Last year Inclusive Australia’s ‘Measuring Social Inclusion’ survey showed that 60% of respondents "believed that White Australians were the victims of discrimination to some extent”. 73% agreed that it was an important issue,

As a result of governments pushing multiculturalism and — more recently — the Black Lives Matter movement and neo-Marxist inspired critical race theory - white Australians are increasingly targeted as racist and xenophobic. This in itself is racism on the part of non-whites, and many self-hating, guilty-tripping whites scrambling onto the virtue signalling band wagon.

Since Gough Whitlam was prime minister and Al Grasby the minister for immigration, the school curriculum has taught students Australian society is inherently racist. In schools these days, Western civilisation is either ignored or seen as inherently oppressive and racist, according to Australian educator, Kevin Donnelly. "White Australians feel embattled".

At Sydney University, 150 academics knocked back funding to establish a centre to study Western civilisation. In fact, according to these wonderful people, the existing curriculum should be "purged of whiteness as existing subjects like history, literature, art and music are guilty of “racism, sexism, classism, historical injustice and prejudice based on religion”.

"In the case of White Australians the campaign for tolerance, in fact, has led to intolerance" (Donnelly).

It is not surprising that the largely Leftist media did not publicise this survey.

Well that view sits well with the developers paradise created by our politicians.

It’s growing ever closer to the time where they will divide Chinese into good and bad ones, for the purposes of flooding the country with wealthy potential property tycoons.

Just another layer of foreign dominance ensuring the status quo for increasingly poverty stricken whites.

There are many losers with multiculturalism. Over two hundred languages and dialects are spoken in the Western suburbs of Sydney. My ear to the ground tells me Chinese are most unpopular in that region.

Things are bad, but they are bound to get worse, my guess.

Dan

Thanks for raising this issue ttbn.

It's been said that where your rights end mine don't begin.

In an argument there can be two bad sides.

Yes Marxist inspired Critical Race Theory (CRT). CRT is an interesting thing- it seems to be made up of two parts 1. The observation of Cultural Relativism 2. The solution to Cultural Relativism being that of Communist Cultural Hegemony (or cultural dominance and destruction).

Cultural Relativism isn't controversial.

Cultural Hegemony is the atomization of humanity. A form of totalitarianism that is scarcely able to be imagined due to it's total horror.

In cultural hegemony there are no ethnicities, no sexes, no families, no ancestors, no descendants, no communities, no food, no literature- to create a blank slate world- because these are the beginnings of inequality.

The means by which the blank state is attained is by permanent revolution (see Leon Trotsky) against the traditional structure of society in successive waves by a "benevolent" tyrant enobled with the power of life and death.

The problem with the blank slate world is that it doesn't have meaning- everything is about the world state.

Humans are not insects ruled by a tyrant.

There needs to be a quantitative balance between local and mass rule. Ethnicity has evolved to satisfy this need.

White males are just the first wave that Trotsky wants to destroy.

The proposed study of Western Civilisation was just a dog whistle to advertise and promote the principle of White Supremacy.

Likewise the complaint about teaching "black armband" view of history or CRT is to deny the whole truth of history to following generations and displays a level of immaturity and insecurity. What is there to be scared of?

Somehow the white privileged majority that rules Western countries always paints itself as the victim and needs to blame some targetted minority for its own shortcomings - typically a racial group that is easily identified.

Dividing people up into warring groups and provoking internal conflict is how populations are controlled and diverted from applying scrutiny to their leaders.

There was a cartoon I saw that showed a King under siege by angry peasants who were holding torches or pitchforks. In order to save himself he started the rumour to tell the pitchfork-holders that the torch-holders wanted to take their pitchforks away.
Simple.

Good comments, Dan and CM.

Hey, ttbn and Dan.

I know you guys have some extreme views about the social makeup of our society how we are ...ked up, as is your right, but how about ideas about how to deal with the issue about race.

I always thought OLO was much more than a whingefest.

Come on, surely you have some advice for our policy elites about what to do.

Hey Dan, I reads recently that by 1945 most of the world population spoke one of nine major languages, but now parts of Sydney have 200 languages or dialects.

So what are you saying, that most can't communicate with each other. the way you put it is that people may be bumping into each other on every street due to no ability to understand or communicate.

Me think you are exaggerating to make a point.

BTW, I do agree that critical race theory is not the way to go, even for the simplistic left that have nothing better to do than simply to attack, attack and attack the social developments of the great liberal democracies.

But what do you expect from most of Australia's academics, who really don't have much clue beyond expressing their bias.

Learning and understanding all arguments simply is not considered by them as it would indeed complicate their arguments.

I am a defender of the multi-ethnic nature of the great liberal democracies, but I do recognise that there are problems if policy is driven by the flawed assumption that all cultures are equal.

They are clearly not, but that does not mean I need to abandon my belief that a sophisticated liberal democracy can be mullti-ethnic and lead the world

rache

Even the thought of cancelling the study of Western Civilisation is beyond laughable.
The Roman Empire still stands in remnant form today in the RC Church. Over two thousand years of history cannot be ignored, particularly one with such significant influences on world events.

“White privileged majority” is everybody’s complaint. But a closer look at the obvious criminal element of our privileged Political class, one would need to ask, what shade of white classifies as the bench mark? It’s not sensible to mock reality.

And it’s well to remember, the seething masses of any society, black or white, or shades between, are in the end, the peasants who rebel against the Elite overlords.

I think that divide and rule oversimplifies political tensions. It’s more like “have’s and have not’s “.
How much can be stolen from the underclasses before the peasants revolt, irrespective of skin colour.

Dan

Rache,

Why do you say that an expensive and generous proposal for a course was “just a dog whistle to promote the principle of White Supremacy”? Do you know something the rest of us do not?

Can you lead us to this “principle of White Supremacy”? I have never heard of such a thing.

Has history ever been “denied”, or is it just being re-written? Bruce Pascoe’s recent efforts come to mind.

What are the privileges whites have that are not available to everyone in Australia?

Who is “dividing people” and promoting internal conflict - apart from the Marxists we all know about?

Chris Lewis,

What criteria do you use to deem other people’s views as “extreme”?

What do we expect from academics? Nothing but the usual nonsense. I expect more from my peers, who are a bit slow on the uptake, but they, the ordinary people, are our only hope.

You don’t have to abandon your beliefs in a multi-racial or multicultural democracy, but I think that is more a dream than a belief. Can you name successful multi-racial/multicultural societies that have had the condition forced on them without consultation? When things have been the same for a very long time, then suddenly they were not?

The survey would seem to suggest that Australia is not one of them, if indeed there are any.

ttbn,

Your last comment is excellent.

It asks a question, which should be given in all humanities courses.

Do multi-ethnic societies work?

when I was at monash, I had a similar question.

However, it was set up in such a way you could only praise multiculturalism to get a good mark.

I got a HD, but I told another Monash teacher later that the concept was problematic.

I also challenged the multicultural loving lecturer by expressing anger with his lecture when he stated multiculturalism was accepted because of the working class.

Fraser was hardly working class, and I was sometimes bombed with rocks or abused in a public housing part of Preston for being a wog.

I do try to see both sides, but I was never going to fit in at most Aussie unis which are indeed dominated by the left

Chris,

OK. But, the questions were: can you name a successful multi-racial/culture society that has had it forced upon it, and what is your criteria for declaring "extreme" the views of Dan, CM and ttbn.

Rache said "The proposed study of Western Civilisation was just a dog whistle to advertise and promote the principle of White Supremacy."

Answer- Perhaps the study of Critical Race Theory is just a dog whistle to advertise and promote the principle of Communism.

Chris Lewis- You said that you were bombed by rocks for being a wog. Lets just say that I am happy to help you protect your ancestral home from being destroyed by multiculturalism. Thanks for your views whether I agree or not.

ttbn, it is extreme because you suggest the multi-ethnic liberal democracy cannot work.

I am not calling you an extreme right-winger. Peace man.

And I never said nothing about CM, but I get what you mean

I am not saying that multi-ethnic societies can or cannot work. I am saying it is difficult, but indeed possible.

Australia was mostly European for a long time, so it worked pretty well. southern europeans hardly rocked the boat.

In more recent years, it has become more more complex with the question now more open-ended because of much greater ethnic diversity, especially from Asia.

It is a really good issue for debate.

Why is it that refugees are fleeing to countries with "White Supreme" former Christian [qualified] Governments, but the second generation want to change these countries to be the same as from which their parents fled. This is why there is reaction to the desire of change by people who know the recent history and the advantages of one language and one culture and law.

Good point Josephus.

Dear Josephus,

You stated "Why is it that refugees are fleeing to countries with "White Supreme" former Christian [qualified] Governments, but the second generation want to change these countries to be the same as from which their parents fled."

I know of no evidence to support your statement that the second generation want to change those countries to the same as which their parents fled. What is your evidence for your statement?

What is your evidence for your statement?
davidf,
Perfect admission !

The evidence is all around us. Anti-white racism is the evidence. They come to our country, then decide that it's "too white". With the help of renegade whites, they have set about changing it: complaining, whining, invading our education system and brainwashing our children, making them ashamed of their history, their heritage, and their colour. Open your eyes. Demand action from our cowardly politicians.

Davidf, Look at who are entering politics in European, American and Australian politics for change from children of immigrants parents - there you will have the answer.

davidf,
if you need to ask then I assume you're not a member of the group called infidels !

Got to give it to those run off at the mouth racists, no evidence just wild claims. The forum is crawling with them.

The forum is crawling with them.
Paul1405,
Yep, you're simply not going away !

Chris Lewis says:

*…So what are you saying, that most can't communicate with each other. the way you put it is that people may be bumping into each other on every street due to no ability to understand or communicat.

Me think you are exaggerating to make a point…*

People will live in “like” collective groups, bound by cultural similarities which includes languages predominantly.
Lack of ability to speak and understand English, has been the cause by admission of the NSW Government, for the abysmal response to Covid medical advise, which was pointed out as the lead caused of the break away of the virus in the Western Suburbs of Sydney.

But my example is but one simple example of the failure of multiculturalism to materialise as anything useful to the rest of us, which is the fast diminishing Anglo culture.

The best the NSW Government appeared to achieve in their desperate attempts to communicate the Covid message, was a flier written in over fifty languages which they distributed in the a Western Suburbs, which amusingly, failed to include English! This is a fact!

Multiculturalism is out of control.
If the Government of the day is incapable of communicating with its citizens on a broad scale, there simply is no Government.

Dan

Chris Lewis.

If you are doubting the numbers of languages and dialects spoken in the Western Suburbs of Sydney. Here is a small educational on the subject for you. Viz:

*…Economist.com

NDIA, with its 1.3bn people, vast territory and 22 official languages (along with hundreds of unofficial ones), is well known as one of the most linguistically diverse countries in the world. Yet is is no match for a country of just 7.6m inhabitants in the Pacific Ocean: Papua New Guinea. There are nearly 850 languages…*

Dan

I attended once a large Church in Georges Hall in the 1990s and there were 142 different native languages spoken in the homes; there was given a period in the service to sing a well known Christian song in every one of the native languages together. You could pick up the tune and sing it in english but you had to be passionate not to loose the thought of the song.

The Church held English classes to break the communication barrier though they had several language services as well.

Dan,

yes that is true, but is it true of the Indian population in Australia?

I would imagine most speak English, albeit with other languages at home, but there may be some other data you can point to

Multiculturalists appear to use the fact that culture is difficult to define to discredit the claim of loss of culture. Perhaps the only ones who can say that there is a loss to culture is the culture itself. Herodotus talked about culture. But the UN includes the principle that every culture has the right to self determination. But there's a gap between enforcement and principle.

Every culture deserves it's own nation- this is where we've come from.

the fact that culture is difficult to define to discredit the claim of loss of culture.
Canem Malum,
As per your usual you're just so correct again !

Thanks Individual. Kudos.

As a rusted on Liberal Party voting relative had to explain to an 'outlaw' citing the 'great replacement theory' that there is no such thing skin tone nor gene as 'white'.

Like ZPG and those demanding 'sustainable population' may not realise, the PR constructs they promote are based upon eugenics and the far right, used by radical right libertarians to deflect from inconvenient truths.

Although many ageing Anglo/Irish voters may wish for a return to at least a proxy 'white Australia policy' based upon eugenics, it was eugenics that compelled Australia to look more to Asia versus the traditional UK; as the latter had a marked decline in quality HR for migration.

The same outlook may explain Brexit and Trump but many of those who vote for the same are carefully insulated or firewalled from the reality of libertarian economic policies e.g. ring fencing pensions and/or retirement income, healthcare and property values from market forces or 'public choice theory'.

This looks interesting...

http://unconstrainedanalytics.org/

This is also interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultranationalism

Its all a clever psyop to make the citizens who built the countries 'guests' in their own countries, (by way of multiculturalism agenda) with the nations themselves belonging not to the people but to global agendas and the elites.
Australia used to be the lucky country.
people with their own style an character.
Now we're just a nation of of serfs;

- Lead by an army of brainwashed university millennial retards.

This country just keeps getting worse and worse.

Ultranationalism works well in Nations of one culture providing they have no desire to increase boundaries. Multiculturalism works while the original culture is dominant, but history proves once an imported culture reaches a large percentage they want their world views ensrined in law.

Currently the ABC / SBS programs are lauding race profiling done in schools using ideosyncratic humour of races - like Con the fruiter, as degrading Greek culture. These racist dudes in schools will remove all race humour to the point to speak of an Arab Mohamet you will loose you head. Hogan was a send up of Australian Larricanism, Effie of Greek teenagers, Steady Eddie of disability, Frank Spenser of the English, Jim Owen of the Irish.

Part of our culture is the ability to laught at awkward situations associated with race.

Someone should make up some good jokes to make fun of progressives.

Here you go Armchair Critic-

http://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/the-cia-just-declassified-these-11-russian-jokes-about-the-soviet-union/

How can we reverse the policies that started the current readjustment of the ethnicity due to multiculturalism In Australia at the end of the White Australia Policy- against the interests of the incumbents. If possible in a humane way- though the theft of Australian territory from the Australian ethicity/ culture wasn't very humane either.

This looks interesting...

http://oceanstatecurrent.com/longer-twitter/why-progressives-cant-take-a-joke/

AC, its a bit hard to make a joke about your mob, Adolf and the lads weren't known for their jolliness, although de Fuhrer was seen to crack it for a smile when he conquered Paris. Were you in the fan club that day?

Here's a couple just for you;

"Say what you want about Hitler, he wasn’t all that bad. After all, he killed Hitler."

"What had more brains than Hitler? The wall behind him."

CM, I believe you are not Australian, so what's with the "we" in; "How can WE reverse the policies that started the current readjustment of the ethnicity due to multiculturalism In Australia at the end of the White Australia Policy- against the interests of the incumbents."

You imply the use of violence with; "if possible in a humane way- though the theft of Australian territory from the Australian ethicity/ culture wasn't very humane either." And if not possible, in an inhumane way?

You need to get over your bigoted racism from afar, and accept that the vast majority of Australians embrace multiculturalism as a success. Suggestions that violent action by a small minority of you WE people is a path to overturning our success in the field is unacceptable.

the vast majority of Australians embrace multiculturalism as a success.
Paul1405,
That's a huge unsubstantiated claim pedalled by those with their snout in the Public funding trough & those who stay at home in the generously taxpayer funded enclaves with absolutely no hope of ever contributing to the building of the Nation.
You might be well advised to review your definition of "success".

individual,

According to the Australian Human Rights Commission
and the Reports of the Scanlon Foundation 84% of
Australians agree that multiculturalism has been
good for Australia. You refer to "generously taxpayer
funded enclaves?" Could you be more specific. That's
a very sweeping generalization as we have over 270
different ancestries that exist in this country and
it's difficult to tell which ones you are referring
to.

Most of the people that one sees working hard in
hospitals, aged care facilities, transport, retail,
hospitality, trades, construction, road-builders,
and service industries in general, appear to be of ethnic
origin. Are you talking about public servants - and
politicians when referring to people with their noses in
troughs? That's not very nice. Weren't you a public
servant yourself?

cont'd ...

individual,

In what way did you contribute to the building of this
nation?

Communists and Russians have wanted to destroy the west for a while- looks like one of the weapons they are using in the contemporary era is multiculturalism.

This is interesting- probably needs some caution and verification- grey world stuff-

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/hitlernowar.html

http://www.truthorfiction.com/communist-rules-for-revolution-found-by-allied-forces-in-dusseldorf-germany-fiction/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Game

http://unconstrainedanalytics.org/

It's interesting that in the early 1800's China was happy to stay behind the mountains perhaps with the occasional foray- now it's had a taste of the wider world it won't give it up. It seems to show the loss adverse nature of humans- and perhaps mammals. The more people are the same the more they are different.

Adam Curtis of the BBC in Century Of The Self talks about the Freud family and their corruption of the west- through consumer culture and other movements.

It's only the west that "has to be" multicultural. Every culture deserves it's own nation- how is this racist?

Don't let others tell you what you should believe. There are always disputes within philosophy- that doesn't mean that someone who disagrees with you is evil. But your family and community is more important to you than the world. You must protect them!

Also interesting...

http://www.dailysignal.com/2018/10/03/the-history-russians-and-communists-want-us-to-forget/

We need to seriously have this debate and not allow
the extremists to get a hold on this forum or elsewhere.
The following link explains why:

http://humanrights.gov.au/about/news/speeches/success-australias-multiculturalism

Here's what most Australians think:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tl5KzjcsVgY

Sip the adds and enjoy!

"not allow
the extremists to get a hold on this forum".

The only real extremists on this forum, Foxy and Paul 1405, are doing their very best to "get a hold on this forum". Sadly, some other posters are encouraging them by trying to argue with them and giving them oxygen. These two are beyond redemption; they lower the tone of OLO, and they are doing their very best to make the site unpleasant for all who are not like them. Send them to Coventry!

I've come to realize that the most nasty, malicious,
hate-filled social media accounts are the least verbal
in real life. These social media posters (trolls) have
no physical troll land in which to dwell so they come
on here daily to vent their spleens.

Arguing with these anonymous virulent strangers on the
web is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out
to be self-righteous, conservative extremists, living in
the past, possessing infinite amounts of free time.

They've lost the ability to debate the merits and content
of a position. Instead they want to play to the troll-fed,
worst of who humans can be.

So sad!

So says the Queen of the Trolls. She also uses the one paragraph in two posts.

Some of the social media experts say that trolls tire if ignored. That doesn't work with our Queen.

Ahhhh, so the nasty court jester (ttbn)
does read my posts after all. And he does
follow me around. He IS a fan - no doubt
about it - and I grant him a platform to
spew. He must be very grateful. Without me
who else would he have to attack and where else
could he vent his spleen.

If Foxy disagrees why doesn't she get to the point rather than labeling one as an extremist.

Good news is, like George Bush has complained, with the radical right libertarian ideologues joined at the hip with eugenics, have taken over conservative parties and encourage extremists of the right in promoting 'great replacement', whether Evangelicals, pro-lifers or far/alt right.

The GOP, like the LNP, has become an 'Anglo-Saxon' or in Oz 'Anglo-Irish' party precluding a welcome to new potential or future non Anglo-Saxon/Irish voters, at least any social mobility.

Their self perceived strengths and past success may well become their own Achilles' heel, then will need to move back to the centre and attract diverse support, for survival via political eugenics.

'Anglo-Irish' party precluding a welcome to new potential or future non Anglo-Saxon/Irish voters, at least any social mobility.
Andras Smith,
That's a very, very black kettle calling a shiny pot black !

Back to the original post 'Australia’s ‘Measuring Social Inclusion’ survey showed that 60% of respondents "believed that White Australians were the victims of discrimination to some extent”. 73% agreed that it was an important issue,'

ttbn, do you have link for this or are we to trust your high levels of academic evaluation and interpretation?

White Australians were the victims of discrimination to some extent”
Andras Smith,
what's with the 'were' ?

Kudos Individual.

Saw a couple of facebook comments yesterday in which a Japanese heritage, a Samoan heritage & a Malay heritage all now indigenous Australians claimed that the Union jack is to them like the Swastika is to the Jewish.
So, that in actual fact according to them that means only Europeans who came to settle here count as invaders but not others of non-European heritage.
Hmmh !

Australia today is reflected by the composition of
its people, it's immigration policies, its prohibition
on discrimination, equality before the law of all persons,
as well as the various cultural policies which promote
diversity ( such as the formation of the Special
Broadcasting Service - SBS), and much much, more.

That is the reality of Australia today. We shouldn't get
all weird about it because it allows us to live in peace side
by side with each other.

It allows us to reflect on the importance of
family, to take time to pause and reflect on the things
to be grateful for and on how we can be kind to each other.

We don't need angry, strident, divisive voices, that aim to
split our communities or try to tell us that they are
superior. That mindset went out decades ago and is so yesterday.

If there's one good thing to come out of the pandemic it's
the amazing acts of community and kindness we have seen.
With so much out of control, one thing we can do is band
together as a people and continue to show a little kindness
to ourselves and each other.

We don't need to listen to the haters and
the NAY sayers. They are not the real Australians that have
contributed to the building of this nation. True Australians
work together and support each other. The nay sayers are a
small minority - and will with time end up on the dung heap
of history.

Andras Smith,

You are so smart. Look it up. Like most people of your ilk, you would pooh pooh any reference I gave as 'right wing', 'Nazi'. That's why I never bother. You can believe it or not. Who cares! You are one of the accused, anyway.

I generally don't read references, because the ones given on OLO, and other sites for all I know, are usually just OPINIONS which are the same as those of the poster who has cited them. They are, most likely, where the poster got his/her OPINION in the first place. So, they prove nothing. Polls and surveys, on the other hand can usually be trusted to be professional and unbiased, and if Andras Smith actually read my original thread without his bigotry, he would have seen, in the VERY FIRST LINE, the following : “Last year Inclusive Australia’s ‘Measuring Social Inclusion’ survey showed that 60% of respondents "believed that White Australians were the victims of discrimination to some extent”. 73% agreed that it was an important issue”

Does that show that he is dumb? Or does it show that he just doesn’t want to believe?

Here's what most Australians think:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tl5KzjcsVgY

Skip the adds and enjoy.

A catchy tune that's been around for 34 years, sung by a professional singer and a few hangers-on, says nothing about what most Australians think. A lot has become evident in 34 years; a lot of myths shot down in flames; a lot surveys and polls like the one mentioned in this thread, ignored by, or invisible to, people who don't want to face facts: those who hate their own country and will say and do anything to cancel its traditional culture and replace it with a horrible, colourless and cruel regime of the sort many of their forebears fled here to escape.

I am Australian was written by Bruce Woodley of The
Seekers and Dobe Newton of the Bushwackers in 1987.

It's a song that symbolises Australia and its people.
It's lyrics describe a nation whose people, history,
culture and landscape, are deeply connected. It is a
patriotic song that is sung to celebrate both
Australia's diversity and its unity.

The former Liberal Premier of Victoria Jeff Kennett
was one of many who wanted that song to be Australia's
National Anthem. It is sung at many celebrations and
official occasions not only by famous singers like
Olivia-Newton-John but Delta Goodrem, and many others
who are proud to call themselves Australian.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pL_JvhfQjms

ttbn- Foxy and the others- they could be anyone- Foxy could be a hydra of indeterminate sexuality sitting in China at CCP bunker headquarters waiting for a- bomb. The only thing we can judge them on is by what they say. A rose is a rose is a rose- aptly Communist in colour.

CM,

Yes. It's hard to picture them as normal human beings. I've dealt with all sorts of people in real life, the good, the bad and the ugly, as they say; but I have never been able to reconcile the two in question with any real person.

We don't need angry, strident, divisive voices,
Foxy,
If that's how you think things should be then why not try to talk to Paul1405, Andras Smith & yourself about curbing your angry, strident, divisive comments ?

individual,

Try to see the bigger picture.
You need to get rid of your tunnel vision
and see what is trying to be accomplished here.
You might be surprised at what you can see.

The thing about seeing the big picture and
being self aware is knowing that it's not about
you. It's about the big picture.

Australia is a nation whose people, history,
culture, and landscape, are deeply connected.
We need to celebrate Australia's diversity and its
unity. Not divide it.

We are not the ones who divided it. The multiculturalists are.

Foxy,
Why not just practice what you preach ? Don't get upset about my posts which are from real experiences but don't suit your idealism.
No matter how much you try, you simply can't say things aren't so when they in fact are so !
Why can coloured people (I abhore that term) claim indigenous heritage literally automatically yet European heritage people are literally automatically the baddies ?
There are a lot of "my" people whom I wouldn't waste my waste on if they were on fire.
Why aren't the good ones acknowledged like the past, present & future indigenous inhabitants are being acknowledged.
We could for example pay tribute to the Taxpayers who provide the Hospitals & homes & all who fork out on a very costly on-going compensation ?
It would be a Gap-closer !

Indy, but you know you are a racist. When I disclosed I had some aboriginal heritage, you immediately called me a "CONCRETE JUNGLE BUNNY", remember that insult you dished out. Now whose the nasty one.

immediately called me a "CONCRETE JUNGLE BUNNY",
Paul1405,
Yes, because you carry on like a bunny among the high rise flats ! So, concrete is now racist too ? It's you who said jungle bunny was racist in South Africa. Here it is a jovial term.
Just like Git & Dumbo etc. aren't racist. You however, are an anarchist to whom social & racial harmony & jovial name-calling is the worst that could happen to !

Trying to deflect once more Indy, you called me that name implying I was a grubby black fella from an urban environment. Besides of a past you, we have had one or two ardent racists on the Forum in the past, but to their credit they would at least admit they were racists, not you however.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe you immigrated to Australia as a white honky from South Africa. You are careful never to disclose your country of origin, something in your past you may be ashamed of.

implying I was a grubby black fella
Paul1405,
No implying, you're making things up as per your integrity-devoid usual. Many, many in fact far too many European heritage fall into the category of concrete jungle bunnies. It's that massive chip on your shoulder that's affecting your senses & never in a good sense.
You just can't help yourself but take comfort in that it's not your fault that you've been brainwashed from day 1.

individual,

You're not even trying to see the bigger picture.

Lowitja O"Donoghue sumed it up well:

"Unfortunately for many Aboriginal people, of course,
they've been in the situation of being herded on
government reserves. Their responsibility's been
assumed by Protectors of Aborigines - by government
officials and if they become part of the system, it's
always difficult to break out of it."

Our Indigenous people are 3% of the Australian population
and yet they are 25% - a quarter of those Australians
locked up in our prisons. And if they are juveniles, it
is worse. It is 50%. An Indigenous child is more likely
to be locked up in prison than they are to finish high
school.

Do try to see the bigger picture. Get rid of your tunnel vision
You're better than this.

The aboriginal welcome to country and recognition of elders past etc was an adaptation in the 1800's of the Roman Catholic Mass adopted by those on Catholic Mission stations. Aboriginals had no concept of an after life of elders and being able to speak to them as Catholics do of saints. The smoke of burning insence was thought to remove all bad thoughts from those present, There are over 250 aboriginal languages on this continent which meant they were not one big unified family, but rather isolated tribes that could conflict with each other even as the several thousand tribes in New Guinea and West Papua.

Josephus,

Before colonization there were more than 250 Aboriginal
languages with 800 dialects that existed in Australia.
Each language was specific to a particular place and
people. There were about 500 different Aboriginal people.

Sadly, many Aboriginal languages were lost because up until
the 1970s government policies barred and discouraged
Aboriginal people from speaking their languages. Members of
the "Stolen Generations" were just one such group. In many
cases children were barred from speaking their mother
tongue at school or in Christian missions.

cont'd ...

Josephus,

Only about 60 Aboriginal languages are still healthy
today.

An Indigenous child is more likely to be locked up in prison
Foxy,
That's an insipid statement ! Any child committing an offence will be locked up IF they committ a crime ! It just so happens that indigenous youths commit more crimes so, the incarceration rate is absolutely no surprise to anyone except you.

Indy, a racists looks at the high crime rate of Aboriginals in black and white terms. For you, and those like you, its a case of black fella is inherently bad, commits crimes, we lock him up, serves him right. Of course your lot will continue to call for harsher penalties, more jail time for the offenders.

People like Foxy look beyond the skin colour and realise there is far more to it, systemic disadvantage cased by poverty, lack of family cohesion, poor education, unemployment, and a myriad of other social and economic problems. Until those problems that confront a significant proportion of Aboriginal people, and I will add, many socially and economically disadvantaged white people as well, the cycle of crime and incarceration will continue.

Indy you are looking at the end product and not the beginning. The aim should be to keep people out of jail, not an easy thing, and not simply increasing the prison population.

individual,

I can see that having such a small screen you will never
see the bigger picture.

Dear Paul,

Thanks for summing things up so well.
Take care.
Stay safe.

I am in favour of indigenous people who are maintaining their native culture and living as hunter gather in native titled bush receiving welfare and health care.

Once they decide to enter into Australian society, education and business and live in our communities they should no longer be considered aboriginal, any more than any other person born here be considered another nationality. That places all persons born here and living as the rest of Australia as Australians.

Kudos Individual, Josephus.

Josephus,

I am pleased that you are in favour of our Indigenous people
living the lives they choose. Their history is a sad one.

Much has been written by colonisers that described the
massacres of the Indiegnous people and forced dispossession of
lands. The literature provided evidence that reveals how over
2 centuries policies of "Protection," segregation, and
assimilation variously regulated the daily lives and movement
of Indigenous people in Australia.

Regulation occurred throughout child removal, the outlawing of
culture and language. The destruction and theft of lands and the
breakdown of kinship relations, in effect policies and
practices were aimed towards the containment and annihilation of
all Indigenous people.

We may think this is a thing of the past. Evidence suggests
otherwise. John Howard led the Northern Territory Intervention.
Which even the United Nations thought was racist. Western
Australian government stopped funding fundamental services
to Indigenous communities essentially forcing Indigenous
peoples from their homelands.

Some people assume that the characteristics of Indigenous
Australians are as being recipients of a "free ride" who are
seen to be motivated to rort the public purse. This thinking
has its roots in an ignorance of Indigenous experience of
dispossession, colonisation, and ongoing continued discrimination.

black fella is inherently bad,
Paul1405,
You're saying that not I. What I am saying is that more indigenous youths out of 100 commit crimes than those of others in 100.
Stop lying !

individual,

And why do you think that is?

"they should no longer be considered aboriginal"

Clearly, there have been no aboriginals in Australia for the past two centuries. Unless you can find anyone who was alive at the time of British settlement still knocking around the place.

No matter how much you dilute
Mix, match, and try to pollute
Our identity remains intact
Something YOU can't change and that's a fact

Our spirit is not measure by the shade of our skin
But by something stronger found within
A place YOU cannot touch or take away
It will remain shining out until our dying day

We will connect with it again
No matter how far we have been

Aboriginals in other countries like America still live in resevations and practise native culture.

Today we have exclusive aboriginal football teams, sports teams, these games unknown to aboriginals and being played in international competitions. We outlawed race identified teams in Australia for sports because it only bred conflict.

We have sports teams where race is not an issue they are identified as Australian. It is part of an Australian culture, not an aboriginal culture. These teams are being funded by money from business of Australians.It is time to remove race identifiers from citizen of Australia. Citizenship should only be granted to those born and educated here, others settlers given permanent residency; but not be able to hold a public official positin.

And why do you think that is?
Foxy,
I'm glad you ask because it is the brainwashing & indoctrination from Day 1 that they're the underdog ! That provides the right amount of hatred for them to adapt to criminal behaviour.
Just ask Paul1405, he's one of the brainwashers.

Dear Foxy,

There are some North American Indian tribes which through their casinos provide for each of the tribal members a million dollars by the time they are 18 years of age.

I think there is certainly room for that to be investigated here through mining royalties for mines on their lands.

Dear Steele,

Great idea - but fat chance. If they can't get a voice
to Parliament - what are the odds of mining royalties
happening for them?

individual,

The historical records speak for themselves.

Indy, no chance of brain washing an out and out racists such as yourself.

Foxy and Steele, when we were in Hawaii, Te Aroha asked a local where their "Marae" was..."What's that".... "your meeting house"...seems the native Hawaiians of which there are about 17,000 have no traditional lands, they can only lease land from the European, under the Homestead Act. Hawaii is a very sad example of indigenous dispossession.

Hawaii is a very sad example of indigenous dispossession.
Paul1405,
Yes very wrong, same as here where the invaders from the Pacific have taken over the islands up North.

individual,

The problem with labels is that they lead to stereotypes
and stereotypes lead to generalisations and generalisations
lead to assumptions and assumptions lead back to stereotypes.

It's a vicious circle and after you go around a bunch of
times you end up believing that in Australia there are no
"real" Aborigines. That it's the white people who have been
"dispossessed." That multiculturalism has been bad for the
nation.

That all Indigenous people are recipients of a
"free ride" and are motivated to rort the public purse.
That all public servants have their noses in the trough.
That universities are not centers of learning but
"indoctrination." And so on.

Foxy,
You're rapidly adopting Paul1405's insidious habit of deliberate misquoting. Never & I repeat never have I stated or used the term "all" when I remark on people who claim to represent "their" people !
It is this dreadful tactic that prevents the narrowing & hopefully one day the closing of this "Gap". I believe it to be my civic & moral duty to draw attention to a situation that I see being misquoted, misrepresented & straight-out misleading.
I trust my own eyes & ears far more than I trust people who write what they're dictated to write for a career & other gain.
I'm not ashamed to state openly that I am in favour of real harmony instead of the pretend warm n'fozzy popularistic academic version expected to be funded by those whom they despise yet who already feed them !

individual,

Unfortunately what you're saying now and what you've
been posting do not match up. But, thanks for explaining.
I look forward to what you have to say in your future posts.