The people of Afghanistan have been displaced from their homes and their place of living and functioning has been forced into disarray, that many there simply cannot cope with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tShj2FpLRzE

Yet the Prime Minister of Australia, will only take a small number of Afghan people into Australia on humanitarian grounds. It is unlikely he will change his mind to take more people.

With that to consider, would you open your heart and doors to the people of Afghanistan? Would you pledge and allow someone to stay and live in your home and pay basic costs to look aften them? This is to send a message to the Australian government to allow more Afghan people to reside in Australia.

The very last thing we need in Oz is to inject the tribalism, & war lord mentality that rules Afghanistan into the already damaged Oz culture. As if multiculturalism has not done enough to develop warring subcultures here, Nathan wants to bring in another bunch of misfits.

Mate they can't even get along with their same ethnic neighbors, & you want to inflict them on us. Fair go.

How many Afghanistanies moved to Russia when the Russians pulled the pin?
I shouldn’t imagine those numbers to be a stampede.

Another point, since the Chinese neighbours have been snaking around doing deals in Afghanistan, why not immigrate to China as an alternative.
There are 260 million foreign workers in China, so a few from Afghanistan wouldn’t tip any balances.

So there you go, three options apart from a new flood of ME refugees into Au.

Dan

I stated three options and neglected to mention the third.
IE. stay at home and fight your own battles.
Now that is an ideal option.

Dan

Hasbeen,

<<Mate they can't even get along with their same ethnic neighbors>>

I hope you don't have any. If anything in terms of not getting on with others, you have already created such division.

The topic also states: "Would you open your doors to the people of Afghanistan?" This refers to your door, my door, the doors of others. It is not something that can be forced. It may also be the case (although I wouldn't agree) a person could stay on a property and not step a foot within a public realm or any public place, to appease your concerns.

Dear Nathan,

Unfortunately, I am in no position to offer my home to anyone.
However, I do believe that our government could
increase the number of our refugee intake to match
that of Canada.

If they’re not Muslims then let more in..

Not a problem Nathan, I would have Afghan folks staying with us. Hopefully next year our Fijian son can return to Australia, staying and studying here. Had to beat a hasty retreat back to Fiji in early 2020 because of Covid, but if boarders open all should be okay.

Issy, we've got no Muslims, but we do have a couple of devil worshipers who conduct human sacrifices in the middle of the night while their elderly white male victims are soundly sleeping. Are you ok with that pair?

"Would you open your doors to the people of Afghanistan?"
NathanJ,
This should be re-written to open our doors to good people from Afghanistan !
Willy nilly letting in is what has brought society to the miserable state it is in now !

Another silly, pointless question. Who people would or would not open their doors to whom has nothing to do with Australian immigration law. People have to work out their own problems in their own country. If anyone wants to take in a stray, there are plenty available in animal welfare shelters, in Australia.

ttbn,
Well, the gene pool is desperately in need of new blood don't you think ? The recent decades have shown that the quality brew doesn't come from where the masses ran from.

The Afghans had twenty years to set themselves up with a democratic
government and political system and they didn't even try.
They just sat back and let the Americans do it all for them.
No one owes them anything.
If they want to improve their situation the best thing they could do
for themselves is to ban Islam.
Surely they have seen enough of Islam to understand why it has to go ?
It started out as a war lord's gang and has only gone downhill since.

Dear Bazz,

I shall repeat what I posted on another discussion:

The problem with labels is that they lead to
stereotypes and stereotypes lead to generalisations
and generalisations lead to assumptions and assumptions
lead back to stereotypes.

It's a vicious cycle and after you go around a bunch of
times you end up believing that ALL followers of Islam
are extremists and fundamentalists.

They live in different countries, with different traditions,
cultures, languages, and they don't all practice their religion
in exactly the same way. The same goes for Christians, Jews,
or any other religion. Not everyone is a fundamentalist or
an extremist, or a fanatic.

individual,

Right. The sorts of immigrants dumped on us certainly have not improved the electorate. Probably a deliberate ploy by the politicians.

Only Australians will be allowed into Australia next year, with international students, fully vaccinated, later. No mention of Centrelink-centric Afghans, who won't fight for their own country, let alone ours.

Bazz,

We certainly do not owe Afghans anything. Their own army, trained by ours, didn’t fire a shot against the returning Taliban. That army hadn't been paid for some time, which is another indicator of what a useless, undeserving shithole Afghanistan is. The people are beyond redemption, have nothing in common with us, and need to be put out of our minds permanently.

Just to set the record straight:

hrw.org/news/2021/08/23/how-australia-should-help-afghans-living-fear

Worth a read.

Oooops - sorry I forgot the http:

http://hrw.org/news/2021/08/23/how-australia-should-help-afghans-living-fear

A hard pass.

Dear Nathan,

My heart is already open for the people of Afghanistan.
As for my home, to the unlikely extent that I would let anyone into it, then why not an Afghan?

I have strict house-rules, for example no meat or other products containing dead animals (including in soaps, creams, tooth-paste, medications, etc.); no television; computers and similar digital devices are restricted to certain areas of the house; keeping quiet during meditation and spiritual-study times; and of course no smoking or vaping (35.2% of Afghani men smoke), etc. If an Afghani is happy with my house-rules, then they are probably closer to me than most Australians.

Hi Yuyutsu,

Its called respect, and I find refugees and migrants very respectful people as far as being welcoming, they love to please. I'm not saying Australians are not respectful but they tend to be less concerned than most. In the past my son has taken in boarders, uni students. He has found Asians the easiest to look after, very quite no trouble at all. A South American chap the most difficult for him to contend with, just little things, like; "please flush the toilet after you use it"....: "When you leave in the mornings please check you have turned the lights off", but only as a general rule, others were ok.

Foxy, remove your rose tinted glasses and be realistic.
When pressed Islamists will not deny any verse in the Koran.
There is one verse that tells them it is permissible to lie to infidels.
So they are happy to tell you they do not accept those verses that
tell them to kill non believers where you find them.
There is more than enough of them that will do exactly as Allah tells them.
Why do you think there is such a high rate of rape, assault and murder
jn European countries ? To say nothing of outright terrorist acts !

Paul,

No, I don’t want them, you keep ‘me.

Hi Issy,

I was going to have you as a five bob a week boarder until I heard a few stories from your previous landlady. That habit of farting at the dinner table, and do you really keep week old fish heads uncovered in the fridge. She did say you would always get up in the morning and go out and piss on her geraniums, what a stink! Tell me it wasn't you who kicked her dear old cat Tiddles in the guts, resulting in its untimely end. No you didn't peg your unwashed undies on the neighbours line did you? Claiming you were giving them their monthly airing. Other than those few little indiscretions is there any bad habits you want to fess up to?

Oh yes, and there was the weekly visits from the Issy clan, those ones you mentioned before, the pillages and burners. The old landlady asked is there is any possibility you could recover some of her silverware from your relatives, and did they really have to burn the chook shed down. You said they were just having fun, but the chooks are all frazzled.

Dear Bazz,

You should not believe everything that you read in
the papers. Papers print what's newsworthy and what
sells. And there are fundamentalists in all religions
and extemists who do bad things around the globe.As
there are religious people who do good things. You
should not single out any group with generaliZations
because you don't allow for individual differences.
And that's not wearing rose-coloured glasses - that's
being realistic.

I'll second ttbn- "People have to work out their own problems in their own country." We've given them a lot already- and need to look after our own people now.

People need to work out their own problems in their
own country? Not when we interfere in their affairs
and go into their countries and take over their affairs.
We should not abandon those that worked with us and whose
lives are in danger as a result.

I have had a relative stay in my home, whilst they were working locally. It did mean some sacrifices for myself and it wasn't always easy, but overall it was fine. There were also benefits as I appreciate being around family members.

This person is now living freely, with their own partner and family, so assistance provided by one can lead to a better life in the future and I was very happy I was able to be part of that process.

I know of people who have taken in refugees for short term periods in their homes when they have had nowhere else to live. They were very willing to do so, in some cases with larger families. I agree people should be willing to respect the rules of one's household and you will find most will do that, including people from Afghanistan, particularly refugees. They are very nice people to get on with.

Paul,
Rest easy, the ‘me’ was an error caused by the habit this I-pad has of correcting things, I typed ‘em as in you keep ‘em.

Dear Nathan,

«I know of people who have taken in refugees for short term periods in their homes when they have had nowhere else to live. They were very willing to do so, in some cases with larger families.»

When my mother was about 6 years old, my grandparents took refugees into their home: they kicked my mother out of her room and gave it to the refugees, which were dirty and full with lice from their long sea journey. My mother received a tiny empty chamber instead were she was lonely and had only cats for company.

Yuyutsu,

I can't support what happened to your mother and grandmother, but you may like to know I am a member of a refugee support group and since I have been involved providing refugee support (in Australia) for a long time none of that has occurred (including myself).

People are thrown out of properties/homes every day for a range of reasons by warfare, the military, violence from a partner, landlords, governments, for road upgrades, property developments and a lack of ability to pay rent.

There are no doubt a range of other reaons. I can't list them all here.

During my long time of supporting refugees in Australia, all have been very nice people to get on with. What happens in other circumstances (where the outcomes are poor) I cannot speak for these or do them any credit.

I think what the well-meaning need to keep in mind is the very real possibility that not all refugees are refugees. They've learnt that in other countries & they'e closing the borders.
Far more screening needs to happen & the local refugee support groups must come to realise & accept that.
I still have family & friends in Europe who are dismayed at the acting many refugees put on.
One can't help feeling for the children & any children let into Australia should be attending Australian Public Schools not indoctrination centres in the various enclaves.
Any parents who don't want their children to grow up in our society, should be given an ultimatum to stay & comply or get repatriated to a society they feel is better for their children !

Hi Issy,

So you don't want my tool shed for 5 bob a week? Its roomy 6' x 4', Its dry when it don't rain, and the dog (Sloppy the Irish Wolf Hound) doesn't take up much room. However I must warn you, he is known to drop one now and then during the night, sloppy by name, sloppy by nature, eating too much Chum I think, you'll get used to it.

Try turning off auto correct/predict. I had lap top probs, so I posted using the phone, with my bad eyes what a nightmare. A couple of the forum smart arses had a go about a few spelling mistakes. Then they made mistakes themselves. One clown spelt fertiliser as fetalizer, sounded like something made from Greek cheese.

Paul1405,
Any remote chance of you changing from your stuck-record-needle dim-witted sarcasm to actually offering positive comments ?
There are quite a number of posts where you've been invited to provide answers but remain as yet unanswered.
Are the questions too difficult or is because you are limited in your ability to actually muster some sense & decency ?

Indy, have a laugh some times don't be a sourpuss for the rest of your life. This forum is not that serious, nothing gets up the noses of crusty old conservatives like a bit of humour.

Answering the question posed here, I did; Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 10:07:52 PM "Not a problem Nathan, I would have Afghan folks staying with us"

What more do you want to know? Nothing will change the mind set of the forums bigoted racists. I seen the big daddy of forum racists ttbn post something about its being better to take in Australian animals from shelters than foreign people. You seemed to follow up with some kind of supportive comment.

Paul1405,
It's your prerogative to find the plight of people being displaced as ground for humour.
Why don't you explain to us why the super-wealthy Arab Emirates, Malaysia & Muslim dominated nations don't take in their fellow believers instead of sending them to live among the infidels ?

Good Morning Everyone,

If we were honest with each other - the truth is that
no matter how much we may argue in our discussions
on this forum, I firmly believe that we would ALL come
together to help someone who was really in dire straits.
That's what Australians have always done and will
continue to do. We've always answered to the better angels
of our natures.

Indy, I was having a joke with Is Mise, the sad thing with a racists like you is you don't realise what a racist you really are. In fact you will strenuously deny you are any such thing. What motivates people like you is; fear, envy, greed and jealousy. which in extremes leads to hatred. I don't believe you are that extreme to be an absolute hater.

To answer your question, if I am to take the premise of it to be true, which is not necessarily the case.

The sad truth, the vast majority of refugees are being held in camps in third world countries.

the vast majority of refugees are being held in camps in third world countries.
Paul1405,
By whom ?

Been a long time since I have posted here.... So much has happened, but, then again, so little has changed.
Any country that takes Muslims is asking for trouble. As I have said here many years ago, Muslims cannot live in peace, in numbers, as equals, with non-muslims. It is very simple -- look at Islamic countries, read the quran, read the news... If they do manage to fit in, then they are not good Muslims. I have quite a bit of experience with Muslims, and I can say with absolute certainty that when asked about this issue, they will: 1. blame others, 2. say the baddies are not really Muslims, and 3. call you a racist or islamophobe or worse.

I don't blame them for wanting to live in the West (Notice that they almost never flee to Islamic countries). The trouble is that they come and bring mohammad, the quran and their culture with them.

Worst of all, our stupid, blind leaders welcome them with open arms and praise the 'cultural enrichment' they bring.This will not end well.

There are man people who know very little about
Muslims and their faith. As a result they tend
to lump together this vastly diverse group as -
backward, gender oppressive, and violent.

The "religious visibility" of some Muslims exacerbates
this issue. People see Muslim women wearing hijabs
and veils and they quickly conclude all Muslims are
traditional and far too serious about their religion
for our modern and secular standards.

It's important to note that just like any other population
group Muslims come from a variety of ethno-cultural and
socio-economic backgrounds. Many of Australian Muslims
are born here and the rest come from 183 different
countries. In the 2016 Census more than 600,000 people
identified as Muslim with three quarters living in Sydney
and Melbourne.

Muslims make up 2.6% of the Australian population. Studies
have shown that when non-Muslims interact with Muslims
they are less likely to be islamophobic.

I am grateful to the doctors and carers
who took care of me in hospital and who took care
of my mother in her last days who
were Muslim. I owe them a tremendous debt that I can never
repay.

I owe them a tremendous debt that I can never repay.
Foxy,
I have spoke with such people & reading between the lines it becomes clear that they'd prefer not to be locked into their culture & most would get out if only they could but our Laws don't provide the help they'd require.

As I’ve said before, my great mate and former comrade in arms is a devout Muslim and he considers the Australian Government to be mad to encourage Muslim migration and he knows his people well.
I thoroughly agree with him.
When we visit with him I am treated as one of the family and I see his womenfolk unveiled.
During the Covid crisis he put all of his estates into strict lockdown and, at his own expense, had everyone inoculated, so far he has lost no one .

Hi Issy,

The problem is not in religion, its in education. A combination of ignorance and fundo superstition can have a disastrous effect. I have a Turkish friend in Sydney, his is a well educated modern family who happens to be Muslim. There is no danger to society from my friend or his family. Education has always been the enemy of most organised religions. Buddhism is an exception, although I do not consider it a religion, it has always encouraged the devotee to seek enlightenment within oneself and that is a form of education, education of the mind. Thankfully for us, for the vast majority among the ignorant the desire to impose violent change on non-believers is not strong. For the vast majority, despite what a religion may teach violence is non-existent, it is simply not a part of their human makeup. The mistake many on here make is they believe Islam is some monolithic homogeneous religion and all two billion Muslims think alike. They also tout themselves as experts on that religion, they most likely are nothing of the sorts, pseudo experts, just ignorant about the teaching of Islam as most are.

I will wager that your Muslim friend is also well educated, am I correct?

If only I could forward a video of the wrong kind of Afghan refugees in Europe stomping on people & kicking them in the head etc.
Perhaps some of you pro willy nilly intake supporters would think again.
That's why more scrutiny is needed as to whom & how many if any at all should be allowed to settle here.
Many of you state your preference for Democracy but I'm certain that after watching that video from euronews. even Afghans already living here would say stop any more intake.

Dear Paul,

Education is key as is inter-action with people who
are "different." Australia has a history of its
reactions to the various waves of immigrants that
its had. We need to remember the Muslims have been
coming to this country for decades. - Remember the
cameleers? Our current laws and immigrant intake
criteria are very strict. All the fears are based on
ignorance. The media also has a lot to answer.

Paul, remember Western educated Muslims like pilots, Doctors and engeneers were the planners and suicide martyrs of the 9/11 twin towers.

Josephus,

Sadly -

Extremists, and fundamentalists - exist in all religions.
We should not blame the religions for human behaviour
or how people interpret and use religion to their own
ends and agendas.

Paul,
You’re right, he is very well educated, Oxford in fact.
His father spared no expense in educating his sons though sadly not his daughters.
My mate has spared no expense in educating all his children.
His father was a Maharajah until the Indian Government reneged on their commitment to the Princes.
Many still call my mate, Maharajah, and as an aside, the Indian Govt. map of the Palace complex in Jaipur refers to the entrance to the private part as the private entrance of the Maharajah of Jaipur.
Old ideas die hard.

Extremists, and fundamentalists - exist in all religions.
Foxy,
That goes without saying. However, when a religion is no longer just a religion but a hate speech tool for intolerance & power hunger then you're no longer dealing with religion but major crime.
Europeans have now turned from being welcoming to rejecting refugees.

tune into euronews.com for enlightenment

individual,

I agree with you about hate speech. But again it can
come from any direction be it Muslim, Black, White, or
anything in between and refugees cop a great deal from
all sides. You have to take it on a case by case
and also look at the causes. It's not always religion,
but can be a variety of reasons.

Actually, it seems that Muslims very know very little about Islam. If you ask them about the hate, slander and violence in the Quran, they either don't know or don't want to know. When they are confronted, it is the usual excuses: "that was then" "infidels fault" "Bad translation" "only applies to some people" etc...

As to "lump together this vastly diverse group as backward, gender oppressive, and violent." Why not? Take a look at Islamic countries, they are diverse: many languages, ethnic groups, in Africa, Asia and the Middle East. They all are human rights abusers. In fact, the only thing they have in common is Islam. Anybody who doesn't see a correlation between a disfuntional, oppressive society and Islam,
isn't looking hard.

As to Islamic dress, it tells me that a person accepts Islam without reservations and therefore that person believes he/she is better than us infidels, that we are "lower than animals" they are to fight us until we submit (all in the quran), that murder, plunder, rape, torture and slavery are not really wrong, it only depends on who is doing it, like Islam's prophet, for example (read any hadith, Tabari, Hisham, Kathir, etc...). Where do you think the Taliban get their ideas?

Yes, there are good Muslims, but they prefer not to talk about their religion. They go about their lives and are, at best, nominal Muslims.

but can be a variety of reasons.
Foxy,
Agree and, people producing excuses are contributing to making it increasingly harder to improve the situation !

individual,

It's not making excuses but trying to understand
something most of us know so little about. And
questioning is how we learn.