti-Christian Left to pause its scaremongering and hatred until they find out how the bloke goes.

I will repeat what I posted on several other discussions:

The problem with labels is that they lead to stereotypes
and stereotypes lead to generalisations and generalisations
lead to assumptions and assumptions lead back to stereotypes.

It's a vicious cycle and after you go around a bunch of times
you end up believing that all Left-wing/right-wing. progressives
or conservatives, religious or non-religious people are bad.

I explained on another discussion that I listened to the NSW
Premier's Press Conference on Tuesday and I was impressed.
He spoke that he would govern for all the people in his state.
That there would be challenges but regarding separate issues
he would encourage a "conscience vote" on the issues - which is
fair enough. He stressed that he was a member of a team - and
would work as such and much, much, more. He should be given
a chance to govern and not be pre-judged.

cont'd ...

We need to wait and see how things develop. But
he should be giving the opportunity to prove
what kind of Premier he will be and if he does what
he said he would in his Press Conference.

With all their countless faults, give me a Catholic Premier any day over a looney Left one.
Catholics may be hypocrites but the LL are that & many other things including integrity-devoid.

ttbn, how about throwing up a name or two of these supposedly loony left people you're banging on about. I'm like Foxy, its not a person beliefs that count, but their actions. As we are not from that LL you refer to, so we differ in our opinions to such people if they exist. Opus Dei with its conservative Catholicism is a concern, but unless Perrottet acts on those extreme beliefs, then the people of NSW don't have a lot to worry about. This is like Morrisons fundo Christianity, while he keeps it in check then there is no concern to be had. Of greater concern are those politicians from the lunatic right of politics, Latham, Hanson and Kelly, they offer more of a danger as they have some power now, although limited, but still dangerous.

Indy, I think I would take all of them over a bigoted racists such as yourself in control.

Paul1405,
Are you a Parrot ?

Indy said, "give me a Catholic Premier any day...Catholics may be hypocrites" a little more than hypocrites. The Catholic Church in France has just admitted there were 3,000 paedophiles among their clergy, more like 10,000!

more like 10,000!
Paul1405,
Are you inferring the new Premier is a Priest ?

Even priests are human flawed beings like the rest
of us. However, the Church needs to deal much
better with the child sexual abuse within its ranks.
Denial and hiding things is no
answer. As for the NSW Premier? His religious beliefs
are his own business. He said that he intends to
govern for ALL the people in his state. We should give him
a chance to do so.

The new premier got off on the right foot when he lined up his ministers to advise the public of his Covid actions. When asked by a media scribbler where the Chief Health Officer was, he made it clear that he and his ministers make the decisions, not unelected public servants.

Excellent!

Political leaders in the past stupidly conferred sweeping powers on public health officials, thinking that the powers would never be used. Now, cowards that they are, they seem glad to have someone else to hide behind, even though it is they, not the unaccountable pen pushers who will be dumped if the public eventually wakes up to what an authoritarian country Australia really is.

I agree with David Leyonhjelm when he says, "The covid experience tells us that Australia is, below the surface, quite an authoritarian country".

Slendermans a whinging stick insect.
And FYI he's an unelected public servant too.

Called Mark McGowan a Gollum, so deserves to be called named himself.
- Then tries to take WA's revenues when his own budget, forecast and states finances are a shambles.
He screams unfair but NSW is already taking from other states.
- So he's likely an incompetant treasurer as well.

Also, nobody who looks that weird can possibly be normal.
That pencil-neck is in a class of his own.
And I'm not entirely certain weird looking bean-counters are leadership material.
He's not a frontman, he seems more suited to doing tax returns in shopping centres.

In 2008, Andrews as Victorian health minister gave Brett Sutton quasi dictatorial powers, supported by the opposition, including the both Liberal leaders during Covid; so, they couldn't, and didn't, say anything about rule by public servants.

In my own state, the premier still grins at the cameras while the CHO and the police commissioner do all the talking. He could learn from Perrottet.

Has anyone ever bothered to do a survey as to which group of people are the most unnecessary yet are a massive drain on our resources ?
In my opinion the improperly educated who were indoctrinated to think they are just so valuable to society are this group closely followed by the religious zealots on par with the greedy.
The basic everyday decent working citizens just go about producing wealth for & keep the Nation going. They might make the dreadful mistake of voting Labor occasionally but generally they're the least troublesome.

1,965 Covid cases and 5 deaths reported in Victoria this morning. Andrewsism is really working!

Individual, your rash judgments of who is least valuable in our society.
1. Improperly educated
2. Religious zealots
3. Greedy

You have failed to qualify what you mean by these groups. Do you mean by properly educated people who do not workd with their hands to create product, as you seem to imply in the rest of your claim,

" The basic everyday decent working citizens just go about producing wealth for & keep the Nation going.They might make the dreadful mistake of voting Labor occasionally but generally they're the least troublesome."

Of course the Labour Unions do not cause trouble- under what rock do you live?

What do you define as religious zealot? Let us hear what you mean!

The greedy - how do you define greed- as the development of improvements in society have been done with a motive to benifit oneself. If you have no drive to improve your situation over what others have done in the past, you will not accept change or improvements.

Josephus,
People who feel the need to question this in the way you did are a big part of the problem !

I like your question Indy, yes I do.

Once we get 'Seniors National Service' up and running the problem of the non productive group in society the aged welfare mob will be a thing of the past. A study shows of the four groups in society the old folks on aged welfare are the big problem. Group (1) Babies and Children, although not productive as yet, they have future production capabilities, as well as breeding potential. Group (2) Young Folk, well not fully productive, but plenty of years of usefulness and great breeding stock. Group (3) The Middle Aged Mob, well the real value in society, highly productive and producing tomorrows useful new stock. Group (4) The Old Folks, well those looking after themselves are no problem, its the no productive, burnt out fizzle group on aged welfare that we have to deal with. Besides 'Seniors National Service', there will be the annual questionnaire. Those that are still productive and earning their keep, will have no problems, and carry on with their duties to society. The failures, where they go, well I don't have to spell it out for you, do I.

Paul1405,
I'm looking forward to being your Drill Sergeant !

educated people
Josephus,
That reminds me of Mark Twain who said "I was educated once-it took me years to get over it".

Pauliar,

The failures go where you are.

Well we now see the heart of Hitler coming out in Individual and Paul who can easily dispose of people they feel play little part in their society. Their ability to reason and understand is clouded by economics as the criterion of the purpose of life. When life has deeper meaning than wealth and power - their god.

Come off it Proud Boy José.

Any nitwit including you, can see that Indy and myself are joking, as one who supported actual violence at the US Capitol Building 6th Jan 2021, which led to actual murder you can stick a sock in it. Hypocrite!

Never a truer word is said in jest. If you guys were in power children and the aged would be sent to the gas chambers as disposable and unproductive. No wonder the world has cause to fear the future under your devout terrorist policies. You pretend to be nice but you are the heart of evil, supporting the murder of children and the aged as supposedly making the World a better place. It is your political views that should be exposed to the people. The DEATH CULT!

Josephus,
That's pretty stupid thing to say & smacks of utter ignorance !
We've had the system you're in favour of for some decades now & look what we've got !
Criminals get assistance & the victims get persecuted. Bludgers get assistance yet the genuine needy get a bureaucratic run-around. Hard working people get basic wages & incompetent bureaucrats get top salaries !
Your favoured system created the society we have now. I bet you're even proud of it !

Individual,
Did you know that in this enlightened country that if your life is threatened and you report the threat and seek to have your potential attacker restrained, then if you are a licenced firearm holder your firearms will be confiscated by the police, thus leaving you defenceless?

Yes- Is Mise the legal process encompassing self defense process is interesting. I think that it favours the criminals and the ethnics and embodies a form of third generation interactionalist feminism- if you're black and a woman there is a second order disadvantage- the same for ethnic criminals.

Sorry intersectional feminism not interactional feminism.

When I was the victim of several thefts I enquired about legal aid & was told I'd have to hire a Lawyer, the culprits in one case were white & in the other three were black & they got legal aid provided at taxpayers' expense. Needless to say I missed out on Justice !

individual, just because you feel you have been unjustly treated by society and criminals. you pick on the weak and innocent over which you can hold power to carry out your injustice. Man you are sick! Children and the aged are not your enemy, but you sure want to terrorise them by your claims

individual,

Gee whiz! Have you really got the power Josephus attributes to you? Power over people? Able to terrorise them?

Regular contributor to Quadrant, Peter Smith, has spoken on how these days conservatives always seem to let us down. Boris Johnson is one. Now Perrottet (the original subject of this thread). Smith thinks: going along with Covid passports lets the side down, and makes him little better than Andrews. Medical apartheid.

Gee whiz! Have you really got the power Josephus attributes to you?
ttbn,
Astonishing, eh !

Josephus,
To try to explain stupidity to you is in the realm of impossibility !

Perrottet has blown it already by saying that Australia needs a post- WW2 type influx of 2 million more migrants to get the economy going.

Perhaps that's because the NSW Premier has personal
experience as to who the hard workers are in this
country.

Posted by ttbn

Perrottet has blown it already by saying that Australia needs a post- WW2 type influx of 2 million more migrants to get the economy going.

Answer-

How can Australian's respect a politician that doesn't respect the Australian people- not saying the leader always has to agree with the people- but he needs to try to understand them.

The strategy of constantly growing Australia's population to compete with Asian population growth is never going to work- and just creates more pressure and world conflict- better to teach countries of the region the techniques and advantages of being self sufficient- to empower them rather than selling out- Aristotelian Virtue rather than Liberal Freedom.

Perhaps he finds it difficult to relate to British Australian's not sure why- the Perrottet family whilst originally French has a history of being in Britain since the 1500's. Might be something to do with his Catholic and World Bank viewpoints. At least post WWII European immigration would be better than Asian- not that there is anything wrong with Asian people in their own context- Dostoevsky talked about the separation of people from their land created a loss of identity and meaning. Yuri Bezmenov talks about allowing foreign subversion into The West- under the auspices of openness- while the Japanese say "thank you- please go or we'll kill you".

Perrottet will probably be better than many others in the NSW Liberal Party- the party has principles that are in conflict with the interests of the British Australian people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominic_Perrottet

"born 1982- raised in West Pennant Hills- of 12 children. His father, John Perrottet, works for the World Bank as the Global Lead for Tourism at the International Finance Corporation. Perrotet's family were members of- Opus Dei.

educated at private schools Redfield College and Oakhill College. Perrottet was active in student politics while studying commerce and law at the University of Sydney and campaigned for voluntary student unionism.He went on to work as a commercial lawyer for Henry Davis York.

President of the NSW Young Liberals Movement 2005 and on the Liberal Party NSW State Executive 2008-2011."

Something only a racists would say; "not that there is anything wrong with Asian people in their own context" Its a condescending put down, the kind of people you can pat on the head and they'll smile back at you, right CM. The "intelligent" ones of the far right who like to quote Aristotle when they are not reading Mein Kampf. These "intellectuals" see themselves as a cut above the uneducated bovver boy types and its they who know their superiority to the lesser races of the world. In their eyes its not racism, its the way that the natural order of things should be.

CM,

I'm not sure that anyone thinks of Australian politicians in terms of respect anymore. I certainly don't respect them, no matter what brand they represent - and they do only represent themselves and the political machine that put them in parliament. And, as I said, mass immigration is all about them, their "club", their votes; not the country. It's us and them. All politicians, irrespective of party, are different from the rest of us, in a class of their own. They like each other, irrespective of party, better than they like us. They are now adding Big Business to their gang. The Chinese Communist Party has its own army, the PLA (nothing to do with the people or the country, like our forces); our political class has shown, during Covid, that it is using unelected public servants and the corporate sector to hide behind and use as enforcers in, e.g Covid passports, climate propaganda and attacks on fossil fuels. Not to mention wokeness, cancel culture, anti-white racism - the nastiness is unlimited.

ttbn,
I have come to the conclusion that Australian politicians are a product of this society !

Wasn't JFK a Catholic?

individual,

True. But there is not much that can be done about it. Even if Australians did take more interest in who was going to run their lives for the next 3 years after an election, what can they do when they get no say in who gets nominated in the first place.

And, once upon a time, you could vote for a party even if you didn't like the candidate, and you would know what the party stood for and what it would do. The Coalition stood for something, Labor stood for something else. That doesn't work any more. Neither party any longer stands for anything in particular; we don't know what any of them will do from one week to the next. The current mob beat Labor because of Labor’s unpopular climate policies. Now Morrison is adopting those very same policies.

During Covid, we have virtually been a one party state. The opposition has done sweet FA

That got away from me before I had finished.

As I said, the opposition did sweet FA. The next step could well be an actual one party state. We won't be standing up to China. We will be China. The bastards are not hanging onto the powers they have taken for themselves for our health and safety. They just want the power for power's sake.

Wasn't JFK a Catholic?
Posted by Hasbeen

Answer- The time of JFK was very different. But yes- Masons, Catholics, Protestants. Topology and landmarks.

Until Kennedy got the top job a Catholic was considered unelectable to the presidency, that's how deep the religious divide is in America, today a declared atheists would not be elected. US Presidents have always made great play of their "godliness" and how god dictates everything they do, even the killing of millions in America's unjust wars was the work of the hand of god. Many American treat past presidents with the reverence of a god, like the warmongering fools Washington and Lincoln. Americans love god so much they have given him the same reverence as money, in the 1950's they had "In God We Trust" printed on their banknotes. When your god has reach they status of hard cash you know you're on a winner!

Just having a quick look at the demographic of Australia, apparently, roughly 24% of NSW identify as Catholics.

I am happy for all the idiot left whingers to pile on to the new premier for his religious beliefs as they are probably assuring him of winning the next election.

The voters will decide on how well the Premier governs
for the state. I said earlier in this discussion that
I was impressed with the Premier's first press conference
where he made it quite clear that he will govern for all
voters in his state. That he is a team player. And that
and controversial issues will be challenging but there
will be a "conscience vote" allowed. Which sounds fair
enough. I can't understand why all the fuss about the
man's religion. He seems to be doing a good job and
governing as he said he would.

ttbn said- "I'm not sure that anyone thinks of Australian politicians in terms of respect anymore. I certainly don't respect them, no matter what brand they represent - and they do only represent themselves and the political machine that put them in parliament. And, as I said, mass immigration is all about them, their "club", their votes; not the country. It's us and them. "

Answer- Yes I'm sure many of us share these thoughts. Sometimes I'm unsure if their actions are a result of the burden of leadership or the burden of being an idiot.

We have our own burdens.

The Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party has not bloted its copy book, and has done its job well in representing its constituents. There has been no scandal associated with any of the members elected to Parliament.

Issy, what about Fat Bob and the elephant eating scandal? When the Greens asked him was what he did with all those elephants he shot in Africa, Fat Bob said he ate them, we think he lied to parliament. Even Fat Bob could not eat 100 elephants, 50 maybe, but a 100 never! Where has Fat Bob hidden all those dead elephants? Painted their toe nails red and hid them upside down in the strawberry patch, so no one would recognise them.

Issy, did you see, the banks are refusing accounts for 'Gun Shops' (true) on the grounds of criminal activity. What do you say to that?

BTW that local jelly shooting shop in my area CLOSED UP, Hallelujah! How are the local gunnie nut jobs going to get their jelly ammo so they can get their rocks off on weekends?

Is Mise- The Shooters Fishers and Farmers seem to be doing good work.

As he is now promoting even more immigration than before the Covid fiasco, the sooner he departs the better. That he doesn't seam to care where the immigrants come from at least clears him of any bias toward catholic folk, even if it shows him to be a bit thick when it comes to thinking.

CM of course they are. With all that shooting, fishing and farming not to mention farting going on they have no time for politics.

Issy, serious question, what is the best flavour jelly for my Aeroplane 360 Jelly gun? I've been shooting raseburies at the old bloke next door, but he won't go down. What do you suggest? Tutti-Frutti maybe. Where have the Gunny Jelly Nut Jobs gone?

Politicians have the right to have huge families of their own. They have no right to instigate mass immigration, which lowers the GDP per person, gives us crowded cities and poor infrastructure, and an enormous strain on the environment we are supposed to be worried about.

We all got a bit too excited by the removal of Gladys the Left, but now it seems that Perrottet will be a Boris Johnson sort of conservative, as most of them are becoming.

Yes by all means lets ignore the calls from business
groups and aged care and hospital service providers
who say they are desperate for staff.

Lets ignore the fact that migration is vital for business
and the economy. Lets not hear the message. Lets simply
brush aside that fact that without imported skilled labour
most of Australia's biggest infrastructure and nation-building
projects will move offshore.

Lets also ignore the fact that millions of baby boomers
head into retirement. Lets forget that even before the pandemic
we've had growing skill shortages as our population ages.

Let this country go back to the cultural backwater that it
once was! Fortunately most Australians don't think that way.

Then iet’s do what most Arab countries, particularly Saudi Arabia do, contract labour for two years at a time and no hope of settlement or citizenship; works for them, no labour shortages and no migration.

Is Mise,

I can't believe that you actually believe in doing
what you've just suggested.

Saudi Arabia has one of the most abusive systems in
the region and millions of workers are entirely at their
employers' mercy.

Millions of migrant workers fill manual, clerical, and
service jobs in Saudi Arabia constituting more than
80% of the private sector workforce.

They are governed by an abusive system that gives their
employer excessive power over their mobility and legal
status in the country. The system underpins migrant
workers' vulnerability to a wide range of abuses from
passport confiscation to delayed wages and forced labour
leaving migrant workers at high risk of abuse.

That is not what we want in Australia.

Foxy,
We don’t have to be ruthless like the Saudis; fair wages based on Australian award rates and the protection of the law, but no settlement rights.
Our labour shortages would be over and there’d be a queue, Australia would be much preferred over Saudi Arabia et al.

Lets ignore the fact that- young British Australian people find it hard to get their first job in British Australia- their own country- yet we are importing people- rather than training them.

Lets ignore the fact that- businesses talk about free trade when it suits them- what ever the market price is for a service- but talks about gaming and distorting the market when it doesn't.

Lets ignore the fact that- communism and corporates are on the same side on the immigrant workers issue.

I don't believe that- migration is vital for business
and the economy- this is a convenient piece of propaganda.

Foxy said- Let this country go back to the cultural backwater that it
once was!

Answer- How does one define "cultural backwater"? Is it really desirable to be the opposite of "cultural backwater". It's probably offensive that Foxy compares Australia's history and culture as the equivalent of a quiet pond filled with poisonous blue green algae- probably something that Foxy feels should be burnt out with a white hot poker- similar to her views on British Australia. I suppose that communists and globalists try their genocidal policies against British Australian's under cover of some tenuous guise. I guess that the globalists will tie us up and gag us and run us over with their "racist anti-racism".

Foxy said- "millions of baby boomers
head into retirement." (and we need immigration to take care of them)

Answer- This is similar to saying that we should give drugs to addicts because they'll be in pain if we don't. Some say "two wrongs don't make a right". Why do people feel that having children is problematic- is it due to our "advanced" family court/ law situation- is it due to our "free" education system. It seems to me that people and children become devalued in mass societies. The problems in western society are probably not going to be fixed by just bringing more people in- especially large numbers from vastly different cultures.

Without immigration we will find other ways to deal with our problems- the baby boomers lived in a time of growth but learned by some suffering- they can adapt to living without immigration. At least they will die with their own kind. I can only hope- as Socrates said I'd prefer to die now in my own community rather than live and die in a foreign land.

We can only grow so much- we need to learn to live with what we have- and try to help others in other parts of the world do the same.

Is Australia British? Are most Australians British?

I looked this up on the web:

http://quora.com/Are-Australians-British

The answers came back as - NO!

Australia
is its own sovereign country and what may have existed
prior to 1940s - not longer does.

Australians no longer
travel on British passports. If they want to live in or
travel to Britain - they have to apply like any other
foreigner. The fact that our head of state is still Queen
Elizabeth is an anomaly and I expect this to change within
our lifetime.

We're told that -

"Of course we have a subset of Australians who consider
themselves British by ancestry or birth if they've NEVER
been naturalized or become citizens."

We're also told that -

They are NOT - a) Australians or b) in the majority.

"Some white Australians have ancestry from the British Isles
but would not consider themselves British. Including those
who had parents or grandparents born in England, Scotland,
Wales, or Northern Ireland. Then there's a big proportion
of that group who are of Irish ancestry."

" Other white Australians hail from a huge variety of countries
led by Greece and Italy and then from across Europe in the
post war years we have had immigration from Asia since the
19th century (the gold rush era) and then again from the
1970s onwards."

"And our Indigenous people endured throughout all these waves
of immigration having been here for 60,000 years with few
incomers until the convicts started to arrive."

"On the Australian Census people are asked to state their
ancestry. Most say - "Australian" the rest say all sorts of
things - Italian, Greek, Somali, Scottish, Irish, Welsh, and
English."

"After the UK started to place all kinds of restrictions on the
entry of people and good from Australia. Most Australians
began to realize that we are no longer British."

And as stated previously the fact that our head of state is
still Queen Elizabeth is an anomaly and we can expect this to
change. Because someone has British
ancestry - that's ancestry - it does not make them British."

Foxy,

If you look up the demographics roughly 2/3rds have British heritage, climbing to 3/4 if you count the Irish.

shadow minister,

So what? Many have British ancestry.

But that's ancestry and it does not make them British.

On the Australian Census people are asked to state their
ancestry. Most say "Australia." The rest say all sorts
of things - Italian, Greek, Somali, Scottish, Irish,
Welsh, and English.

cont'd ...

shadow minister,

Back to the question of - what percentage of Australians
see themselves as British?

With an exception of a small grouping of British immigrants,
the answer would be NONE. Wee see ourselves as Australians.

A question for you - who do you barrack for when Australia
plays England in the cricket?

And I would bet that when some ignorant, radical conservative
says something ignorant and insulting about Aussies - that
person is going to need surgery to get that Union Jack our
of his rear end along with the flag pole.

shadow minister,

Just to lighten things up a bit ...

Taken from the web:

"We like the Brits. They're kind of like that uncle
that w2as cool at school many years ago and still
acts like he is cool now. We smile and chuckle at
his sarcastic humour but deep down feel a bit sorry
that the sun has set on his glory many years ago.
Despite that he's still a good uncle, just a bit
trashy."

"Our pity is not from arrogance. Aussies accept the
trashy ones that move to our beaches (Bondi). A few
days of vitamin D giving sunshine, loads of
welcoming smiles and you would never know they were
once Brits."

I think that Foxy possibly wants to wipe out British Australian's- yet doesn't see this as genocide.

Dostoevsky talked about the Nihilist Communists that wanted to destroy all things traditional in The Demons of the 1870's. I guess that Foxy might be edging towards a similar position- if she isn't there already.

CM,

These references to obscure Russians novelists and alike, is that you way of big noting yourself on this little forum. Do you think your far right fan club in the peanut gallery have read your coffee table novel. Heck, they are flat out getting through their Marvel Comic collection, let alone blokes writing in Russian.

BTW, Foxy is not out to destroy all that Britishness of yours.

Foxy,

Most Australians are of British heritage, the language is English, the laws are based on English law, the sports are English. Aus is sovereign and independent as are adult children from their parents.

I am not anti-British.

I am pro-Australian!

There is a subset in this country who consider themselves
"British" by ancestry or birth if they've never been
naturalized or become citizens. But they are NOT -

a) Australian.

or

b) In the majority.

There are many white Australians who have ancestry from the
British Isles but would NOT consider themselves British,
including those who had parents or grandparents born in
England, Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland. Then there's
a big proportion of that group who are of Irish ancestry.

Dear Paul,

I can understand these people - who still yearn for the
emotional or institutional connection or identify themselves
with Britain. Their "national pride" can be attributed to a
hang-over from their parents who were force-fed nationalism
at breakfast.

But not everyone is a twat.

The world is full of good and not so good people. We are not
born bad. We are not to be held accountable for the
indiscretions of our ancestors but we must always understand
and learn from their misdeeds in the hope that they will
never happen again.

The British Empire was bad. It's colonialism was bad.

These are not unique to England. These are political power-grab
ideologies that exist all over the world. The majority of us
do NOT favour these histories and their after maths.

The final constitutional ties between the UK and Australia
ended in 1986 with the passing of the Australia Act 1986. Due
to Australia's history as a colony of Britain - the two nations
share threads of cultural heritage - many of which are common
to all English speaking countries.

As for Canum Malum?

I feel sorry for him. The sun has set on his glory many years
ago. I pity him. He keeps beating the same old drum. But -
that's all he's got.
Lets let him be.

shadow minister,

Back to the question of - Australia still being under
British rule that you raised:

We are a completely sovereign nation that makes its own
laws and pursues its own economic and social interests in
our region of the world.

Taken from the web:

"Since the 1970s when PM of the time, Gough Whitlam abolished
Privy Council of Britain and established the High Court of
Australia as the highest court of appeal (the High Court
already existed but abolishing the Privy Council in Britain
paved the way for the High Court to become the highest court
of appeal). The monarchy had been stripped back to nothing
more than a ceremonial role and Australia will undoubtedly
become a republic in the not too distant future."

"Technically the Queen still has to sign off on changes to our
laws and to the constitution. But this is not physically done
by the Queen but done by a PM or Premier (at state level),
elected Governor (at state level), and Governor-General at
federal level. All of whom MUST hold full Australian
citizenship (not British)."

"So, basically the Queen's rep is an Australian. In fact there
has been a recent debacle within our Parliament and ministers
who had dual British/Australian citizenship being ousted from
Parliament. That is, any representative in Parliament MUST
denounce their dual citizenship and be a full citizen of
Australia."

I assume to ensure their commitment to the country and to
ensure no conflict of interest.

Britain today is seen as just another allie of our country these
days, like America, NOT as having any REAL or tangible
connection to the running of our country and, as stated earlier,
our economic and social interests in the Pacific.

The Republic debate looms large over Australia. My guess is that
within the next 10 years (or less) we will either be well on our
way to becoming a republic or already BE A REPUBLIC.

Foxy,

There is no conflict between what either of us said.

shadow minister,

Thank You.

I think that perhaps the setting of the sun for Foxy is a synonym for death. If Foxy could just allow others to live then perhaps things would be ok. Perhaps I'm coming around to Foxy's live and let die philosophy.

Perhaps unlike her inference Foxy is the pond of blue green algae projecting herself as human.

The setting of "the sun" a synonym for death?
Hardly - It's simply stating the historic facts
taken from the UK national archives of how the British
Empire changed throughout its history and how there
was a steady decline of the Empire after 1945.

By the
late 1960s, most of Britain's territories had become
independent countries and Britain today is seen as just
another allie of our country these days, like America.
NOT as having any REAl or tangible connection to the
running of our country and our economic and social
interests in the Pacific.

After the UK started to place all kinds of restrictions on
the entry of people and goods from Australia. Most Australians
began to realise that we are no longer British.

Once again, I'd like to clearly state - I am not anti British.

I am pro-Australian.

cont'd ...

" We are one, but we are many
And from all the lands on earth we come
We'll share a dream and sing with one voice
"I am, you are, we are Australian."

As for Canem Malum's questioning of me as a human being?

Most of us on this forum do
try to speak as open-minded human beings who share
the views of other open-minded human beings all
around the world, (including family and friends who
live in the UK). And we try to respond to most posts
despite the ignorant, radical, and insulting comments
directed at us.

However, we do need to remember - what
the American comedian Milton Berle (1908 - 2002),
once asked:

"Why are we honouring this man?
Have we run out of human beings?"

Wisest thing would be not to add fuel to the fire or give
them a platform. Of course it does not always work.

As Steel Redux told CM:

You're not an Australian - so "Nick off!"

Gee Foxy,

The Forums pseudo-intellectual, and resident stand in for Hermann Goring, has shot his mouth off and is calling you "blue green algae", next thing you know he'll be quoting Groucho Marx to us.

CM, may the weenie sprinkles continue to populate your head, and the unmentionable parts as well.

Dear Paul,

Thanks for your concern.

However, Jacques Cousteau explained that:

"About two thirds of the oxygen in our atmosphere is
produced in the surface waters of the sea by phytoplankton,
the minute forms of algae that give the sea its slightly
green hue, and which initiate the entire food web of the
ocean."

And Groucho did stress that "Anyone who says he can see
through women is missing a lot."

Instead of asking how Anglo is Australia, it would also
have been relevant nowadays to ask - How Anglo is Britain?

But that can keep for another discussion.

Take care.
Stay safe.

I guess that Foxy wants to see Australia and Britain as being less Anglo as she doesn't think Anglo people- and especially the culture- should have the right to life. Maybe she'll get her way and have Anglo people wiped from the book of history into oblivion- like a knife scraping the pastry off the bench.

Foxy said- "Let this country go back to the cultural backwater that it
once was!"

Many British Australian's are happy in their own skin- even if Foxy thinks of them as "pond scum"

Canem Malum,

I can't be held responsible for what you think.
I have no control over that.

However, I do not
think of the British people as "pond scum" as
you say I do. I do not want any one wiped off the
face of this earth. It's you who seems to have a
fixation with death, and algae, and wiping people out
- not me.

CM, not sure if you are a Morris Dancer or a Bovver Boy when it comes to all this Britishness of yours. I don't think fourth and fifth generation Australians give much thought to ancestry, or even care a hoot about it. Mine is mixed from British to Aboriginal and lots in between, but I very much consider myself Australian. When you throw down one of your pork pies, do you consider the possibility that someone of Jewish origin may have been in your ancestry 500 years ago, I don't.

How about one of your quotes from Harry Stotle on this, then splash around a bit of your famous kudos for the peanut gallery, they love it, It goes down so well before breakfast.

cont'd ...

As for Australians of British ancestry?

I'm sure that like all other Australians,( be they of Greek,
Italian, or any other ancestry) - most people have their
individual differences and I would not presume to generalize
about their happiness or misery. That's a personal matter for
them to solve. Many Brits left Australia early on because
they found the life here not to their liking - as did
people of other ancestries.

Foxy said- "Let this country go back to the cultural backwater that it
once was!"

Answer- A backwater is a pond of still water and because it doesn't flow can be prone to disease and dead fish as well as algal blooms. Saying that Australia was a cultural backwater during the White Australia policy is like saying that Australia's Culture was sick and diseased during this period and so needed to be cut out with a scalpel. Since the time of "the terror" in the 1790's Madam Guillotine Communists have talked equality but in a sense the so called fascist west has been the ideology that has done the most for equality. When socialists and communists get their way it usually means less equality for the masses.

Paul1405 commented quite rightly on the uninformed view that Dostoevsky is irrelevant to the west and Australia in particular. But Marx traveled between Manchester, Paris and Russia between 1850 and 1880's so you can see how his ideology may have spread to all parts of the west. Also one sees the same ideology discussed in todays society.

I've an engineering not a literary background but I try to learn the classics- the internet is great as it often presents complex books in simple forms through short animations- if one cares to look- and if one is aware- much can be gleened from this.

Dostoevsky's The Demons was based on the late 1860's murder of a communist (Ivan Ivanov—at the Petrovskaya Agricultural Academy in Moscow) that decided that the group was too extreme (murdered by Sergey Nechayev and the Nechayevists).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demons_(Dostoevsky_novel)

Dostoevsky also wrote The Idiot also seemingly about Communism.

Dostoevsky's ancestry hails from a region that was part of the Lithuanian Empire (the Pinsk region) his father a doctor and he was an engineer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fyodor_Dostoevsky

Oh Dear.

Canem Malum has either deliberately
misrepresented what I said
(on the top of page 10, of this discussion) , or he
prefers to give his own interpretation on what
he thinks people have said. Not on what they actually did
say and in what context.

So with all due respect I shall try to clear things
up. Blind Freddie could see that what I said was -
sarcastic.

It included - sentences like - "Yes - by all means lets
ignore the calls from business groups and aged care and hospital
service providers who say they are desperate for staff..."
And more... - ending with -
"Lets this country go back to the cultural
backwater that it once was. Fortunately, most
Australians don't think that way!"

That sentence was left out by CM.

Hi Paul,

One of my favourite works of Dostoevsky was -
The Brothers Karamazov." In it was "The
Grand Inquisitor." Which even today I
find interesting. Worth getting hold of.

I understand that Foxy wants to create a world where British people don't have their own territory. She must have a reason for her beliefs.

On a different topic I was reading- I was surprised too- it's interesting that Lithuanian Jewish people were some of the most persecuted in Europe in the 1940's and for whatever reason went from 45% of the population in Vilnius to about 2000 a few years later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_Jews

Jewish Lithuanian's must think that their situation is so unfair- and perhaps anything can be justified in order for their culture to survive- even the genocide of other peoples- in the struggle for power and security.

Communism and French revolutionaries justified 'The Terror' in the name of freedom and equality. I suppose this is just the way that Humanist Nihilist's express their love of humanity. Some might call this Hate but obviously need re-education- to death if necessary.

Perhaps two cultures can at the same time commit genocide to each other- all the while both pointing the finger. That doesn't mean that both are equally entitled to the territory.

In many cases immigration propaganda appears to have been used to justify invasion.

The British Culture needs to learn that many we help will treat our kindness as a sign of naive weakness- reminiscing on stories such as Foe's Moll Flanders.

The Australian business community often has a short term "power" vision in contra distinction to the legitimacy of British Culture's legacy to their descendants.

Classic Machiavellian divide and conquer.

Why is it fair for some cultures to claim their legacy but racist for others?

There will always be conflict between cultures- forcing them together just emphases it- each competing for dominance- and it's hard to understand what is happening because the borders between the cultures has been purposefully blurred. We need borders between cultures and nations

There will always be "confidence artists" convincing you that it's your moral duty to give your life and belongings and heritage to them. They don't care for you! That doesn't mean that you don't sometimes do "nice" things to set a good example- transcendence.

Your ancestors fought for what you have today- taking a dry lifeless continent and making it support life- creating blood from the stones by indomitable will- don't let it end with you- your declining descendants cursing your name as your family becomes dust.