Breaking news - "Barnaby Joyce returns to
nations'second highest office..."

And there it was - Barnaby Joyce making a political
comeback 3 years after losing the deputy Prime
Ministership to scandal.

For me it's hard to believe that Michael McCormack has
been defeated. I thought that he and Scott Morrison
made a very good team.

So what happened and how close was it - and what
does that mean for the country and for the Coalition?

To paraphrase from an old Hollywood movie -

Fasten your seat belts folks. It's going to be a bumpy
ride.

Unfortunately, that's not a Foxy joke !

Individual,

Joyce's win will automatically make him Deputy
Prime Minister of this country. This has major
implications and challenges for Scott Morrison,
who I imagine would have been hoping that
Mr. McCormack would survive. McCormack has more
of a capacity for adaptive change.

We don't know how close the vote was because it was
a 2 horse race but in line with its practice, the
National Party did not announce numbers.

The PM is going to find it challenging with a hard liner
like Joyce on issues (climate change and coal). And on
a different front, Joyce recently declared the Biloela
Tamil family should be allowed to return to the town.

Interesting times ahead.

Hi Foxy,

It shows that during a serious pandemic the National Party is more interested in itself that the people of Australia. Despite the shambolic rollout of vaccinations and their total ineptitude at providing proper quarantine facilities members of this government are more interested in fighting each other, to see who gets the juicy bauble of Deputy Prime Minister than working for the good of the people.

As for Barnyard Joy, he is a self-serving obstructionist who will make life hell for Morrison. The first issue he intends to grab Morrison by the balls is an Australian commitment to "Net-Zero Carbon Emissions By 2050". With a majority of Liberals, and many Nationals in support, Morrison intended to go to Glasgow with such a commitment, which is supported by every State and Territory governmnets, the National Farmers Federation, large Australian companies, and all of our major trading partners, and more importantany the Australian people. However this self-serving yokel intends to sabotage Australia and put us in the laughing stock class.

Just to add, on a personal level the guy has shown himself to be a grub, but in the Coalition he's in good company.

Politicians should not be allowed to be recycled !
Had they performed in the first place they wouldn't be out in the first place !
Another fault in the Constitution !

Dear Paul,

I don't envy Scott Morrison's job. He's set to come out
from lockdown facing battles on climate change,
and the government's treatment of women (rural women
are upset at Barnaby's re-election) and all this with his
new Coalition partner. Good luck with that.

This change leaves the Coalition with its sixth Prime
Minister and Deputy combination since coming to power in 2013.

I felt sorry for Michael McCormack in Question Time
yesterday - still championing the Government's agenda
while Barnaby watched from the backbench (he gets sworn in
today).

"Que sera sera" McCormack said as he ended his last
Question Time in charge. This was followed by applause from
across the chamber.

I wonder if Morrison can rescue this situation?

Individual,

I agree with you. I also don't think it wise once
a politician has disgraced himself - the way Mr
Joyce did - that he should be allowed to be re-instated
in such a top position. But I guess that accordidng to
the party rules - he can be - and was. I can only wonder
how close the vote went - and how many women were
allowed to vote? Mr Joyce's reputation is not a good one.
And he's of no credit to the Coalition.

Will they never learn ?
McCormack is just another leader/victim of the global warming debate.
Sco Mo is running hot for zero50 and not all are convinced that it is
the way to go. Certainly we should pay, while China fiddles.
Oh did you hear, the UN Heritage organisation is about to wrap
Australia over the knuckles for the destruction of the Great Barrier Reef ?
The chairman of which is China ! Oh Dear, hmmm.

Dear Bazz,

I'm sure that the Prime Minister knows how to deal
with China and others. He won't compromise Australia's
sovereignty or interests. He's done remarkably well
thus far. I'm just hoping that Mr Joyce won't be the
fly in the ointment - and obstruct things for our PM
and the Party. Mr Joyce is not very discreet or
diplomatic.

Thank god for small mercies.

Now at least we have one leader who has some common sense, & will slow to some extent, the mad rush to self destruction of the western world.

He will not be a useful idiot, like most here, & fall for the rubbish that CO2 can make much difference to global temperature.

I think the left has won, for the moment. With the totally stuffed education system, so few come out of even university with enough math to understand the facts of radiation absorbance. They are easily conned by the global warming scam, blaming CO2 & fossil fuels. I wonder how long the cooling sun, & loss of reliable electricity generating plants will take to wise up the brethren.

I personally have given up trying to show idiots the facts. Again thank god that there are some like Barnaby who have enough fire in their belly to bother to try.

The Prime Minister is going to have to tread carefully
and walk the line -
between two difficult pulling forces.

1) Pressure from strategic allies like the United
States and the United Kingdom for more robust
emission reduction targets.

And -

2) A Coalition partner - the Nationals, who are
firmly wedded to the country's fossil fuel industry.

The first is about Australia's standing in the world.
The second is about the PM's domestic political
standing with an election looming.

As Alan Jones pointed out - the PM can't stand his
new Deputy Prime Minister - Barnaby Joyce - but the man
just may save the Coalition. Therefore -
my bet is the PM will fold and go with his political
standing. He won't commit to zero emissions by 2050
as initially planned.

Unfortunately we are all going to see how politically
toxic the climate change debate is going to be
here in Australia.

At least Mr Joyce will be happy. His pay packet has more
than doubled from $211.500 a year to - $433.575.
Perhaps now he'll be able to live comfortably as well
as meet his obligations to his two families.

$211.500 a year to - $433.575.
Foxy,
I simply fail to see the justification for such salaries for what exactly ?
The Opposition too who btw, really does nothing, gets paid way over the top !
People who keep it all running get a fraction in wages.
I think it's time these top bureaucrat salaries get reduced !

Individual,

My mind boggles at the amount being paid.
Plus all the additional perks that they receive.
It seems so unfair - while some people are suffering.

cont'd ...

And we'll never get them to reduced their salaries
not while they keep giving themselves salary
increases.

To all you lefties having a sook at Barnaby getting back in. Where was all this concern for women and honesty when R J Hawke was shagging anything with a pulse, cheating on his wife and family and completely with the connivance of the Main Stream Media? I will refrain from bringing up little Billy Shortens young socialist past to say nothing of his very advantageous marriages.

Foxy,
.
The Depty PM is so far down the Precedent list that he comes in at a round 16TH and I’m probably wrong about that, he’s the second highest of nothing.

JBowyer,
I'm no Leftie by any stretch of the imagination but recycling duds is not a good move so close to a federal election.
Surely, they could have come up with someone with some charisma. In this day & age the should have made a woman Deputy PM !
After all, competence plays no part in these circles anyway !

Thank god we don't have people with charisma in leadership. I've never seen one yet that was not so full of themselves they were hopeless at anything important.

What we need is good simple managers, not pretentious show offs.

Just saw where the Labor gits laughed at Joyce's saying that as the father of four daughters he was of course concerned about women safety.
They couldn't stoop much lower !
And people support gits like that ?

This should not become a political slanging bunfight.
Instead of Left Wing or Right Wing - why not look
at the whole bird in question instead?

Does Mr Joyce deserve the position he's received?
Will he do a good job?

We'll have to wait and see.

My gut feeling - is Nah!
He's a grub!

And comparing him to other grubs does not change the
fact that he's still a grub!

My gut feeling - is Nah!
Foxy,
I agree & the same goes for the grubs that make up the labor Party !

individual,

Labor's got to change their leader.
To who though?

Foxy,
Give them Barnaby !
The Nats might not have signed their own Death Certificate but they certainly put in a successful application with Barney !

Hasbeen, if my favorite theory, well more than a theory, is correct
then we will not see a detectable cooling trend for about 50 years.
The high peak is believed to have been around 2000, right on schedule.
The next null low will be in 300 to 500 years.

Foxy, I listened to RN yesterday morning and they had women lined up
to criticise Barnaby. Wondered about those in glass houses.
To all;
I think that as far as the country people are concerned the Nats will
demand to know the costs of zero50. When a grazier gets a letter
ordering him to halve the size of his flocks there will be hell to pay.
Will police be sent out to count sheep ?
These are the questions which will need answers.
This is really the question that toppled the Labour contender,
Bill Shorten and helped them to lose the election.

This is such a serious decision, that to do it uncosted borders on
criminal dereliction of duty.
That hoary old answer "less than doing nothing" is not relevant.

Dear Bazz,

Barnaby Joyce has always been a solo act. However
he needs to realise that he's not the only person
in the room. He says he's changed and is a better
person? Nah! His words are hollow unless accompanied
by meaningful action. And I don't blame the rural
women. They know him only too well. He's out for
himself. Not rural Australia. He's a blowhard - always
has been. I'm sure that Scott Morrison will be able to
handle him. Just as Turnbull did.

Barnaby is the only one I have seen in the last couple of decades who has always tried to give an honest answer to any question he has been asked, it has cost him when dealing with smart ass reporters.

That makes him my most preferred politician of the entire current bunch.

No he is not polished, or charismatic, thank god. The most charismatic of the last century were Hitler, Mao Zedong, Stalin, Churchill & Douglas MacArthur. Each killed millions. Lets have simple, if flawed leaders thanks, preferably pragmatic rather than visionary.

Foxy,
You’re so right on the mark, as usual.
Barnaby is noted for the fact that in his rural electorate of New England there are no women voters.

Hasbeen,

Thank You for sharing with us your opinion
of Barnaby Joyce. You like the man.
Fair enough.

Is Mise,

Many country women have voiced their opinions about
Barnaby Joyce. They're women who are supporters of
the Nationals - but they don't approve of
Mr Joyce being re-instated. And they have voiced
their strong opinions.

Foxy

They are a small sample of National party women voters

Barnaby got re-elected

Is Mise,

It's not over yet.

Wait and see what happens next.

I heard something on ABC Radio (yeah, yeah alright) where more water was allocated to some producers since Barney got back.
The question is, is it for a logical reason or just political ?
Anyone know the ins-outs of this ?

You can rely on those cow cockies. In NSW they have been useless dealing with Covid. Now Barrel's has got Big Nose over a barrel, Nationals are marching into Parliament House and bring Covid with them.

Bad enough NSW had Mr Limo driving around Covid cases from the airport without ppe or any vaccination, a complete stuff up by NSW Health Minister The Hazzard. The same bloke who waved them off the Ruby Princess, with 28 dead from the virus.

individual,

Not sure if this is what you're referring to:

http://www.theconversation.com/australias-watergate-heres-what-taxpayers-need-to-know-about-water-buybacks-115838

The issue isn't about nett zero by 2050. That's going to happen. Our two major parties are locked into that fantasy.

We will set a target that by 2050 we will absorb as much carbon as we admit. Its all make-believe and we will never achieve it, but the other developed nations are also playing make-believe and we will be required to play along. At some point in the 2040's political leaders all over the world will be explaining why their nation couldn't live up to the promises the previous generation made, while making more equally unattainable promises - "plus ça change..". On the other hand, technological changes not yet envisaged may come along to make the carbon economy obsolete, in which case all the promises will have been in vain anyway.

So we will have 2050 targets. The Nats know that. But the issue is who will pay for us to met those targets. As I've explained before, everyone is okay with having these feel-good targets so long as someone else picks up the tab. That's why Labor had such problems over Adani - their green wing wants others to pay, and their miner wing would prefer to not do so.

The Nats aren't trying to stop the target. They are trying to ensure that, unlike the Kyoto targets, their supporters aren't forced to pick up the tab. If we really wanted to meet these targets we could double petrol prices and quadruple electicity prices. But no party would promise that because the urban voters would revolt. So they promise things that insulate the cities and get the farmers and miners to pay, just as with Kyoyto. The Nats are determined to prevent that this time.

Relax everyone, by 2050 it will have become obvious that the temperature
rise has stopped and a slight decline will be noticeable.
The temperature rise peaked on schedule 300 years after the lowest
temperature in the Maunder minimum around the 1790s.
The current cycle appears to be 600 years long, but the next could be
1000 years long. The Turku uni people are trying Fourier analysis to
work out how each cycle varies.
By 2050 people will be wondering what the zero2050 was all about.

To mimic Bill Clinton: IT IS THE SUN STUPID !

Yes Bazz, but long before 2050 the lights will start going out far too regularly for even those specially treated inner city high rise folk to be spared the inconvenience of blackouts. It is only going to take a few times when the woke lefties are sitting in their high rise with the lifts not running for the love affair with windmills to dissipate like a morning fog.

Anyone with even half a brain knows that windmills & solar, even with the biggest batteries ever imagined just can't carry the load, & even the woke will learn this fact fairly soon. We will never get anywhere near 2050 before even they wake up.

Can you imagine the Poms, & some US states want to [& actually are] ban gas heating & cooking, & make cars electric, while closing down much of the reliable power generation. How many this tomfoolery will kill in their cold winters is any one's guess, but the toll will be huge somewhere before the fools wake up.

Obviously the Germans have woken up, even if they are not publicly admitting it. They aren't banning gas, but are funding a new gas pipeline from Russia to power their electricity plants & home heating, along with industry. A bit tricky of them, while talking their competitors to shut down theirs.

It is just this sort oh thing that Barnaby won't fall for. Time for the nationals to start using their power as the greens do, to force their will on anyone wanting their support. At least they will do it constructively, rather than destructively.

Scott Morrison is caught in a bind.

1) Glasgow climate summit in November.
Where he'll be under pressure to commit to a net
zero emissions target.

2) At home the PM is faced to deal with a minor
coalition partner now led by a man who will
reportedly push for a new coal-fired power station
and for agriculture and mining to be exempt from emissions
targets.

The looming general election will test whether rural
voters are prepared to endure Barnaby Joyce's antics
or will they swing to more savvy independents.

It also remains to be seen whether urban voters
will tolerate a Prime Minister whose transactional
politics leaves Australia exposed at home and abroad.

Will our PM be able to come out a winner?
I think he will.

Barnaby has his faults but he would never attack his own country and seek to destroy Australian’s jobs as the Green’s Adam Bandt has done, it’s obvious that Barnaby is better for Australia.

is Mise,
I agree with that part of Barney !

Is Mise,

Barnaby Joyce I am sure will try to keep the
fossil fuel industries working. His re-election
depends on it. Whether that's good for the
country is another matter. And so is the question
of whether his electorate will continue to see him in
the same light. Perhaps another contender will
challenge him - who knows.

Foxy,
Strangely you didn’t remark on Bandt, the man who has actively set out to. harm the Australian economy.

Rubbish Issy,

The wreakers can be seen, not in the Greens, a party that believes in long term sustainability, through comprehensive policies, but in the parties like the Nationals who mostly appeal to the lowest common denominator, the sectional interest crowd. Of course there is your party, the Shooters and Hooters who are only interested in the fanciful enjoyment of few disturbed individuals. A party of no policies, other than getting your rock off with a gun

Hasbeen, read a comment from the Electricity Reliability Board that
the developers installing renewables are not placing them near the
best points on the grid. It seems that the solar in some locations
is producing more than the grid at that point is designed to handle.
That indicates that a lot of money will have to be spent on the grid.
The grid needs to be able to feed the maximum power from anywhere to
anywhere on an intermittent generation system.
I would have thought the grid engineers would tell them where they
can install the solar/wind farm and where they couldn't. It seems not.

Is Mise,

I can't remark on someone I know nothing about.

Foxy.

Why not?
You do so often enough.

There’s plenty on Google on the man trying to undermine his country.

Is Mise,

Why should I do research on someone I'm not
interested in? I would if I was.
I'm not so I won't.

Any other suggestions?

Issy, still in favour of 5 year olds taking loaded guns to school? Still supporting the training of child killers? Its part of the Shooters and Hooters unrestricted gun policy. AND, you want to have a shot (no pun intended) at Adam Bandt. Shameful Issy, the elephant killer Fat Bob is calling you.

I note that only half a dozen posters have shown interest in Barnaby Joyce's return to bossing the Nationals. No big deal then. Probably no big deal for voters, either.

Barnaby Joyce most people don't take seriously.
Whether his voters will still support him at
the next election remains to be seen.

The left whingers keep on about how useless Barnaby Joyce is, however, the reality is that he is a good campaigner and has twice smashed the left's darling Tony Whinger.

Michael McCormack lost because there is no leadership place for a complaint wallflower.

Foxy,
Not interested in Adam Bandt?
Strange, I thought that you were interested in politics.

Paul,
Have you nothing to say about Brandt’s actions against his own country?

Shadow Minister,

Barnaby Joyce is a bloke out for himself.
And the secret of his success thus far is
his attempted sincerity. If you can fake it,
you think you've got it made. He may get a surprise
at the next election. We don't know how close
the vote was between Barnaby and McCormack.

Is Mise,

I'm interested in a lot of things.

Adam Bandt is not one of them.

Why are you so interested in what interests
me - and why Adam Bandt? If you want to say something
about the man - spit it out - but what's he got to do
with this discussion?

He started off OK, but he has blotted his copy book too many times since. His constituents will probably keep voting for him, so what the rest of us think doesn't mean anything.

The fact that he thinks the illegal Tamils should be exempt from our immigration laws is enough for me to say that he is not a fit person to be in parliament, never mind be deputy PM. But, the Liberals will probably cave into them too.

I thought the bloke he knifed for the job seemed a decent enough, old fashioned gentleman type. But that's what is likely have done for him. That sort of stuff is not popular with the immature, self-serving rabble in politics today.

Bazz, "Hasbeen, read a comment from the Electricity Reliability Board that the developers installing renewables are not placing them near the best points on the grid. It seems that the solar in some locations".

That has been one of Germany's problems Bazz. Much of their wind power is far remover from the Ruhr Valley where it is needed. They have been using parts of other countries grids to get it to their industry, & those countries are jacking up.

Transmission lines are expensive to build, & even more expensive in resources, particularly steel & copper. Even Germany can't economically justify the expenditure involved, just as we can't afford the inter connectors keeping the failed state, SA alive.

Wind has a few major problems, other than it's expense & intermittency.

It has to be cited where wind is as reliable as possible, it causes major problems if too close to any habitation, & combined this means it mostly has to be cited far from the major demand for the power. Add to this the fact that it has to have reliable back up in the form of dispatchable power generation to support it when not available.

Even Turnbull's white elephant of Snowy 2.0 will not have the capacity to take the load for a regularly wind drought in cloudy periods.

While nuclear could replace fossil fuels for power generation, it is unlikely to gain acceptance any time soon. I'm sure a reliable & acceptable generation system will be found, but it is not possible before 2050. We are going to be using fossil fuels for a long time still, even without the sensible voice of Barnaby

Looking at the time it seems to take to build nuclear stations if they
started tomorrow we would still get a lot of blackouts.
If the stations have not been completely dismantlement they will have
to remove the rule that gives the w/s priority over coal stations
otherwise they will close them instead of going broke.
Of course Germany was too small to use w/s. Australia might just be
big enough but I doubt our maximum load would justify the expense.

I just do not see why the powers that be and the greenies cannot see that !

Foxy
I just thought that you might have made a comparison between a politician like Joyce who is interested in Australians having jobs and a traitor like Bandt who asked foreign governments to cut trade with us, thus destroying local jobs.

Joyce will be re-elected because he is a good local representative and is popular as a person as well; I didn’t vote for him.

Is Mise,

Predicting anything in politics is risky at the
best of times as Mr Shorten learned at the last
election. You like Barnaby Joyce. Fair enough.
I don't. He's a grub.

As for Adam Bandt? He's your interest.
Not mine.

Howdy Issy,

How's them gunnies of yours hanging?

"In October 2017, Robert Borsak (Shooters and Hooters Party leader) told the Herald that he wants to see AUSTRALIA'S GUN LAWS SCRAPPED and lamented the fact there was no national gun lobby like the NRA in Australia." This party owes its existence to a far right foreign extremist organisation, the US National Rifleman's Association which controls them from afar. How disloyal can you get when it comes to supporting Australia.

Issy, don't bang on about Adam Bandt, when you have shown support for a party that would be happy to see loaded guns in the hands of school children, and is happy to train child killers, as they did with John Edwards. A party that views the Port Arthur massacre as a bit of bad luck, a storm in a tea cup to them.

Issy
Nothing to say about the shooters and Hooters?

I am overjoyed that Barnaby is back as leader. The fact it winds all you Danny Dim Sim supporters up is an absolute joy to me!
Ten pages and still banging on but not one of you lefties answered my original post? R J Hawke would bang anything with a pulse, alcoholic and betrayed his wife and family. Shorten, accused of rape which as I understand it means the ABC think he did it. Billie's marriages?
Hahahaha this is great fun, suffer in your jocks!

Paul,
Yes, what I’d like to see is one iota of evidence for your claims.
Go to it.

Hi Issy,

Your top dog Fat Bob Ballsup told the Herald newspaper in 2017;
"that he wants to see AUSTRALIA'S GUN LAWS SCRAPPED and lamented the fact there was no national gun lobby like the NRA in Australia." That is the word of your Grand Wizard himself.

Once you scarp Australia's gun laws, its Dodge City revisited, school kids will be toting guns around school yards. AND some pathetic hunt club out west, which wouldn't have two cents to rub together, "donated" $30 grand to the Shooters and Hooters Party. NRA money brought in by gunnies from the US, all cash at less than $10k at a time per individual to avoid declaration, very sus would you not agree.

JBowyer,

A very spirited post, putting the lefties in their place. Well said! They have probably forgotten about the poor character of past Socialists (memories of goldfish).

However, what the Hawkes etc did in the past doesn't excuse Joyce: he is not much chop. Anyone who can't handle his own life should have no say or influence over the lives of 25 million Australians, Nationals, Liberals or Labor. The others, Greens, independent riff-raff and also rans don't get much chance do it.

As for the lack of response to your original post - maybe they can't?

JBowyer,

I did say on page 4 of this discussion that
comparing Barnaby Joyce to other grubs
did not change the fact that Barnaby Joyce
was still a grub!

Those who try to stir the crap pot
should be made to lick the spoon.

I see that Joyce is siding with Senator Sam McMahon against Jacinta Price for preselection. Ms. McMahon felt it was necessary to say that her odd walk in in the Senate the the other day was because she was ill, not intoxicated.

Paul,
I don’t doubt that he said that, but you’ve left out the evidence for your claims about the NRA funding and you continue to ignore the facts about gun clubs training people.

Issy,

The inescapable fact is members of the SSAA, a body linked to the Shooters and Hooters Party, trained John Edwards in the used of firearms. Edwards then used those acquired skills to murder his two children Jack and Jennifer. If the Greens had done anything slightly like this you would be all over it like a rash. Because its your mob, you try to excuse it by hiding behind the legality of it all, but you can't excuse their moral failure.

Smug, it fools no one that two bob gun clubs can "donate" large amounts of cash to the Shooters. The money is slipped into Australia through the back door from the NRA. The Dickson fool from One Nation got caught out, as you know. One Nation and Shooters are a tag-team outfit in the NSW LC.

Paul,
The people who trained Edwards were legally obliged to do so, to have refused to do so would have been the grossest form of discrimination and would have left them open to prosecution and no one rejects a person who has been deemed a fit and proper person by the Commissioner of Police.

Suggest that you read the Coroner’s report on the matter.
The report clearly shews that all fault lay with the Police Firearms Registry.

Now how about some evidence to back your claims.

Paul, you blaming someone of double standards is hilarious coming from you !

BS Issy,

Is that why several clubs rejected Edwards before he found a home with your mates at the St Marys Gun Club. They wanted to be sued, do you make it up yourself, or are you channelling Charlton Heston.

Bazz, there are no Muslims for you to hate here, so pull your head in.

Paul,
Those clubs rejected him before he had a licence, as is also their right by law but once he got a Commissioner’s Permit he was legally a fit and proper person and could not be rejected.
He didn’t get a normal pistol licence because of the rejection by the club so he applied for a CP and got one, not an easy thing to do.

Have you read the Coroner’s report yet?

Foxy you started on Barnaby but refuse to acknowledge that Hawke and Shorten were both guilty of worse?
You bring this up and then squeal when you get called out for rank hypocrisy. Because you hate Barnaby's politics but defend and support Hawk and Shorten.
It's OK as this is what you people do, so lick your own spoon now!

Remember the old one Foxy?
Let he who is without sin throw the first stone.

You should try that some time, other wise some of us just might remember that 2 labor leaders went to jail for kiddy fiddling here in Queensland.

Many people stuff up their sex lives, it is pretty much the human condition, but we would be idiots if we then refused their service in things at which they are superior.

Gentlemen,

Give it a rest.

You have your opinions. I have mine.

Which of us is wrong time will tell.

cont'd ...

And this is not a competition to see which side
of politics has the most grubs. "Your grub is
bigger than mine." The fact is - this discussion
is about Barnaby Joyce - and his return. And the
man is a grub. But hey, that's my opinion. I
question his behaviour all round. His personal life
is not of much interest to me - it's his entire
behaviour I find disgusting. He's out for himself.
not for his electorate. Wait and see - what his voters
decide at the next election.

Well, Barnaby bet on the wrong horse, and Jacinta Price has pushed the "ill" Sam McMahon down the Senate ladder. The best person yet for the aboriginal-identifiers and everyone else could be in the Senate. She should be accompanied by Warren Mundine, the other sane and realistic descendant of the indigenous.

It has been suggested that Barnaby Joyce's re-election to leadership of the National Party has given Australians a megaphone. The Liberal Party had dragged the Australian people and the Nationals towards a net zero target against their will, and McCormack sat back and said nothing.

The leadership spill was based solely on the Coalition's shift to zero emissions - i.e Labor policy - which was voted against when the Coalition was re-elected because the people did not want Labor's climate policy

Foxy,

Not comparing the number of grubs (Labor and greens have far more), but more that you only criticise one side. You ardently defend Bill Shorten even though his record is far worse than Joyces.

shonkyminist, you should be pleased, Ms Sports Rorts is back with her hundreds of millions of taxpayer money to waste on Coalition pork barrelling.

I'll see your Shorten and raise you a Cry Baby Porter, Barnyard Joy, The Up Skirter Lemming, Bed Fellows Gladys and Darrel, some accused rapists, lots more in NSW, SA and Tassy. To add an international flavour, that Tory in England who likes to have it of with the office girl. All your kinda guys!

Pauliar,

You are starting with 2 paedophiles in the greens, crooks and paedos in the Labor party etc. Your grub file is richer than anyone elses.

Paul1405,
Well, deserved or not but at least some communities got good sporting facilities. What does any community get from the billions wasted within Academia/Buraucracy under the umbrella of the Guilt industry ?

Shadow Minister,

I don't defend anyone.

I merely present the facts.

And talking about defending only one side?

Coming from you that's absurd.

Barnaby! the gift that keeps giving! This is wonderful all you lefties ignoring your political mates crimes and misdemeanours but attacking the other side. Much like me but actually I hate the whole stinking corrupt lot of them. All of them!! They all have to go!

JBowyer,

Most rational people don't ignore any corruption or
bad behaviour of politicians. And most people also
don't divide people into left wing or right wing.
They go for the whole bird instead.

Joyce says Australia absolutely needs high efficiency, low emissions coal fired power stations.

Hopeless shagger he might be, but he is right about that. Let's hope he can get the shagger of our country, Morrison, back on the right track. The polls are now 49% to 51% against the Coalition hoping for a fourth term by emulating Labor. Voters could be thinking that, if the Liberals want to be Labor-lite, they might as well vote for the real thing and get more free stuff.

Foxy,

You were the one claiming that Shorten was cleared of the charge of rape when simply there was insufficient evidence to prosecute. That he also ripped off workers when he was a union boss seems to count little in your eyes. Fortunately, the rest of the country saw through him and gave him the boot.

As for the pedogreens with 2 convicted paedophiles a councillor charged with theft and assault, what can I say?

Shadow Minister,

I was simply presenting the given facts at the
time regarding Mr Shorten. That's what I do -
its an occupational habit. Regarding Mr Joyce.
His sex life doesn't interest me. What does is
his policy leanings and his disruption and
his attempts to divide his own party. As
I keep repeating - he's a grub and a trouble maker.
The sooner he goes the better.

Foxy,

You didn't present the facts available at the time, as the police statement at the time did not clear Shorten at all.

Secondly, that you call Joyce a grub because of his beliefs is wretched. Joyce regained the representation of the nationals because McCormack clearly didn't.

In typical Joyce fashion of believing he is above us all with his inflated sense of entitlement, Bonking Barney has been fined $200 for defying Covid rules in NSW. Foxy is right, what a grub!

Shadow Minister,

More utter nonsense from you.

Police cleared Mr Shorten. Mr Shorten had been
thoroughly and vigorously investigated by police and
he fully cooperated to clear his name. He freely
answered all questions. No criminal charges were
laid. However why bring up Mr Shorten? Or for that
matter McCormack? The vote was very close. And it
still does not make Barnaby less of a grub.

Hi Foxy,

Bonking Barney was thoroughly and vigorously investigated by his cronies in the National party who in their secret never released report found, "nothing to see here". Was the chief judge Fat George the member for South Manila? We don't know, its all a hush, hush secret.

Foxy,

Utter bollocks from you. Shorten was never cleared. There were charges laid because being only the rape victim as a witness there was insufficient proof for a conviction. Just like Pell.

Joyce is less of a grub than Shorten and a whole string of senior labor MPs and Greens MPs.

Shadow Minister,

What does any of that have to do with Barnaby
Joyce being a grub?

Foxy,

You are making yourself out to be the sole arbiter of who is a grub or not. As you claim it is not because Joyce had an affair and married a staffer, but because of his policies.

I would guess that your definition of grub is anyone that is not a left whinger.