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Do protests work?
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Posted by mhaze, Monday, 24 May 2021 10:11:20 AM
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"And as history has shown - look at what
they achieved." Its probably best not to confuse correlation with causation. To suggest that protest calling for the dismantling of the Soviet empire were what caused said dismantling, is laughably beyond belief. Because protests/protesters call for something to change doesn't mean they caused the change when it happens. Women got the vote in places where there were no protests. Indeed I'd argue that protests often delay change, especially when they become violent and seek to disparage or humiliate the other side. This causes a hardening of positions and opinions and makes change more difficult.There is little doubt the violent anti-war movements of the late 1960's delayed our withdrawal from that conflict due to the government not wanting to be seen to surrender to the baying mob. Posted by mhaze, Monday, 24 May 2021 10:24:40 AM
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We don't have to answer this for ourselves. There is good research:
Chenoweth, Erica, and Stephan, Maria J. (2013). Why civil resistance works: the strategic logic of nonviolent conflict. Columbia University Press. Cheers -- Bo Posted by bobd35, Monday, 24 May 2021 10:42:39 AM
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Many people who hold a narcistic view of their self importance want to be recognized for social change in the annals of history merely for their view of self importance.
Western society as it currently exists has within it corrective powers against injustice - called "free speech". For instance the principle is: "All persons are equal", which means there should not be any form of injustice; however not all persons have equal ability, social roles, same culture, nor make equal contribution to a society; many of the present protests are trying to capture social inequality by protest, rather than viewing equality in diversity. Posted by Josephus, Monday, 24 May 2021 11:49:30 AM
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A protest in itself is very unlikely to have an
impact. It's got to be a long running campaign that draws in all kinds of elements of society in order to convince the government or governments that they need to change. However protests do work. Lets take a look at just some that have: Regarding police brutality and George Floyd (Black Lives Matter Movement). France has banned its police from using the chokehold and Minneapolis has voted to dismantle and rebuild its police force. Sydney's first Mardi Gras in 1978 was disastrous with disapproving police who violently suppressed demonstrators and made 52 arrests. Today the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras draws tens of thousands of people to Sydney's Oxford Street in an annual celebration of LGBTIQ communities. Posted by Foxy, Monday, 24 May 2021 12:33:49 PM
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Foxy,
African Americans are waking up to Black Lives Matter, as it is causing division and promoting racism, rather than deal with issues of social disadvantage. The outcry of Protesters was "defund the Police", not stop the choke hold when arresting uncooperating criminals. The result is thousands of law enforcers have resigned because of hostility toward them and crime has increased in areas where Police are wary to go. You call the BLM protests successful. http://scholarworks.waldenu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=7527&context=dissertations Communist China has been funding BLM in America in an endeavor to create discord in American society. So far they have been successful in achieving their goal but because Covid also came out of China it has caused conflict with Chinese citizens in America a misinformed protest. Posted by Josephus, Monday, 24 May 2021 2:48:47 PM
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Of course it could be argued that they really weren't protests just rioting and/or organised looting.
Either way, support declined across all political groups following the protests/rioting/looting.
Do protests work? Well, again, it depends on the aims. If the aim is to get a new 65cm TV then they absolutely work.