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Will the Liberal Party in Australia win the next election?

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shadow minister,

Please stop. Surely you can contribute something
of more substance to this discussion?
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 2 September 2021 2:10:56 PM
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Foxy,

Once again the fwit Pauliar displays the foulest behaviour and you say nothing, yet when I call him out you rush to his defence. I would like to take you seriously but you make it hard.

The government was vaccine ready with plenty of AZ to go around, but even when the chance of dying is less than 1 in a million the chicken littles would rather take the far higher risk of dying from covid than take AZ opting for only the Pfizer which has just killed someone in New Zealand. If all the vaccines had been administered there would be no need for a lockdown.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 2 September 2021 4:23:30 PM
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This year has been a series of bad decisions and poor judgements from both the Morrison and Berejiklian Governments which has resulted in thousands of infections and more than a hundred deaths from the Delta variant of the virus. Morrison believed he could steal a political march with local production of the cheaper AZ vaccine, and a orderly unhurried roll-out program which would lead to an early election and a certain return to power for the conservatives. Despite other advice Morrison put all his eggs in the AZ basket, with only token long term purchases of Pfizer. The blood clotting episodes caused major vaccine hesitancy. At one stage the ATAGI advice, AZ for over 60's, almost made that vaccine redundant. With no options Morrison claimed "vaccination is not a race", it certainly is now. That was followed by some very poor public messaging from the Federal government about the vaccine, which compounded the fears of the general public. Claims by Morrison that Australians are at the head of the queue, and all will be vaccinated by October, are just like his thoughts of an early election victory, gone out the window.

With the shambolic response to Delta by the Berejiklian government in NSW, which has seen a rapid spread of the virus and panic by the government, there is little alternative other than to play catch up on vaccination. Morrison and Berejiklian are trying everything possible at deflection away from their own incompetence and onto non issues like future opening up when we reach the magical 70% or 80%, not counting lots of Australians of course who will still be unvaccinated and at considerable risk.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 2 September 2021 9:38:37 PM
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Hey Paul1405,

My issue is that I don't want Covid, nor do I want the vaccine, I don't want or trust either.
And those who were tasked to suppress it have failed, which leaves me with limited choices.
Up here in QLD, I think we had a 3 day lockdown, and an 8 day lockdown, but I don't think there's ever been any cases detected in my local area, maybe 1.
I'm only 45mins from the Brisbane CBD.
So now with southern states incompetence, and Scomo wanting to pander to NSW for the election and economy;
Now my whole local area and more - entire state - is to be WILFULLY infected by a 'Living with Covid' policy;
AKA 4 Phase recovery plan.
Which really doesn't even apply here, because we haven't really had to live with Covid or the things southern states have had to.
We successfully suppressed it, we have had Delta here.

So well, I'm not at all pleased with the current situation.

If I don't take the vaccine (and the risks associated with it)
then I'm going to have freedoms removed and be criticised by others.
And be prepared to get Delta instead under the 'Living With Covid' plan.

All these people stand up on their podium acting like they've managed things well acting in mine and my communities best interests;
Well I say they failed all of us.

I'm starting to see just how lacking our politicians really are.
I have a hard time supporting any of them.

Some oppose the vaccines, but oppose the lockdowns too.
My position is there was always going to be lockdowns within the country if they didn't adequately suppress the virus by locking people out of the country.

I support the lockdowns, but only in lieu of our governments incompetence in allowing it in in the first place.
I don't support spreading it, if others end up dying from it.
But suppression doesn't matter anymore apparently.
I don't know how many people Scomo and Gladys have inadvertently killed, by failing to suppress, and then throwing hands in the air.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 2 September 2021 10:11:16 PM
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Howdy Neighbour,

I to live in Queensland, Brisbane great place to retire. The virus so far for us has been of less inconvenience than a bloody wet Sunday. If I was a politician and people were dying everyday on my watch, something the public might easily sheet home to me, I would want to talk about anything other than dead people.

Honestly, on a risk assessment basis the vaccine beats the virus, for me its a no brainer; "get the vaccination". Palaszczuk and McGowan through a combination of circumstances, good luck, good management have controlled the virus in their states, and why should they risk the good political karma that brings.

In Morrisons case and the AZ vaccine. He seen local production as a political gift horse, and a sure fire winner. There was low infection rates in Australia at the time and with local production victory was assured so he though. The mistake Morrison made was to neglect the window of opportunity in the second half of 2020 to purchase back up supplies of Pfizer, and other countries got in under Australia's guard.

Just on the recent Polish deal. Poland had excess stocks of Pfizer approaching its 'used by date', along comes shopper Morrison who is willing to pay a super premium price and all shipping costs for something that the Poles were looking at chucking out anyway. The Singapore deal is a little better, take old stocks of Pfizer from Singapore in September at our cost, and replace it with fresh stocks in December. In both cases great deals for Poland and Singapore. Morrison is searching the world for old stocks of Pfizer and is willing to pay a super premium for other peoples crap. Morrison is the shopper who'll pay $5 litre for milk with a use by date of tomorrow.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 3 September 2021 5:53:52 AM
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Pauliar,

For a moment I was impressed. It appeared that you had managed to string together two paragraphs without the litany of bad spelling, punctuation and grammar. Then I realised that you must have copied and pasted an excerpt from the pedogreens whinging points.

Of course, this silly discourse is full of factual errors. Morrison purchased sufficient AZ vaccine to treat the entire country. What the pedogreens deliberately omit is that at the time there was no evidence of ill effects and it had the major benefits over Pfizer in that:

1 it was available in quantity,
2 it could be produced in Aus
3 because it only required temperatures <0C rather than -70C it could be easily distributed and administered.

The major screw up were all the pedogreen anti-vaxxers that would rather face death due to covid like the 820 that Vic labor murdered.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 3 September 2021 1:40:30 PM
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