About three years ago OLO had a long discussion about the horrors of illegal kids being held in cages by the Trump administration. The consensus among the luvvies was that it was an "outrageous treatment of innocent children."

It was said to be entirely Trump's fault and proved how fascistic he and the Republicans were. This even when it was shown that it also happened under the demi-God Obama.

The outrage was palpable and the virtue signalling paramount.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8303

Of course, it wasn't just the reflexively TDS crowd here that got all bitter and twisted. People like AOC in the US staged fake visits to the site of the cages to show how appalled they were.


Well in those days, at its peak, there were about 2600 kids in detention under the Trump regime.

Today, under the regime of President Asterisk, there are about 18000 kids held in detention having crossed the border. That doesn't include those who died trying to cross the border with unknown numbers drowning in the Rio Grande.

It is claimed that 80% of women and young girls are raped on the way to the promised land. That used to matter to the woke.

And it is now said that the children held in detention are being sexually assaulted, aren't being fed properly and have little outdoor access. They are of course being held in the same cages that so distressed the virtuous three years ago but in vastly greater numbers requiring overcrowding that ignores all the covid social distancing rules.

The current government tried very hard to hide the problem and refused access to all reporters and photographers in to see what was really happening. But the truth will out. But even then, the old levels of outrage failed to appear.

So 2600 kids in detention- greatest act of inhumanity since Hitler.
17800 kids in detention- nothing to see here. Move along.

Its almost as though the people who decried the Trump handling of the issue don't really care about the kids - they were just a means to an end.

mhaze said- Its almost as though the people who decried the Trump handling of the issue don't really care about the kids - they were just a means to an end.

Answer-Classic communist tactics- stay on the offensive- don't worry about logic. I'm sure all sides are hypocritical at times- but communist tactics endorse it. Good point mhaze- kudos.

I admit I haven't followed the issue very closely, but AIUI there is one huge difference between now and three years ago:
Three years ago the children were locked in cages after the US government separated them from their parents.
The US government no longer separates them from their parents.

Am I wrong on this?

Dear Aiden,

No you are not wrong and the number of encounter between border officials and unaccompanied minors is still no where near what was occurring during its peak in 2019 under the Trump administration.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56405009

mhaze does not care about what happens to the children, all he really wants is the fear tactics of his president to be reinstated so the numbers drop. Nothing new here.

Everything is about politics, particularly if you are one of those lovely, kind and thoughtful lefties. This situation was brought up at least a month ago, in America, where the only people who can make their feelings known to the US government live. Nothing to do with us. Nothing we can do about it. My only thought on the matter is, what scumbags the people sending the kids are.

ttbn,
Why do you see everything in terms of left v right? Surely this is a libertarian v authoritarian issue?

Am I wrong on this?
Aidan,
In a way yes ! Due to the new US administration, parents now abandon their small children at the wall to get them into the US. At least under the previous outfit children weren't separated from parents. I've hear of figures as high as 2 million children being herded towards that wall because of the Democrats' promises which I think is a far worse situation !

One also forgets that Obama had far more children imprisoned and/or deported than Trump.

Just as Juliar left Abbott with 1000s of children in detention and the idiots in the AHRC then wanted to blame the coalition.

Just like the Labor morons in 2008 Biden has opened the flood gates and created a problem that didn't need to happen. The flood of unaccompanied children now cages is because bleeding-heart fwits made it easier for adults to get into the US if their children were there.

The United States of America has been violating human rights for over 500 years. The American elite have grown fat and extremely wealthy on the misery they have inflicted on others, be they Native Americans, Blacks, Hispanics, a very long list indeed. The problems on the US southern boarder are of their own making. Not content to exploit South and Central America as they have done for hundreds of years they now inflict more misery on the long suffering population by torturing them as they reach out to their oppressors for mercy.

I do so hope that the Americans are all listening to the experts on OLO telling them how to run their country.

Shadowminister,

Cages were part of an embarrasing Obama administration
get-tough policy in 2014 that also dehumanized migrants
as part of a mass detention policy, but it was only under
Trump that the US systematically separated children from
their families with no plans for reunification.

As American news sources have pointed put - "Biden unlike
anything Trump has ever done, admitted to a national TV
audience that what happened under President Obama was a
mistake. Biden then rattled off all he would do to
right a wrong."

"Trump on the other hand refused to accept any responsibility."

Trump as we know talks tough but can't accept responsibility
for anything.

Foxy,

And the children in cages now? Thanks to Biden's policies there are more in cages now than under Trump.

Shadowminister,

The Trump administration separated children from
their parents and held them in cells partitioned with
chain-link fences. That family separation policy is no longer
in effect.

/ cont

But none of the disaster is a mistake. From the Democrat perspective, they are importing future voters much as the Blair government thought of their immigration expansion. So this is not an error but a policy. The only concern for them is that it doesn't look good and is extremely unpopular - although given the changes being engineered to the electoral system, popular opinion probably no long matters.

Its so bad that the boarder Czar appointed by Biden only a month or two ago, has resigned. It seems she'd prefer to not be the scape-goat for this mess. Biden appointed Harris to fix the mess but she won't go anywhere near the border.

Funnily (or sadly) there are stories that the Biden regime is considering plans to recommence the construction of the 'big, beautiful wall'. I that happens the mental contortions the TDS crowd will have to go through to reconcile their allegiances will make Nadia Comaneci appear positively stiff jointed.

Again I'd point out that those who were anxious to display their concern for the kids when it disparaged Trump are now only concerned to not disparage Biden and his handlers, the kids be damned.

Hypocrisy reins supreme.

Aidan asks "Am I wrong on this?"

Yes. Although the majority of the kids in custody aren't removed from their parents, such separation does continue, primarily where the authorities feel the kid is in some danger. Indeed just today there are reports of complaints from parents that they can't get information on separated kids.

But it is true that the majority of the kids were self-separated. Basically the Biden regime told the parents that if the whole family arrived at the border they would not be permitted entry but if the kids turned up alone, they'd be accepted housed, fed and protected. Then once the kids were established in the US the parents could apply to be re-united.

So the parents took the hint and sent their kids over unaccompanied. Some drowned in the Rio Grande. Some were simply dropped over the fence. Some were abandoned in the desert in the hope that the US authorities would find them.

So if you think that the government separating kids from parents is different or better than government incentivising parents to abandon their own kids, then so be it. But I wonder if a 12 year old kid, held with 250 others in a cage designed for 60, ill-fed and trying to avoid sexual assault, would recognise the difference.

This whole thing is a disaster for the US, for the countries losing their peoples and for the kids in particular. Its orders of magnitude worse than the situation that applied before the election and is only getting worse. It is caused by the messaging from the new regime who basically said that they doors were open. Even the Mexican leadership has blamed Biden for giving out the wrong signals and creating what is mess in their border provinces.

There is no respite from this. Indeed the indications are that the numbers are ramping up.

/cont

oops...they came through in the wrong order.

Foxy,

You are missing my point, separating children stopped under Trump, but there are still more children in cages now since Biden made it attractive to send unaccompanied children across the border.

Biden is a clown.

Shadowminister,

The Trump administration's family separation policy
was an aspect of US President's Donald Trump's
immigration policy - "zero tolerance." It had
no precedent and was as many have described it
as "torture<" "cruel" and "inhumane."

There are still over 500 children whose parent
cannot be found. Yet you keep on defending that.
Shame on you Sir.

"There are still over 500 children whose parent
cannot be found. "

That's wrong. Just plain wrong.

In fact there are over 18000 kids who have no parents around. And all bar a small percentage came in post Biden.

I find it fascinating that people like Foxy are perfectly happy to air their utter hypocrisy on this so long as they don't have to disparage their favoured side.

Foxy,

Now you are just lying. I never defended the family separation under Trump. You should be ashamed of yourself.