The emotional damage done to a woman by an unwanted pregnancy, and having it dismembered from her body is far more violent than just touching a woman to arouse a response. if it was a deliberate act.

I clearly hold to the principle that touching a woman should only happen in a conscentual marriage relationship, [1 Corinthians 7: 1] or for medical reasons [Mark 5: 23, Luke 8: 47].

Josephus,

You are in no position to be able to judge what any
woman is feeling at any given time. And certainly
not in times of crisis or by judging her from what's
written in some Holy Book in which you believe and
the woman might not. You are trying to
defend your position - no matter how ill-founded
or wrong that opinion might be.

So foxy, you are perfectly Ok with social violence against women as passion or lust by men if it is consentual. It is the nonconscentual advances in touch or even in speech that you believe are to be criminalised, then only if they are politial figures.

Prod Boy Jose'

You supported the Washington riots Jan 6th, where 5 people died. Why do you support rampant violence?

Paul, Where did you determine that falsehood? I am a passafist and as such was released from a Vietnam call up, unless they needed medics.

Hi Josephus,

I determined that from your posts at the time. Just as you have made determinations about Foxy and what you think she believes and doesn't believe. We don't always understand the inner thoughts of others, they can be surprising at times.

I'll buy into this discussion on abortion. You most likely think of me as a radical lefty, and therefore one who would agree with "abortion on demand", well I don't per se, and if 'runner' was about he could confirm that for you. Those who take the simplistic yes/no line on the subject are also wrong, abortion is not a simple decision for a woman/girl one way or the other. There needs to be education not just for females but males as well, too many believe unwanted pregnancies are simply an inconvenience, a problem for the female, no they are everyone's problem. Pre education and knowledge of what precautions are available to avoid unwanted pregnancies would go a long way in the right direction to eliminate the need for abortions, but that's not always the situation. Balanced post pregnancies counselling should be available so a rational decision can be made. I am 'pro choice', but I also want that choice made with eyes wide open. The decision to extinguish life is not an easy one and should not be trivialised. I don't think there are any of us who would have liked to be aborted before birth, although some think others should have been.