"The Australian Senate has passed a motion brought forward by One Nation, pushing to ban the use of “distorted” gender-neutral language such as “chestfeeding” in official government materials.

The motion was put forward in the upper house on Tuesday by One Nation Senator Malcolm Roberts.

Roberts’ motion stated that “our fundamental biology and relationships are represented through the following descriptors – mother, father, son, daughter, brother, sister, boy, girl, grandmother, grandfather, aunt, uncle, female, male, man, woman, lady, gentleman, Mr, Mrs, Ms, sir, madam, dad, mum, husband, wife”.

“Broad scale genuine inclusion cannot be achieved through distortions of biological and relational descriptors,” Roberts said. “An individual’s right to choose their descriptors and pronouns for personal use must not dehumanise the human race and undermine gender.”
http://startsat60.com/media/news/politics/one-nation-gender-neutral-motion-passed-in-senate?utm_source=sendinblue.com&utm_campaign=SAS%20PM%20-%2018%20Mar%202021%2C%205%3A50am&utm_medium=email&uuid=e4590b8e-425c-4f43-bce1-732006068b38

The Greens are furious!!

"The Greens are furious".

The Greens are always furious. They are furious about everything. Their fury is the only thing that keeps them going. Fortunately, less than 10% of the population takes any notice of them - about the same percentage that takes any notice of their stupid "gender-neutral" nouns and language manipulation.

The Greens are furious!!
is Mise,
The Greens are an evolutional mishap !

The Greens are an intellectual and biological mutation from the normal human genome. Those of us that are of the original species can define by precise words. Human milk comes from mammary not the lungs and ribs. If you do not have mammary you cannot nurture an infant, and be called a mother.

What I find amazing is that, whenever archaeologists dig up bones from our ancestors, they're always either male or female.

No cis-males, no womxn, no bi-curious transitioning gays, no lesbians with cocks. Always just a bloke or a sheila.

Its as though all those other myriad genders were all created in the last few decades. Evolution, I guess.</sarc>

How DARE anyone define me as male.
I prefer to be categorized as mammatically challenged and ovarion and uterinally deficient.
Not my fault, I was born that way, so don't discriminate against me!

Next we will be arguing about the right and definition to the X/Y, Y/Y chromosomes?

The Greens dont even enter into that argument. Nor should or could they. One hopes....

I couldn't agree more with you IS MISE I'm positively sick and tired of what all these left-wingers are trying to do to us, our culture, our education system, and indeed trying hard to destroy, virtually everything that's become so much part of our lives. Their half-truths, their deceptions, and their attempts to distort just about everything we've hitherto believed in, including our history.

The myth that Captain James COOK when he landed at Botany Bay was an invader? With what, just one lightly armed Barque, a non-warship, a handful of Royal Marines, armed only with muskets and swords; an invasion...give me a break! COOK and his band, had no idea what perils awaited him in this unknown, strange land. Could it be the French, Spanish or the Portuguese, or tribe of waring warriors? Certainly, he didn't know; beside he came in friendship despite a few mishaps that occurred along the way?

I know when I attended Court on a regular basis, a defendant, a witness was either a man or woman, male or female, despite how or in what terms they described themselves or how they spoke, appeared or dressed.

You, IS MISE - TTBN; INDIVIDUAL; JOSEPHUS; and M HAZE; all speak with complete commonsense, yet these Left-Wingers continually sprout their damaging stuff, to a point our young people will be utterly confused and conflicted with everything they were taught as small children.

As far as our other valued contributor VIOLENTENTROPY is concerned, it's to be hoped he's been speaking with a view of amusing us all with his tongue firmly planted in his cheek?

I read the article:

>>Greens Senator Janet Rice attempted to comment on the motion but was denied permission, taking her frustration out on Twitter later that afternoon.

“I expect this s--t from One Nation,” she said. “But the Morrison Government just voted to support One Nation’s disgusting, bigoted Senate motion trying to deny the identity of trans and non-binary people.

“So the motion passed. What happened to governing for all Australians? Scumbags!”<<

So I was thinking to myself who's trying to take away whose identity here?
Are we trying to deny their identity or are they trying to deny everyone else's existing identities?

I clicked over to the twitter comment and the last reply under her twitter comment was this:

"As a lifelong Greens voter, I reject and am offended by anyone fighting to erase my identity as a mother, and replace my language with vile terms like chestfeeder, birthing parent, uterus haver. Women's rights should not be ignored to make males feel "validated". Read the room."

So even some Greens voters aren't happy about what the Greens have been promoting.

I don't think either side can come to any reasonable compromise.
- And whilst it all plays out we all lose and those with unknown global agendas keep shifting the goalposts.

As a Greens party member this for me is a non issue, call yourself what you like. Roberts has sat in the Senate for sometime without contributing much at all, except for his call for the employer right to universally sack workers. The guys a useless slug, One Nation like other far right groups have used the pandemic to promote hate speak of Asians, calling covid-19 China Virus. A mass shooting in the USA.

"Eight people were shot to death at three massage parlors in the Atlanta area on Tuesday evening, the authorities said, raising fears that the crimes may have targeted people of Asian descent.

Six of the people killed were Asian, and two were white, according to law enforcement officials. All but one were women." The New York Times.

Issy, is not the actions of a fellow gunnie of concern to you? Is not the mass shooting in the US, more important than references to chestfeeders.

Paul

"As a Greens party member this for me is a non-issue, call yourself what you like"

and so you should, but this is about what the Government calls one and that is a different matter.

What on earth has a shooting in the USA got to do with a motion passed in the Australian Senate?

Well how surprising that someone shooting up a couple of massage parlors killed mostly women, & mostly Asian women at that. Guess that indicates who is employed in the places.

The bloke is obviously a nut case, no matter what his politics if any. The worst aspect is that instead of being hung from the highest branch, he will be kept to a ripe old age, courtesy of the US tax payer.

Sticking to topic.
Paul, I too question your slight of hand in trying to deflect, when the topic is too hard for you to take.
I ask, where do you get your justifications and reasoning from, in backing such stupid, and incredibly twisted, mentally and socially deranged ideas and beliefs.
You have on so many occasions categorised me as some kind of pariah and I ignore you because you project a very worrying trend of self destruction.
You seem to follow all the wrong trends and social mis-fits and beliefs.
You side with ideologically driven, unrealistic, childish people with naïve and even more childish views on what they believe is going on in the world.
Or if not, their/your world is the correct version and it is happening NOW.
Rubbish, stop it with your unrealistic view of the world, and how we all should conduct ourselves, and take the other half baked know-it-all, know nothings, with you.
We don't need to have our lives turned up-side down and inside out, by a very sick and out of touch bunch of morons.
One of my mentors is Jordan Peterson.
You and certain others would do well to start listening to him, as well as another of my "guys", Ben Shapiro.
Open your eyes, and ears and you will find a completely different world out there than you and your cohorts have been sadly and pointlessly, trying to push.
I, and millions of others AKA, the MAJORITY, are fed up with us having to cow-tow to all these very sick and twisted minorities.
You can call yourselves, and do whatever you want to yourselves.
Just leave the rest of us 99.999% out of it.

ALTI,

Call yourself what you like, hairy chested wombat if you wish, I don't care. Because you are taken in by a couple of "personalities" from the extreme of political opinion Shapiro and Peterson don't mean I have to conform to their twisted ideology as well.

Issy,

A raciest stands up in the Senate and pontificates about a nothing, yet its his racists rants that encourages other nutters like Robert Long to do what they do. Roberts may not fire the gun, but he sure helps load the bullets.

the myth that Captain James COOK when he landed at Botany Bay was an invader?
o sung wu,
The Aborigines had no concept of Nation let alone of the World in 1770. Many Europeans were still in the dark ages also.
We now have these "welcome to Country" ceremonies & I wonder if they'd have had that 250 years ago, the relationships between explorers, shipwrecked people & so-called invaders could have turned out far more peacefully. Just think of being welcomed instead of attacked ? I'm certain that would have produced greater harmony between all.

A raciest stands up in the Senate and pontificates about a nothing,
Paul1405,
I never heard of that before, when did you address Parliament ?

Where does all this gendering lead to?

A Canadian man has been gaoled because he refused to refer to his daughter who wants to believe she's a bloke as his son. Instead he has been told under court order that he mustn't refer to the child as his 'daughter' or use words like 'she' or 'her' in reference to the kid.

Even worse he's been ordered that he must "affirm their child’s “gender identity,”.

Since he couldn't bring himself to do any of this, he's been gaoled.

http://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2021/03/18/a-canadian-father-is-jailed-for-violating-a-court-order-to-use-his-trans-childs-preferred-pronouns-n1433493

Out:free speech.
In: compelled speech. Four legs good.

mhaze, this world has been hi-jacked by sick and mental deviants, and due to a lack of courage, or interest, the majority have allowed a very sick and mis-guided rabble of irrelevant minorities to dictate the terms of our very existence.
If we, The People, the majority, don't get off our proverbials and regain control, we deserve all this bent and twisted acts of stupidity that we see being enacted into law.
Such as this latest stupid act of queers being allowed to MARRY?
That idiot Justin Tredeau, is a classical case in point of the dangers of things like nepotism.
He is a MAJOR MORON who has shown himself to be a pathetic, ignorant and useless individual, making comments and having beliefs that simply DO NOT, conform or comply with the will of the majority.
My solution to these sick morons, is very simple and will cater to everyone's beliefs and foibles, no matter how stupid and far fetched.
My suggestion is nothing new.
For example, for some ridiculous reason, some women, want to be referred to as "Ms", another pathetic concept.
So, my solution to this ridiculous proposition of sex change/status change, description change, is to re-name such people.
We already re-name them, as trans....., so let's call them wwhat they actually and physically are.
Just like any structure, like a car, it undergoes a structural change, and we call it by it's new name, when finished.
But one thing is the same in every case, it/they are MODIFIED people.
So we must create a new word/title for such people.
As a rather crude example, I give one such example as follows; Seeing as how they are MODIFIED people, then one suggestion would be to add MOD to the front of their original sex, thereby giving them their own status and removing the lie and ambiguity of them suddenly having changed their chromosomal structure miraculously from one gender to another.
So a male would become a MODMALE, and a female would become a MODFEMALE.
Or a MOMALE and MOFEMALE, I think you get it.
Much more appropriate.

Hi ALTI,

Why are you so obsessed about the private lives of people you don't know, people who don't give a rats about you. My gay friends are not concerned about such bigots as yourself, they live their lives the way they choose, and I respect that. My friends have no problem respecting mine or your way of life. Although you appear to be sexually straightjacketed, with a mountain the size of Everest of hang-ups. I assume you are too old for it now, but years gone you should have been seeking counselling for your own perversions.

Paul,

I'm surprised that you didn't leap at the opportunity to explain to all of us just why the Greens and the rest of the rainbow need these centuries-old words and expressions changed.

Instead, you chose to try a bit of wool pulling.

As to the age of usage of some disputed words,
the Old English words for 'nipples of the breast'
are ' þá titstrioelas' from whence we get the modern 'tits'. and this goes back well over a thousand years.
http://www.bl.uk/medieval-literature/articles/old-english#:~:text=Old%20English%20%E2%80%93%20the%20earliest%20form,the%20Norman%20Conquest%20of%201066).

Hi INDIVIDUAL...You're probably right, my friend. This notion that Capt. COOK's landing was tantamount to an invasion was an anathema to the local aboriginals. Sure both sides would've harboured suspicions, muskets held at the ready as were spears, clubs and shields.

It's my own understanding of OZ History; there we few incidences of attacks from either side, other than more from a misunderstanding and lack of communication. And there were several crimes occasioned by English settlers that appeared to go unpunished? Nothing like what often happened in South Africa, between the Boers and English against the mighty Mashai & Zulu tribes. In fact, we were lucky any loss of life, either European or indigenous, was minimal, really.

Paul, what I have is a very broad spectrum of awareness of as much as I can handle in what is going on that is wrong around me.
You say your queer mates don't care what I think, well they should, because they live in the same environment I do, and it is not I who is forcing an unnatural act on society, it is them.
In saying that you and your moronic mates use character assassination's like "they're not doing you any harm", when actually, they are.
Why/how, you ask?
Well the same way you find any form of aggression and vilification against another is exactly what is happening.
Even though no physicality was employed, and yet, like sexual assault, it is still regarded as an offence to do or say, or imply something which another finds offensive.
So in your sick world, it's OK for a queer to offend millions of people, but it's not OK for millions of people to make their disgust and repulse known, and directed at the guilty party or parties.
You have further shown your complete lack of discipline and maturity yet again by ascerting that you don't care how they live their lives.
Well YOU SHOULD!
Because it's those like you with your attitude that caused a once great race to fall to such a disgusting and low and lecherous level as did the Romans.
They went from being the greatest force and disciplined people in the world, at the time, to irrelevance, due to too much freedoms brought on by affluence and "the good life", which is what we are all experiencing right now.
The time will come when all these FREEDOMS, will demand to be counted, and then we will see the unravelling of this stupid, immature, childish society and lifestyles.
My only disappointment is that I won't be alive to watch it all unravel and those responsible punished, vilified and exiled, in the process of destroying the crap and re-building with historical standards of morals, ethics and maturity.

Ok so lets say some bloke for whatever reason believes they're a woman,
They want others to treat them fairly and think of and refer to them as such.
They want inclusiveness, by law.

So old mate Russell pops on his dress and makeup and he does a half decent job of making himself look like a woman.

- But what happens if all I see is a man in a dress wearing makeup?
They want me to remove myself completely from what I actually see.

Hey Paul1405,

Who cares if people say 'It's ok to be white'?
Are you sayings it's not ok to be white?
By default it seems that you are and suggesting this is just as racist as any of the lefts whinings.

And it's going to promote more resentment, and a genuine reason for racism.
If a reason didn't exist, then you lot just created one.
They force white people to respond and defend themselves when they push the Black Lives Matters mantra.
Of course people who identify as white are going to argue that they matter too.

When do any of these agendas actually make any sense?
Where's the equality here?
Where's the 'It's ok if you're black or white' common ground?
It doesn't exist does it.

Where's that reality going to lead?

It's doesn't even seem to be about equality at all when they do this.
It's more like an sick experiment upon humankind
To completely change the status quo by supporting minorities to bring down ALL existing norms.
- Turn everything upside down on it's head -
And from what I can see none of this is really in anyone's best interests.

Where do we end up?

- Chestfeeding -

Are you freaking kidding me?

AC, hear, hear!
Good to see those of us who still know the difference, AND are not afraid to challenge the stupid, the arrogant, the selfish, and all those who will try to stand out, for all the wrong reasons.
No different to all those morons who "identify" as blacks.
They refuse to accept, acknowledge, be told how arrogant, selfish and so very stupid they are, by relegating ALL the races that came together over their past to enable them to exist today, only for them to turn around and erase them ALL in favour of being a show-off, a poser, a sick and twisted liar, choosing instead to be referred to as black.
These posers are no more black I am, and I'm of Mediterranean descent so it turns out, I have darker skin than they do.
I don't have to lie about who I am or who I "identify" with.
What a joke.
Again the gutless shy away from confrontation and allow the liars, cheats, thieves and scammers to prosper and thrive.
Absolutely inconceivable, and yet it is happening right under our noses.
You know, I accuse the pansies out there and on OLO, you are so misguided, you would reject me and my comments of moral and ethical standards, and yet you promote those who would relish the idea of bringing us down to their disgusting and irrelevant level with all the other Neanderthals.
It is official, and by your own hands, that those who have rejected me and ignore my postings, are themselves a major part of our many problems here and in the world today.
You know who you are, and I will remind one and all, how gutless you all are, for not standing up and confronting an enemy, virtual, or physical.
If you don't see this new breed of filth and disgust as an enemy, you have sealed your fate, and that of the rest of those around you.
WELL DONE!
The sick cherry on this decaying, rotten cake is, that you are all so proud of yourselves and your beliefs.

For the sake of repeating myself, I'm not concerned about the words on a piece of paper, or contained in an Email, from the government, being gender neutral, or for that mater gender positive. I don't care if the government address people as Mr, Mrs, Miss, Ms of Hairy Arse Wombat. What is of far greater concern to me is when a bigoted, racists from the extreme uses hate speak to racially vilify a minority, such as Asians. The consequences of such leads a predisposed gun toting nutter like Robert Long to murder eight people in Atlanta USA.

Malcolm Roberts, should be less concerned about what he reads on a letter from the government as he seems to be, and more concerned about the consequences of his and others hate speak towards minorities and where that leads. As I said earlier, Roberts may not fire the gun, but his type sure load the bullets.

Paul, NAH! Sorry, your last posting has no traction, because what some "nutter" does, goes far deeper than anything you, I or anyone can define or understand.
Do you know why?
Because if you're not a gun wielding "nutter" having experienced what he did that led him to that act, and even then, because you are nothing like him, you cannot begin to relate to him or his reasoning.
And for the record and all the anti gun, "nutters" out there, I can think of a much more effective way of killing many more people than with a gun that emits a projectile the width of a biro, thereby reducing the chances of hitting anyone, other than random shots hitting their intended targets.
You see Paul, if I were to be so pissed off with some one or some group, even though I have guns, the last thing I would use is a gun or guns.
You can cause so much more damage and carnage with a Molotov cocktail than even YOU would not fathom, nor be able to have an answer too.
So instead of being a sheeple and standing in both cue's of virtuosity AND condemnation of someone who has obviously been pushed beyond his limits, why don't you do the unthinkable and ask, "what led him to do what he did"?
I hear people say, "We don't care, just string him up".
Well Paul, until people like yourself learn about what makes people and the world tick, we will keep getting these kinds of anti-social acts, and like yourself and your ilk, will keep getting it wrong, as you continually demonstrate here on OLO.

I grew up knowing about two main genders, male and female.
In today's world we have people who are transgender.
Are we to deny them their rights?

Paul wrote: "I'm not concerned about the words on a piece of paper,"

Are you concerned about people being gaoled for failing to agree that someone with a vagina is a bloke?

If a woman wants to call herself a bloke or a person with a cock wants to pretend they're a sheila, I don't care. But I don't want to be forced to agree with their psychosis. But that's the aim of the LGBTQWERTY crowd.

Are we to deny them their rights?
Foxy,
We shouldn't just as they should accept that they're not more deserving than others & stop being in our faces !

Foxy, on cue.
What rights are they Foxy?
I can think of no rights that their "kind" have not enjoyed, equal to anyone else out there.
In fact, it is they who are demanding more rights than the general population.
So please in your oh so eloquent and fairytale way please enlighten us on what are these many rights we have deprived these individuals of.
Before you do, firstly understand one thing.
Some of these people are a product of nature, and we classify (name) them accordingly.
EG; Albino's, Dwarfs', Slow learners, and the list goes on.
So why is it that we MUST cow-tow to certain minorities and not ALL minorities.(rhetorical)
Because they were born that way and the medical and scientific community named them as what we call them today.
They can call themselves whatever they like.
I will call them out, each time, and I will call them whatever "I" like or choose!
And believe me, my description will ALWAYS be true and correct, and devoid of lies, twisted interpretations, wonderland references, fairytales, and of course that age old chestnut, the liars and deceivers language: POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.

All we have to do is respect people as human beings
no matter what their race, religion, gender, or anything else
may be. I don't think that we are in any position to judge others.
And if their demands are indeed beyond reason and common sense -
it's up to our laws to determine what course of action should be taken.

"What is of far greater concern to me is when a bigoted, racists from the extreme uses hate speak to racially vilify a minority, such as Asians. The consequences of such leads a predisposed gun toting nutter like Robert Long to murder eight people in Atlanta USA."

How do you know he was motivated by racism?

http://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/03/17/us/shooting-atlanta-acworth

"Mr. Long was a member of the Crabapple First Baptist Church in Milton, Ga., where records say he was a member of the church’s Student Ministry Team in 2018. A post on the church’s now-deleted Facebook page appears to indicate that he was baptized as an adult in 2018.

Brett Cottrell, the youth and missions pastor at Crabapple First Baptist between 2008 and 2017, described Mr. Long as one of the most committed members of the church’s youth group at the time. The group met multiple times a week and took summer trips to do volunteer work in Pittsburgh and New Orleans, among other locations."

How do you know he was motivated by racism and not religious beliefs?
Or that he hated women because they made him feel weak and pathetic?
How do any of us know what his motivation was for him shooting up the local massage parlors?

You're speculating at best until some actual facts come in.

He might've been high on who knows what or not been taking his meds, how do any of us know?

... And hang on a minute; HANG ON
- People using hate speak to vilify Asians caused Robert Long to murder 8 people you say?

Lets pretend I said a derogatory slant word against Asians
- And then some unstable religious nutcracker in a different country shoots up their local massage parlor, and its somehow my fault?

How do you make this connection?

"Roberts may not fire the gun, but his type sure load the bullets."

No. I'm actually pretty certain the kid loaded the gun himself and fired the bullets himself as well.
I'd be willing to bet Malcolm Roberts was nowhere near the place and had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Foxy, I honestly wish I knew the terms of reference and beliefs you were raised on.
I have a sister in law, very similar to yourself, and yes she married a very nice guy, just like herself, and they are both the sweetest kindest most helpful people you will ever find, AND they are very, very active, and have risen to a high status in their chosen church and religion.
All this is just wonderful, IF you do not expose yourself to anything untoward or evil, such as what actually goes on, everywhere, in every country, state, city, town or location.
They believe everything and everyone is just rosy and fine and dandy and if you pray to God or Jesus and so on, everything will be fine.
RUBBISH!
I don't try to tell them the truth about what's going on out there and they would reject it anyway.
They don't watch the news, and if they did they play down anything that they don't like, with some kind of religious platitude.
Firstly we DO NOT have to respect anyone who shows no respect.
Secondly, if you ever got your head out of whatever fantasy land you live in, you will find that your faith in the law and legal system, is not only unfounded, but also completely and utterly corrupted, thereby rendering it a burden to society and not a savior.
In closing, if we are not in a position to judge others, who is?
Just as an aside, that's why we have jury's!
And don't anyone dare say that we must not judge when there are those who have malicious intents on us.
Do we not judge them?
Do we turn the other cheek giving them full freedom to do what they choose to us?
NO!
Speaking for myself and my ilk, I will respect those who respect me!
BTW, you pulled a typical Foxy move.
You did not answer my question about what rights you are eluding to, that we are denying them!

hey Foxy,

"I grew up knowing about two main genders, male and female.
In today's world we have people who are transgender.
Are we to deny them their rights?"

We can't accommodate their wants without denying everyone else's rights.
- That's the bottom line -

Mums being indoctrinated to refer to breastfeeding as chestfeeding to accommodate what?
Some nut that thinks men can produce milk from their own mammories too?
What exactly?

Because someone in the other 71 made-up genders is offended by the idea that normal babies get nourishment from an actual womens breast?

'Birthing parent' and 'Non-birthing parent'
Do you want your 18 year old grandkids banned from using the terms 'boyfriend and girlfriend'?

Tell me where does 'acknowledging their rights';
- Or whatever the hell that means actually get us?
What kind of blank cheque are we signing here?

People who think there is something different from XX and XY chromosone
- Just may be short a few chromosones

This from the same lot that tells you men can now have periods Foxy,
Does me laughing my head off at this suggestion insult their sensibilities?
Yes it does because somehow they believe all this crazy nonsense is true.

How do we accommodate and embrace pure madness Foxy?
- Well you tell me and then well both know.

Apparently I'm not allowed to think for myself.
- Because that would make me a bigot, homophobe and every other bloody word they can come up with;
For no other real reason than because I don't think they same way they do and they're not getting their way.

From what I've read it appears that it was ANU
(Australian National University) in Canberra, that has released a handbook for staff and students as to what
they consider acceptable language to be used in teaching.
Their claim is to be "inclusive" to all.

Using terms like "chest feeding" or "gestational parent" I feel is not going to take off. It will only confuse things even further.

AC,

I don't disagree with you at all. Especially after reading the ANU article. It is nuts!

Hi Foxy,

I'm not concerned, as I said about trivial words on paper. Our forum friends and those of their political ilk, like Roberts, want to push back to the good old days, when people who were different; gays, Aboriginals, the homeless, migrants, anyone who went against the established order were seen as fair game. Often the retribution took the form of a bashing from the coppers. A time when it was seen as a mans world, and women were discriminated against and treated as chattels. Women in violent domestic situations were rendered helpless, ignored by authorities, and copped abuse from all quarters. These guys want nothing better than a return to those of the good old days. Well, those days are not for me.

I'm pleased to see there are still some reasonable, mature, pragmatic, and logical people with common sense, even a sense of right and wrong, who, like myself, will NOT be swayed by emotional and illogical threats of virtue signaling, in a vain attempt to push their unwanted, and un-acceptable diatribe driven agenda.
Does anyone else know what rights we have deprived these poor depraved souls of, as it seems Foxy has reached that un-assailable question/wall once more, yet has plenty to say in defense of the great untouchables, except when it comes to explaining her reasoning or what her accusations and allegations are based on.
It seems a standard M.O. so I won't expect an answer from her, any time soon.
Although if someone else can actually read her mind and understands her, please, and by all means, do tell.

Hi Paul,

I think Canberra is getting too obsessed with language.
Personally, most of us will continue to use language that we're
comfortable with ourselves. "Gestational parent?" what on
earth does that even mean? Same goes for "chest feeding."

Don't be too concerned about people on OLO.
Being absent for a while, I've missed so many of them.
Besides - they're only opinions. And we all have them.
That's what makes this forum interesting.

As far as I am concerned, no one is entitled to anything, except for air, just because they were born. Anyone can have my respect & indeed admiration, if they earn it.

Wonks such as the ANU twits need to get a bit of practical common sense knocked into them. A tour of duty with the SAS would be perfect to educate these twits.

Does anyone know anything about the "Gender
Institute" at ANU in Canberra? They're the ones
that apparently produced the booklet of instruction
for staff and students on what language to use
in teaching. Perhaps they're trying to justify
their work? I don't think they'll get any brownie
points for their list of what's acceptable.

C'mon HASBEEN...

These ANU people wouldn't last ten minutes on a normal Army Recruit Course at Kapooka, let alone the SAS and their tough selection criteria

o sung wu,

right on there mate; a couple of the physically toughest infantrymen that I knew didn't pass selection for the SAS.

My one-time Platoon Commander, when he was a Lieutenant, eventually became their Commanding Officer.

Paul,

I'm surprised that you still haven't leap at the opportunity to explain to all of us just why the Greens and the rest of the rainbow need these centuries-old words and expressions changed.

Instead, you chose to try a bit of wool pulling and attacking the messanger.

Hi Issy,

Cause I'm not particularly in agreement with the use of gender neutral words. Like Foxy I'm willing to stick to what I know, but if you insist I refer to you as the 'Bottom Feeding Hairy Arse Wombat Of No Particular Gender' I'll do so, but its a bit of a mouth full, so I might just stick to Issy.

As for Roberts and his grandstanding in the Senate, so be it. The guys been about 4 years a Senator, this will go down as his one and only contribution to the betterment of Australian society. As a Senator the guys a waste of space, compared to the efforts put in by others. Take Jacqui Lambie for instance, a person I don't always agree with politically, Jacqui puts in ten times the effort of the slug Roberts, and as a Senator she gives value for money. Sure this kind of grandstanding by Roberts appeals to the forums Mr Old Farts, I'm being gender pacific there. However there are greater issues of concern, such as the racists hate speak that blokes like Roberts engage in, and the consequences of that kind of crap.

Good Morning Paul,

I thought I'd post early as I'm having problems with the
internet so I'll get in while it's still working.
We can discuss language as much as we want - however I
think most of us will use words that we're comfortable
with no matter what others may tell us we should do
the same applies to who we should or should not
accommodate. It's part of who we are I guess, the way
we've been brought up, and what we think is right.

Hi Foxy,

A bit of a laugh from the Monty Python mob on this subject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c&ab_channel=PkLugia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2c-X8HiBng&ab_channel=Browningate

Paul,

What's the matter?
Can't you find a cogent argument to support the Greens' stand on gender?

The bloke who shot up the "massage parlour" might have been infected there with VD, wouldn't be the first time a brothel was shot up or burned down by a dosed up customer.

ANU twits need to get a bit of practical common sense knocked into them
Hasbeen,
We sadly need to accept that indoctrination has made them impervious to absorb common sense !
Let's just hope they're all gay so at least they won't breed !

Sorry individual, you've got that wrong.

The poor bloody tax payer will end up spending a fortune on IVE for any of the wonks who have the necessary equipment to bread, to help them do it.

Sorry o sung wu, I really only meant as porters for the baggage train coming up behind.

Hi Issy,

Unlike you a member of the extreme gunnies, I a moderate Green, don't have to endorse every word uttered by party members, even MP's. Grandstanding by Roberts is nothing I have to respond to, there is no infringement of Green policy. In your position you must endorse the ranting and ravings of all party Fuhrer's, even Roberts, under the pain of excommunication.

Good to see Dads Army getting onto things.

the Wokeness movement believes that white society is oppressive and capitalism is part of that oppression regime. Whereas we hold the view that all persons are equal in society, but wokeness believe they are fighting for an utopian equality and the end result is all persons are equal, no one has advantage over another. It means destroying white supremacy by teaching Race theory and capitalism by indoctrinating communism, so we all think and accept the same level of being equal.

If you believe the Wokeness agenda on gender is all a social construct, controlled by powerful white paternal males. Being woman can be celebrated by a transgender male in the new world order of wokeness. This wokeness ideology is now taught at preschool to eradicate white supremacy and language about family to be inclusive of two mothers or two fathers, that trans is also acceptable as a normal life. This is all to do with eradicating the western view of family and family relationships like mother and father.

All of us deserve to feel safe and to have equal opportunities in life, no matter our background, ability, gender, sexuality, income or postcode.

To ensure a safe, equal world for all, we can’t let a few powerful voices turn us against each other or divide us based on where we come from, who we love or what we look like.

http://greens.org.au/platform/equality
But both Liberal and Labor governments have cynically pitted members of our community against each other. They’ve introduced and aggressively championed policies that exclude or vilify people just because of who they are - divisive policies like allowing schools to discriminate against gay teachers, unbelievably cruel policies like locking refugee children up in offshore detention indefinitely, or discriminatory policies that result in First Nations children locked up in jail at ten times the rate of non-Indigenous children. They’ve eroded everyone’s fundamental rights, including our right to privacy and digital freedoms.

Part of a bigger agenda.

Josephus, and "I" get vilified and railed against!
Where do you hail from?
Your questions and concerns are for naught.
YOU are not privy to the internal machinations of Govt, and neither is anyone else.
So how dare you make these egregious and spurious, unfounded, unjustified allegations and accusations without a shred of facts or evidence, only suppositions and emotionally driven, ideological drivel.
You have NO idea or concept of why ANYTHING that transpired to result in the things you mention.
The one thing I can comment on, and I might add, shows you up as a dishonest and unworthy person, is why so many black kids are in jail or detention of some kind.
You see I know that you know the answer, and so does anyone else reading this.
You simply don't like or want to accept the answer, well Nancy, suck it up and start looking at the world without the Alice in Wonderland glasses.
I tell you what, seeing as how you're such a well meaning chap, why don't you apply to the govt to foster and house all these, so called poor helpless souls, blacks and all, and then you can tell the govt where they were going wrong in doing whatever it is you have childishly and immaturely dreamed up that is our fault.
As I said in the beginning, YOU have NO IDEA of what you speak on the topic and comments you have made, so please stop, in fact move on to another topic that you might actually know something about.
This MAY be an OPOINION forum, BUT PLEASE, let's try and make the opinions truthful and factually correct, and not random emotional venting outlets for useless and irrelevant comments.

Paul,

Pity your name isn't Dan, desperate goes with Dan.

I didn't ask you to endorse anything just to explain why the Greens want to change our language heritage.

ALTRAV, I was just posting the Greens communist agenda. If you are communist you have to have a cause to fight against. Their cause is capitalism the ideology of the white supremist, that causes social divisiveness and inequality - well according to them. To be woke you must believe capitalism is destroying the world by consumerism that is causing Global warming.

Proud Boy Jose', poor old Il Duce got his knickers in a knot over your comment. Shame on YOU! Wash your mouth out with holy water.

Mr Issy, I'm being gender positive for your sake.

No, maybe you should ask all the Senators, including the Labor senators, who voted against Roberts motion, why they did so.

Mr Issy, with gunnies demanding that primary aged school children be allowed to carry loaded guns to school, I'm not asking you to endorse that notion, but rather explain why gunnies want children carrying loaded guns. There must be a "good" reason, and you as a leading gunnie should know.

Josephus, Oh, OK. Sorry if I came on a little strong, but I am sick and tired of these poor, oppressed, victims of affluency and entitlement, (just to be clear, I'm being sarcastic) and because of this I will ALWAYS put them down and back in the swamp from whence they came.
I hope these ignorant childish greenies eventually grow up and see things for what they are, and not like Paul and Foxy, who see things the way THEY want or would like them to be.
Even then a society of compliant weakling, "yes men" (and maggots) is a truly regressive one with no true leadership and convictions.
With everyone going around smiling and agreeing with everyone, and trying to be compliant and inclusive, not saying anything which may be construed as offensive, OH GOD, what falsities, what non-people, what liars, all lying to each other, and trying to be all sweet and nice, because they are too scared to disagree with anyone, in case they are driven out of favour or worse, physically attacked.
So these gutless new age good for nothings, want us all to become just as gutless as them, for fear they might cop a hiding, for being so arrogant.
I can confirm, that if they try to keep this Alice in Wonderland farcical going, that's exactly what is going to happen to these insidious, backward thinking, irrelevant morons.

Il Duce had placed the pestilence of the maggots upon poor Proud Boy Jose' for blaspheming! Ah ha! Proud Boy Jose' was not blaspheming at all, poor Il Duce had misunderstood. Proud Boy Jose' begged forgiveness from the mighty Il Duce. In a rare act of kindness Il Duce was willing to kissy kissy with Proud Boy Jose' and grant forgiveness, and things returned to normal in Nastyland.

Foxy, are we not fortunate not to live in Nastyland with Il Duce and Proud Boy Jose'?

Paul, you see that's where your wrong, yet again.
You, we, are ALL living in Nasty Land, it's just that you and certain others refuse to acknowledge or accept it.
As for being wrong, I have always said, that if I am wrong, please say so, as I am not in the habit of pushing or promoting a lie.
You see, again unlike you and your associates, I have a fair dose of pride, which does not allow me to promote lies.
So I do not reject any comments which lead to the truth, only those which do not.
I am always grateful for any correction, because unlike you, and others, "I" am a proud person, with discipline and direction.
From what you and certain others have demonstrated in the past, it is obvious, YOU ARE NOT!

Paul, it is self worth and pride that helps one achieve, get ahead, achieve more, gain wealth, gather friends whom they respect. Unlike those who are not proud and are happy to live in poverty and beg for bread. Which is the end result of making everyone equal in the end, as no one wants to rise above the norm because they create envy and greed - gather more.

Areas of education in America have abandoned advanced science and math's in an attempt to equalize the education system so all can achieve the same level of education. The goal is to have everyone equal with equal opportunity.

Paul,

"Mr Issy, with gunnies demanding that primary aged school children be allowed to carry loaded guns to school, I'm not asking you to endorse that notion, but rather explain why gunnies want children carrying loaded guns. There must be a "good" reason, and you as a leading gunnie should know"

Ah! Ha! Deflection and no reference.

Paul the Desperate.

Hi Paul,

Whether in our personal relationships, or at work,
or the community, or on social media,
we all encounter people who can
throw curve-balls at us. They are a challenge, and
of course it's not their behaviour that we can change
but how we react to them. That's what matters.
That's what counts for our own well being.

I have learned so much from the people on this forum.
And I do appreciate the variety of views found here.
I would find it boring if we all agreed. As a matter
of fact the ones that disagree with me - I find
interesting because it encourages me to do more research
on subjects. That's how I end up learning and that's
how I think we grow as human beings. I may not agree
with Shadow Minister, or Hasbeen, and so many others -
but over the years I've learned so much from them.
Their views have encouraged me to question my own.
That's why I keep coming back.

As long as people don't post out of malice or hatred -
we should encourage respect for not only those who
agree with us but definitely those with whom we disagree.

In trying to achieve equality of outcomes rather than equality of opportunity, the us have brought their education results down to that of the lowest common denominator.

The feminist left now controlling our education system is seriously trying to ahieve the same result, & unfortunately getting close to achieving it.

The aim of the woke brigade is to have everyone holding the same views, believing the same spread sheet; because in their opinion difference means discrimination. In their world there are no men or women, no boy or girl, no mother or father, these term are discriminatory.

Actually a teenage boy might have preference for the company of a girl, but that is discriminating as a trans girl should be an equally his preference, and to discriminate on the basis of genitals is offensive, because the trans believes he/ she is equal to any girl. The law does not allow discrimination on the basis of gender, though women try look like men and men try to look like women, means they believe in only two genders.

I meet more & more idiots with more & more "qualifications".

Proud Boy Jose'

You have a distorted view of equality, I support equality of opportunity, which does not equate to equal outcomes. If through no fault of their own a person is disadvantaged, then collectively society is bound to support that person. I'm not talking about the criminal or the lazy. You seem to find words like compassion, caring, kindness etc to be distasteful, yet you call yourself a Christian, Christian in name only I suspect.

Paul, you cannot deny Greens woke policy means equal outcomes for the advantaged and disadvantage so everyone ends up equal is the goal not the starting point. It means taking action to move boundaries i.e. whiteness to the point of apology and shame. That is why Greens support BLM. You cannot in their policy discriminate by a deliberate choice, If you were to initially fall in love with this person only later to find out the truth, you could not break a contract on the basis of their birth gender. Everyone is equal under Green goal - proposed law.
http://www.chicksonright.com/blog/2021/03/19/winner-of-female-beauty-pageant-is-a-biological-male/

The Greens education policy is not to reward the achievers and challenge them intellectually but place disadvantage on the achievers so they all finish the same mediocre ability. Awarding the achievers is a capitalist program as it advantages some over others. The idea is to stagger the race on disadvantage so all reach the goal together, this then makes them equal in Greens agenda. If you are a white male or Asian then you are to have disadvantage placed in your education starting blocks.

Il Duce had placed the pestilence of the maggots upon poor Proud Boy Jose' for blaspheming! Ah ha! Proud Boy Jose' was not blaspheming at all, poor Il Duce had misunderstood. Proud Boy Jose' begged forgiveness from the mighty Il Duce. In a rare act of kindness Il Duce was willing to kissy kissy with Proud Boy Jose' and grant forgiveness, and things returned to normal in Nastyland.

Foxy, are we not fortunate not to live in Nastyland with Il Duce and Proud Boy Jose'? Paul.

God knows what this was all about.

Paul, can you speak in English like the rest of us? I know it must be difficult for a green, when you can't use real names, & words we have used for a few hundred years are now outlawed to you.