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This is what makes it different from all other emergent phenomena that don't involve a human mind because every other emergent phenomenon is a real phenomenon. ie: the phenomenon has an observable impact. For example, the properties of water emerging from a collection of individual water molecules, here the properties of water are real (eg: the property that water is a liquid that fills available space is this real because it is a testable observable effect).

By-the-way: When I use the word "prove" in a statement referring to the real world is for me a claim about the confidence I have in something. I'm claiming that I have extremely high confidence in the veracity of the statement. However, I can never be 100% certain of any statement about the real world - there is always some uncertainty in the data we collect as well as the way we manipulate it or infer from it. For example, I'm not truly 100% certain that the sun will raise tomorrow, but I'm certain enough to bet my life on it

thinkabit, do you dream? can others verify your dreams other than your rapis eye movement? Dreams reveal a deeper consciousness of the mind and do have a message for us that needs interpretation. The reality of the dream is fantacy and not real. Though I've had dreams that have revealed future events and prepared me for them. The facts of the dream at the time had no reality, but events changed to create the reality.

Thinkabit- I empathize with your position and your argument. And you've presented it in an exemplary way. At one time I would have agreed completely with you. I've been listening to Jordan Peterson and he also has some convincing arguments. His argument- if I get it right- is certain topics have no correct answers- but some answer is required in order to function- so tradition and culture is the answer- religion is part of tradition.

I found the discussion between Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris on youtube made me see certain "truths" differently- but in some ways I always knew it.

In some movies deathbed confessions of faith have perhaps created the impression that religion and religious practitioners take advantage of the desperate- maybe maybe not.

There are also those contemporaries that wish to socially engineer society.

You've argued your point very well.

Also you argued that consciousness is perhaps an immerging property of matter- Roger Penrose, The Emperors New Mind- talks about the philosophy of the mind and the possibility that self awareness is a quantum phenomena- I'm not going to argue any particular view here- but just to mention that there are other views Property Interactionism, Epiphenomenalism, Parallelism, and of course Materialism.

You are probably aware of these different views- but I thought I might make it explicit

Can the Bible identify future events? Revelation 18: 23 speaking of the future says " For thy merchants were the great ones of the Earth: for by sorcery have all the nations been deceived". The Greek word translated "sorcery" literally means an enhancer with drugs.

Never before have ALL NATIONS been involved in Great Merchants and their parmasutical supplies.

From Ancient Origins magazine.
"The latest study published in the Plos One journal found evidence of hemolytic disease of the fetus and newborns (HDFN) in Neanderthal DNA. And this blood disorder, which they got from breeding with modern humans, led to Neanderthal extinction. (OpenStax College / CC BY 3.0 )

Neanderthal Extinction From Homo Sapiens Blood Condition
This ironic thesis emerged from an important discovery made by a team of genetic scientists from the French National Centre for Scientific Research (CNRS) and Aix-Marseille University in France. These scientists analyzed the blood types of three Neanderthals, whose DNA had been successfully recovered and sequenced from fossilized bone samples. These Neanderthals did not live together but were born at different times and at different places."

Could it be that Neanderthal man lived for hundreds of years and is spoken of in Genesis 6.