Hi All

This White Paper by America’s Front-Line Doctors is full of interesting information that you might now know about the covid shots.

The Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZenica and J&J products are not approved by the FDA. Those defending the shots by comparing them with vaccines are confusing approved with non-approved.

Pharma are shielded from liability. Imagine that. [But businesses, doctors, nurses, and negligent government officials remain liable.]

The relevant companies are not claiming that the shots will:
Stop transmission of the virus
Reduce death or hospitalisation rates. “If fact the vaccine protocols did not measure if the vaccine prevented serious disease or death.”
They were declared effective on the basis of tiny samples of persons who got madly symptomatic in the placebo versus control groups
The death rates is 100 x that for the flu vaccine.

Breach of Nuremberg principles; unacceptable risk of fertility; lack of justification in U.S. law - read ‘em and weep.

www.stopworldcontrol.com/downloads/science/experimental.pdf

It will be interesting to see whether someone gets up a class action over this in Australia. The Federal Court rules mean that if you can get 7 or so plaintiffs with the same legal complaint, you can start a class action. Since it means one case, but many clients, they can be very profitable, so I think we can assume class action lawyers will be looking at it.

Administrative law provides corrective orders against government officials for unlawful actions, but not money damages. To get a court order for money compensation, you’ve got to prove a tort such as negligence. But I think, since promoting the shots is in breach of the Nuremberg principles it would be relatively easy to prove negligence in making the executive decision to adopt that policy? Watch this space.

Hi Cumberland,

A couple of things for your information: -

The TGA (Therapeutic Good Administration) in Australia
is part of the Australian Government's Department of
Health. They regulate medicines, vaccines, medical
devices, blood, blood products, et cetera. They provide
access to safe and effective COVID-19 vaccines in
Australia. The TGA assesses all COVID-19 vaccines before
they are used in Australia.

The TGA will only register a vaccine if its benefits
are much greater than its risks.

This means every vaccine available in Australia has been
proven to protect against COVID-19.

Clinical trials for the Pfizer and Astra Zeneca vaccines
have shown that these 2 vaccines are effective in
preventing:

1) Development of COVID-19 and -
2) Protecting against severe disease.

These trials involve tens of thousands of participants
worldwide.

Your giving us information about what some so called
"frontline doctors" in the US have stated in a report
has no bearing to Australia.

cont'd ...

Cumberland, are you aware that America's Frontline
Doctors group has a notorious reputation for
spreading misinformation about the pandemic. That they
have little to no experience in treating Covid-19
patients. That they are not fact based or reputable.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid-19/90536

What would it cost for you to go away?

ttbn

LOL.

Try harder.

Foxy
It's the other way around. You have been misinformed.

Not even the manufacturers are claiming that the so-called vaccines protect stop you getting covid, or stop you getting sick, or stop you spreading it, or stop you spreading the 'vaccine'. It's a question of fact. Look it up.

Secondly, the TGA is not in a position to say it's safe or effective, because the clinical trials have not been done. I've already told you this. Why are you pretending you don't know?

Governments and mass media are notorious for misinformation about covid. Literally every step of the way, they have got it wrong or at least contradicted themselves: on masks, on lockdowns, on the tests, on the results, on the numbers.

It is not a credible or trustworthy approach to the knowledge problem to simply repose blind confidence in what they are telling you.

You need to think for yourself.

Libelling the group is not a competent answer. You need to reply point on point with evidence and reason, not just satisfy yourself with hurling a personal insult that someone else supplies you with, and repeat the circular confidence that authority answers all questions.

All
Notice the method of appeal to blind faith in the state and the media, backed up by personal attack - every time?

Notice the inability to engage on point in issues of fact or reason?

Notice the failure to identify or articulate the unspoken ASSUMPTION that the government is an all-caring, all-knowing, all-competent God, our saviour and redemption, to be obeyed without question, and dissenters castigated and silenced

Hi Cumberland,

You need to fact-check your information.
That is something that I automatically do.

I can see that there is no point in
discussing anything with you.

Have a nice day.

Foxy

How do you know the difference between misinformation and not-misinformation? How do you know your fact-checking isn't misinformation?

There is no knowledge problem, because you just know everything, right?

Also, given the fact that government is responsible for having imported the virus, when Blind Freddie knew before that that it was infectious and lethal, doesn't that prove that your assumption of governmental competence in covid policy is proved by fact-check to be misinformation?

Yes? Correct? You agree?

Cumberland,

America's Frontline Doctors are an extremist group.
They're an American right-wing political
organisation founded by Simone Gold in 2019 and
promoted by the "Tea Party Patriots".

They have opposed lockdowns and social distancing
during the COVID-19 pandemic by citing alleged and
unapproved treatments for COVID-19. Their behaviour
speaks for itself. They do not advocate for
evidence-based care.

Foxy

So you're saying that government has no competence in covid policy because they caused the entire problem? Yes? Correct?

Both HCQ and Ivermectin, combined with zinc and vitamin D, have much better, safer, and cheaper treatment records than any of the jabs. So what you're saying is misinformation, which you have got from non-credible, extremist left-of-Marx political ideologues and their propaganda. Fact.

You yourself are saying your sources are not credible because they imported covid, knowing it's infectious and deadly, in the first place.

BTW Since you fact-check everything, what is in the jabs that causes magnets to stick to them?

Foxy asserts "They [America's Frontline Doctors] do not advocate for evidence-based care."

But they are do, just not the evidence that people like Foxy are want to believe. There is also a lot of misinformation told about AFD which, of course, the usual suspects will accept without ever realising it is wrong.

Just one example...it is said that AFD advocates HCQ as a cure to the WuFlu. But they don't. They advocate HCQ + Zinc as a prophylactic. The distinction is vital and will confuse many who have convinced themselves that they are following the science.

In the years to come, when this who saga ceases to be about politics and the facts re-emerge as important, much of what is currently believed by the masses and advocated by government and big pharma, will be shown to be false. And just as we look back in fascination that the folk from the 1980s could fall for the lies told about AIDS, our descendants will look back at us and our responses to the so-called pandemic and ask what the hell were we thinking.

Thanks Foxy,

The link shows the so called 'America's Frontline Doctors' is a sham, its not made up of real doctors at all, rather made up of far right Trump extremist dressed in white coats. The so called "doctors", the few who are actually MD's of some sort are people attending to the needs of the "rich and famous, boob jobs and facelifts mostly. The clowns haven't come within cooee of a covid patent. Maybe Cumberland will provide evidence that the mob in white coats are expert doctors in the treatment of the virus, but that's probably too much to ask.

mhaze, fall in behind Cumberland , we still remember your rubbish last year about Covid-19 and how you trumpeted the Dangerous Doctor Donald. These days you don't have much to say about the effects of the pandemic in places like India and Brazil.

Paul1405

Had your covid shot, have you?

Nah Cumbo, not since Dr Quack said it will cause a males penis to fall off, and he will grow breasts, nine months later he will produce his first baby rhinoceros.

I'm confused, did Dr Quack say that, or did YOU post it on the Forum? Anyway, I'm taking Grannies cure for everything including Covid, a Bex, a cup of tea and a good lie down. Grannie said it works every time and she lived to be 97 and never had Covid once!

Just as anti vaxxers are not willing to put a number on the deaths they are prepared to tolerate from Covid-19 with their wild "no vaccination" line, we now have the over paid and underperforming head of 'Virgin Airlines' Jayne Hrdlicka (A Septic Tank!) telling Australians some must die from Covid-19, so her lousy airline can make a profit! It should be noted millions of taxpayer dollars have been spent propping up her airline, as it couldn't sustain itself in a "free market" and its not all down to the virus, 'Virgin' has been a business failure for years!

A simple question for Ms Hrdlicka as asked by Greens Senator Jordon Steele-John, exactly how many Australian deaths from Covid-19 are you prepared to accept so the bottom line of your flea bag airline can improve, and hopefully give you a big bonus and a fatter pay packet than you're getting compliments of the taxpayer at the moment? 50, 100, 1,000, 10,000, 1,000, 000... give us a number please.

BTW Hrdlicka made her unsavoury comments at a business noshup she attended in Brisbane yesterday. Did the taxpayer also pick up the tab for this gut stuffing lunch for the privileged?

In many parts of the world the vaccine roll out is going gang busters, saving countless lives in such places as America, China and Britain. Unfortunately in Australia the incompetent Morrison government has over promised and under delivered on the roll out of vaccines. Fortunately through good management of the pandemic mostly by the states Australia is not in a critical position with its vaccination program like in India and Brazil where thousands are dying everyday due to a lack of vaccination.