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Election Winning Nuke Subs for Australia Announcent

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It is scandalous that our political class has only just been dragged into the world of modern weaponry. The US Navy had its first nuclear submarine in 1955. Since then, the USN has completed more than 5400 accident-free reactor years in multiple vessels travelling more than 130 million miles.

For decades obsolete nuclear-powered Russian submarines have been leased to provide electricity for such diverse uses as powering remote communities and providing similar services to oil exploration companies.

Domestic nuclear power should come next, and soon.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 17 September 2021 9:43:53 AM
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The economic gurus! Not content with wasting billions on 'Jobkeeper' etc, the Morrison government is happy to throw away $5+ billion plus on some French submarine folly. To cap it off, now there is some ridiculous deal to make the Yanks and Poms $90+ billion plus richer, by Australia going nuclear with their subs. When it comes to warmongering you can't beat the conservatives for wasting money, the sky's the limit, or should I say the bottom of the ocean!
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 17 September 2021 9:46:30 AM
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ttbn,
Those nuclear subs that the US have used to be routinely knocked out on exercises with our out of date conventional subs.
One of our outdated subs once penetrated the screen around the “USS ENTERPRISE’, surfaced alongside her and signalled “You’re sunk”.
On another occasion one of our subs penetrated a major Chinese port, remained there unsuspected for some time and gathered valuable intelligence.

Our out of date subs were QUIET,
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 17 September 2021 9:55:38 AM
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Defence Minister Dutton's talks in America have revealed that, along with AUKUS, America will be establishing an "enduring military presence" on Australian soil.

More US troops and aircraft, including bombers, will be deployed here.
The US will "stand with Australia against China".
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 17 September 2021 10:08:19 AM
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I agree with our Prime Minister. It is in our interests
to go with this deal and go nuclear. The conversation
about nuclear subs has been going on for some time.
Yes we do have a fleet of subs known as Collins Class, but
they're getting old. We've been seeking to upgrade them
and replace them for some time now. We were in a deal with
a French ship builder for 12 new subs but the program
came up with delays and blow outs and it would have
delivered conventional subs like the Collins Class.

Our PM has said it's in our interests to go with this new deal
and go nuclear. The French deal was worth $90 billion.
Apparently we've already spent 24 billion. It's unclear how
much Australia will have to pay to scuttle the deal with
France.

All this is a big deal in more ways than one. We don't have
much domestic nuclear capability and the US and the UK
are willing to work over the next months to determine
how the plan will be delivered and how the subs will be
fuelled.

Also the disposal of waste and the disposal of the subs
at the end of their lives are all issues that will have to
be engaged with.

However, I don't think that Australia has much of a choice
in this. If two super powers like the US and the UK are
willing to help Australia build 8 underwater vessels as
part of an alliance to combat China's naval dominance
in the South China Sea - we need to take advantage of the
offer. It's in all our interests to do so.

Not to do so could come at an even heavier price.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 17 September 2021 10:30:57 AM
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Meanwhile there are homeless people on our streets and charities have to contest for the spare dollars.
The 24 billion down the drain of French subs would have done a lot for cancer research for instance.

Two of the basic requirements for a submarine are first that it be submersible and second that it be quiet, if these two criteria are not met then all other attributes are useless.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 17 September 2021 11:14:38 AM
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