Once again the problem of women and the Liberal Party is in the news. Two women staffers have made allegations that they were raped whilst working for Liberal Federal Ministers, sexual misconduct allegations have been made in the past, without any substantive changes being made to protect women working within parliament. The history of the Liberal Party shows it to be anti women, from women excluded from cabinet, to women being denied a chance at winnable seats in parliament. Julie Bishop one of the very few capable women who "made it" within the party, she was given a pathetic handful of votes when she stood for the leadership. Claims of bulling within, from female Liberal MP's, was well aired not so long ago.

There is a long held belief that conservatives treat women as second class. The handling of recent rape allegations and the failure of the government or the party to follow through with action to prevent such happening again, shows their lack of willingness to do something for female victims. The party would much rather victimise the victim as the solution to its problem, than do anything worthwhile.

And it was two women politicians who knew about it who did not report it to the PM. The woman herself didn't report it. Can't blame the party for that.

And let's not forget the alleged victim and the alleged rapist had both been boozing. The alleged victim has now a accused the PM of "blaming the victim". Same old same old. Make an allegation well past the event. Nothing new here. Certainly nothing to do with the Liberal party at all.

Anyway, the alleged offender was not a Liberal politician, but an employee. It is absurd to bring politics into a crime, if a crime has need committed. If a crime has been committed, it's a matter for the police, who can act only if a complaint is made by the woman herself. The Liberal party has lots of faults, but the suggestion that this incident, if it happened, is somehow a party problem is plain silly.

let's not forget the alleged victim and the alleged rapist had both been boozing.
ttbn,
Labor Plant ?

Pauliar,

Always the one to pile on a negative story on the Libs, but completely in denial about the paedophiles and kiddie fiddlers in the Greens. A question could be asked about what have the greens done to protect children from their members?

The situation for Senator Reynolds was complicated, Ms Higgins refused to report the situation to the police at the time and only pursued the issue sometime later. The alleged offender was fired and was questioned by the police. Reynolds had the choice of protecting the privacy of Ms H or escalating the issue

There you go again shonkyminister, that fixation you have with paedophiles. You seem to get off on that particular subject. Bring it up even when its not related to the topic, other posters are wondering about you.

I must say how unbelievable, the Morrison claim that he only become aware of allegations of rape within the party last week, his insincere wringing of hands, and fain shock at the alleged rapes, don't cut the mustard with most people. BTW; there are now two such allegations. The alleged rapists was sacked, not over the claimed rape, but for a security breach.

There is more to this topic than the two alleged rapes, serious as they are. The evidence is there that the Liberal Party has deep seated problems dealing with women in general. Given the parties pathetic track record in matters female, its hard to understand why 50% of the electorate would even consider them for their vote, and thinking men would also dismiss the Liberals and Nationals as the parties made up of too many misogynistic men.

is it really a Liberal Party problem? I would believe it is a societal problem.

Sounds like a woman scorned, trying to get even.

If it wasn't reported with in a couple of days, it didn't happen the way it is reported months later.

Chris Lewis says it all. It is ridiculous to link the bad behaviour of individuals (still only alleged in this case) to a political party; including the poor treatment of employees by a past Greens leader.

Yes too, to hasbeen's comment. I'm reading "The Persecution of George Pell" describing the appalling injustice done by judges to Pell through listening to and believing 'memories' from the past.

I would believe it is a societal problem.
Chris lewis,
My gut (A fair size one at that) tells me that she'll turn out to be a Labor plant before long !

Pauliar,

Only the green party paedophiles. I know that you are desperately trying to cover up your party's sordid past, but each time you post BS I will bring it up.

I asked you whether the Greens had come up with any strategy to protect children from their members. Apparently, it's not a problem for you.

As for your belief, as a green, it is not worth a pinch of sh1t.

I actually worked for a federal MP who was convicted of receiving money and seeking sexual favours in return for helping Chinese immigrants with visa applications.

Of course, sexual exploitation or opportunism has no political party boundary.

Chris Lewis,

What's her name?

PS

Chris, please don't tell me to ask Jen.

Hi Chris,

There are rotten apples in every political party, and from time to time the criminals get exposed, and rightly so. My question here is not a concern for the criminals within, but the "culture" regarding women that appears to exist, predominantly within the Liberal Party at the federal level. Women have struggled from the beginning for political recognition and and their rightful participation in the process. It wasn't men demanding they be given the vote by women, in western democracies at the beginning of the twentieth century, but just the opposite, women struggling for what was rightfully theirs, and its been a struggle for equality ever since.

Recent history is littered with claims of misogyny, bullying, gender discrimination and sexual assaults all against women, and all associated with the Liberal Party. My thread title "Women a Liberal Party Problem" seems to be true. The more progressive parties have moved beyond the days when politics was purely a male dominated domain and have embraced women as equals. Unfortunately the conservative side of politics has a long way to go before their attitudes towards women truly change. I can't see evidence that the men's club, aka the Liberal Party is willing to embrace real change any time soon.

The fact Morrison had to ask the little woman at home, about a girly problem at work, and his wring of hands and obvious insincerity before the cameras yesterday, shows where the Liberal Party is at when it comes to gender equality within. They don't have a clue!

Paul1405,

I think Soot has got a real vote loser on his hands.

But don't worry Soot, Jen will fix it.

And if Jen can't do it, then just ask Barnaby.

Paul, I do find it hard top believe that the PM's office did not know about it.

People talks about incidents in all types of work, and something as serious as rape would be hard to keep under wraps

Maybe the PM is even more remote from the rest of us than we even thought. Even so, it is nothing to do with him, unless he is also running ACT police, and the person claiming she was raped has made a complaint, which I understand she now has. So, here we go with another 'historic' sex case with the usual suspects bleating "we believe you" because she's a woman and 'all men are bad'. Remember Craig McLaughlin, Geoffrey Rush - both cleared. And the most alarming case, George Pell. Australians coming to the attention of the law can no longer be sure of justice.

ttbn,

When you were a member of the Australian Macho Conservative Party, was the parties policy on women, just one line; "No Shelia's Allowed!" Your comments here reflect that.

Some are trying to create war between the sexes.

Fourth generation feminism (all men are rapists- all men are complicit in a culture of rape) is part of the Communist "Tabula Rasa's" "Cultural Hegemony" campaign to destroy and re-define the family. You have to wonder who the Communists will attack once this is achieved- Communists never stop attacking- this is the nature of "Permanent Revolution"- there will never be peace. As Orwell said "a boot on the head on everyone forever".

Communists are also saying that (all White People are racists- all White People are complicit in a culture of racist abuse and privilege).

In a sense nature embodies permanent mindless warfare- but one assumes that evolution proceeds towards sanity- humans aren't perfect- they can be animalistic- but they need each other- they need to protect those in their sphere- protecting each other from the chaos outside- and trying to avoid fighting and imposing their will on their neighbours- from these small beginnings improving the world through their example.

Others see chaos as a ladder to success- and are happy to ride over those in their way.

Every culture needs their own country.

Individual's in society have different roles- sometimes they can appear repressive but these roles are necessary for the stability of society- the repression at the destruction of society is surely much greater. Individual's have different strengths and weaknesses- in some senses equality is impossible for this reason- but also in a sense everyone is superior- we all need to find our place- leaders shouldn't waste resources and so they should try to help their people contribute and gain value from society for the benefit of everyone.

As Stiglitz says "no one will participate in a system from which they gain no value".

Greenman,

You really are an idiot.

I actually worked for a federal MP
Chris Lewis,
And, I bet you didn't hear a thing about then ?

ttbn, people like you are part of the problem, cover up, denial and victim blaming are your stock in trade. Conservatives really don't see a place in politics for women, and if there is one, its only a subservient roll at best. With the Brittany Higgins case it is now clear she was given a choice, complain, and its your career gone. A second woman has now come forward with a similar complaint.

The culture in the Federal Liberal Party when it comes to female complains, be it bulling or sexual harassment/assault, is to firstly protect the good name of the party, and secondly the protection of the minister concerned through cover up. The victim rates a poor third in the list of priorities, and is made to feel that they are the real problem.

The problem in the Liberal Party is broader than that above. Take the case of Julie Bishop, she thought she could challenge for the top leadership position, a position she was eminently qualified for. Its not the fact Julie was defeated by two men, but the fact her colleagues thought she was only worthy of a token vote, and I say that was because she was female. The insult was too much for Ms Bishop and she walked away from the party.

Pauliar,

I know that you are desperately trying to dismiss the "bad apples" in the greens, but proportionally the Greens are closer to the Catholic Church than the libs, and you are still silent about any actions the greens intend to take over the problems within your party. Business as usual I assume.

As Ms Higgins and the other two alleged victims refused to make a complaint to the police, and the perpetrator had already been fired, it is difficult for Senator Reynolds to take any further action.

As for the appointment of identity groups based on quotas, the greens are not a shining example of resulting competence

The shifty & shady minister just said:

"As Ms Higgins and the other two alleged victims refused to make a complaint to the police, and the perpetrator had already been fired, it is difficult for Senator Reynolds to take any further action."

What a heartless thing to say.

Looks to be as if old shifty & shady is just as much a lawyer as he is an injunear.

What a heartless thing to say.
Mr Opinion,
??

individual,

Don't you think it was a heartless thing to say?

Would you do the same as shifty & shady and blame the victims?

PS I heard a rumor that the guy in question has been holed up in a mental health unit on Sydney's north shore for the past two weeks.

Maybe shifty & shady can give us more details.

Greenboy,

You don't have keep proving your idiocy. Everyone except Loudmouth and SR are fully aware of your hopelessness,compounded here by your idiotic attempt to connect an alleged crime with a political party. The women you keep harping about could eat you alive. They don't need your pathetic barracking.

ttbn,

Who's Greenboy?

Do you notice how rapidly the attention moves away from the women
victims to the prime minister ?
The alleged crime is now secondary to the attacks on the PM.

What seems odd to me is after a night out on the town they went back
to the office. Why ? To work with no one else there ?

Right on, Bazz. This faux concern for women is merely another opportunity for a hanger-on of an 8 percent party to slag off one of the only two parties capable of forming a government.

Indi,

According to the village-idiot facts can be heartless. These art students often have no connection to reality.

Bazz,

What you just said above is what is termed 'victim blaming'.

There is now a third woman claiming to have been a victim of the same guy.

I suppose to you, shifty & shady minister, Hasbeen, and others of your ilk, all these women should be burned as witches for daring to challenge the patriarchal hierarchy.

You aren't by chance an injunear too?

The "victim" has admitted to drinking, which makes a huge difference to how people behave. It is up to the courts to decide on the matter - if there is a prosecution. 'WOLF' has been called too many times in this area lately.

ttbn,

Yes of course the courts.

Who can forget one judge's now famous comment to a woman who claimed she told the accused rapist that she did not want the have intercourse with him:

"NO MEANS YES."

Ask Jen. I think Jen would tell you that No means No. And if you can't believe Jen then who can you believe?

The court will decide if there is a victim, not me or the village idiot.

Remember when Bill Shorten was accused of raping a young intern and how we were all told we had to believe the 'victim?

No, me either.

Remember when Luke Foley was accused of sexually assaulting an ABC reporter and how we were told that the ALP had a women problem?

No, me either.

Remember how Orkopoulos was convicted of child sex offences and we were told the ALP had a paedophile problem?

No, me either.

Its a left-wing media beatup which Paul, as usual, falls for.
Let her go to the cops. Let me know when they find evidence of the alleged assault. Let me know when the guy's charged. Let me know when the jury comes back with a guilty verdict.

But don't expect me to go all gooey over a girl who regrets a drunken tryst the morning after.

ttbn, stick with those irrelevant boring as bat s!it discussions you start about the Governor General or Chinese New Year, they attract other like minded old farts who want to waffle on about the good old days etc, I'm not interested. In that way you can stop playing the forum censor and telling me what threads I can, or cannot start.

Mr uneducated opinion,

You are a lying turd. At no point did I blame the victim.

Pointing out the obvious fact that Senator Reynolds is not an officer of the law and the maximum punishment she can inflict on the alleged rapist is to fire him and to offer support to the victim.

The choice of reporting the crime to the police at the time is entirely up to the victim who in this case chose not to as did the other two complainants. While I sympathise with each of them, the reality is that without video evidence or a witness the police are unable to make a case. This is not a judgement simply a statement of fact

Actually there is no victim until the the complainant is found to have been raped by a court of law. There are now two others claiming to have been raped, the second one 4 years ago. It's a very common story these days; one that is disproved so often; despite help from judges like the one I was reading about the other day who barred a defence lawyer from presenting facts that his client's accuser had a long record of making false claims of or rape. Another thing that encourages complaints is that the complainant is rarely if ever prosecuted for making false accusations.

Greenie,

I have never told you what you can post or not post. You are at liberty to put up as much crap as you wish. Further, disagreeing with you is not censorship. Most people disagree with you. I'm not surprised that you are disinterested in my posts: they are not aimed at people like you.

The usual procedure for an alleged matter of sexual assault, either the victim or a person at the victim's request (including hospital and/or a medical practitioner), report the matter to police, usually with the victim's consent and knowledge. In the case of an aggravated sexual assault, hospital or medical staff can alert police to their strong suspicions of a suspected offence of an aggravated sexual assault. So serious was the offence (called 'aggravated rape') taken in earlier times; it was considered a capital crime, meaning the perpetrator could be sentenced to death in most states of Australia.

In my experience, some women are so traumatised by what occurred; they can often decline to report the crime because they think they may not be believed, or a sense of shame in the mistaken belief, they did in some way, contribute to the crime? And after such a trauma, the victim can hardly be blamed for not thinking clearly. Today most police forces in Oz have a dedicated Sexual Assault Squad, comprising mostly female detectives special trained in the nuances and hazards associated with proving sexual crimes occasioned against women.

The attempt by some on this post to shamelessly victim blame and pull the old magicians trick of 'look over here while I do the dirty stuff" (i.e. the Greens harbor pedophiles so everything's hunky doory) is truly appalling. For ttbn to have his head up his arse and not recognise that politics is involved in this incident simply proves to me my long held theory that all right wing ideologues have had every last visage of compassion and human empathy surgically removed at birth.

Of course politics was involved you moron. Brittany Higgins worked in an environment where loyalty to the party comes before all else - be they cyclones, military coups or rape. And especially as an election was about to be announced. Then of course, we have the totally compassionate ttbn (along with all the other butch, macho men out there) who protest - but she was offered help/police investigation but she refused it, and is only now changing her mind. It's a thing called intimidation via threatening your job and the shock and trauma of the assault guys.

You lot seriously make me weep for the future of humanity as you lot display so little of it.

Could it be that the left have recruited this lady, as with others making similar long removed complaints, or is it simply that time changes memory of a night of drunken debauchery, particularly when circumstances change?

But who really cares! I put it in the same category of one labor leader & another deputy leader who went to prison for kiddy fiddling. I never bothered following those cases much, but have wondered if something of the Pell case applied.

I see that we have a second village idiot.

"let's forget about the rape of children by greens candidates and focus on an employee of the liberals raped by another employee."

You are a disgrace to humanity.

Aries54,

Exactly!

They are the sort of people who support judges that tell women who complain about being raped: "No means Yes."

Who was the imbecile who implied that only a judge can ascertain that something happened and someone is telling the truth.

I have a very low opinion of judges and lawyers in general. Fortunately I have had very little contact with the legal profession but what I have had has left me with the opinion that they are low-life scumbags.

But beyond that, has anybody raised the political implications of this matter for Soot's IR reforms? How can we trust Soot to safeguard the nation's workers when he cannot even guarantee the safety of his own staff?

shifty & shady minister,

Here you go again, showing everyone that you are just an injunear.

Hey, I just thought of something: Let's ask Jen.

You're arguing well Paul1405

Recently reported:

"Fourth woman makes complaint about former staffer who allegedly raped Brittany Higgins" posted 3 hours ago http://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-22/fourth-woman-accuses-staffer-in-brittany-higgins-case/13178190

The reprobates who give OLO a bad name we have to suffer - but they don't realise Men-in-Power

display their power over junior women in a kind of "you'll be sacked if you talk" kind of way.

At 22 you don't want to be sacked because you are marked in small-town Canberra for life.

And then the Old Crones in the office say "she deserved it because she's young and pretty and

therefore she led them on. What did she expect?"

Roll on another Four Corners expose.

There are some very emotional little boys around.

Shonkyminister,

The alleged serial rapist was more than a mere "employee" as you like to portray him as. The fact is he was seen as a rising star within the LIBERAL PARTY, obviously a party member. The rising star worked for no less than 5 MP's, 4 of them ministers, being promoted regularly as a good Liberal for going beyond the call of duty. Its totally incongruous of Morrison to claim the fist he know of the actions of this alleged serial rapist was last week. Considering ministers knew, MP's knew, the President of the Senate and the Speaker of the house knew, staff knew, including those with Morrisons ear, BUT NO ONE TOLD ME. How much time should a born again, happy clapping Christion, do in Purgatory for lying? 10,000 years.

Linda Reynolds is one of the most incompetent of the army of incompetent government ministers. ScumO' will be looking for the earliest opportunity to throw the Ms Useless under the proverbial bus, most likely later this week.

Paul1405,

He's more of a shifty & shady minister than a Shonkyminister.

Pauliar,

Are you sure that he was a liberal party member, his actions make him look more of a green.

This is interesting...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_politicians_convicted_of_crimes

his actions make him look more of a green.
shadowminister,
How so, he went after women not the paper boy !

The "we believe you" crowd here are the same as the dangerous idiots - judges, juries and media - who heaped the most shocking injustice ever to occur in this country onto George Pell. You cannot believe anyone who comes up with accusations against men until they are proved beyond reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt is the core of the rule if law that was blatantly ignored in the Pell case. Without that principle, you may as well skip trials, the onus of proof on the prosecution, and go straight to sentencing. Sadly, disgustingly, that appears to be what the howling mob here would like to see.

JOE's PASSING

News from Big Nana, Monday, 22 February at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=21321&page=0#376462

"Am putting this on this thread as well.
Sad news, we lost Joe ( Loudmouth) last Friday. Very unexpected, a cardiac aneurysm.
I’ve only just been informed.
Rest In Peace my friend, may your new existence bring you someone to debate with."

I'll miss you Joe :(

Pete

I disagree Mr O, true this shodowminister is shifty and shady, but he is shonky as well. This interloper is nothing like the original Shadow Minister, a fine fellow indeed, I found the real SM to be a true Green progressive socialist, a staunch unionist, and a proud Green/Labor voter

Yes indeed, RIP Joe (LOUDMOUTH), you had a fine intellect and were a worthy opponent Sir. Vale my friend.

By Joe. I wonder if we will meet again, in some chat room in the sky?

Sad news indeed, the sudden loss of Joe. RIP my old forum friend.

I am sad to hear of Joe's passing.

A senior staffer in now ex-Liberal Craig Kelly's office is under investigation by police for inappropriate sexual behaviour with women and young girls, some as young as 16. Kelly's office manager the grey haired Frank Zumbo, was responsible for hiring and firing young interns and work experience staff, often young girls. One young girl claims Zumbo kissed her on the neck. Despite a successful AVO against Zumbo, this bloke continues in his roll in Kelly's office.

Claims? There is no shortage of claims, many driven by sick minds and the lure of compensation. Also encouraged by the fact that females proved to be making false claims are never prosecuted.

We don't need you continually reporting on affairs that we can see for ourselves. Your obsessions with this sort of thing are sick.

Posted by plantagenet-
Sad news, we lost Joe ( Loudmouth) last Friday.

Answer- Thanks for letting us know. My condolences.

Not sure if I can post this, as it hasn't been approved by the forums chief censor ttbn, but here goes anyway.

The minister at the centre of the "rape in the office" allegations, Linda Reynolds has been admitted to the Canberra hospital and will take medical leave. Unfortunate Ms Reynolds will have to forgo the opportunity to answer thorny questions at the National Press Club where she was due to appear. Maybe tho hospital visit is to remove the political knife in her back

Paul1405,

I think she is in there to get a sex change.

If you can't beat them, join them.

I see the leading OLO idiot still thinks that having an opinion different from his is censorship.

Nah ttbn, when my options start to vaguely resemble yours its time for me to take the high jump. Why I call you the chief censor, is for example. I put something up about some pervert in some MP's office and you come back with; "We don't need you continually reporting on affairs that we can see for ourselves" , You are attempting to instruct me as to what, or what not I should post. Your form of CENSORSHIP.

Do I tell you to stop putting up dribble about GG's and Chinese New Year, NO! Put up all the boring dribble you like. Anyway the Forum is becoming so boring and uninteresting with a disproportionate number of old farts posting <BORING DRIBBLE>. Many of the sane posters have left or post infrequently, possible hounded away by the chief censor!

Paul1405,

If everything goes successfully with the operation then the next time you see Linda Reynolds in Parliament she will probably have a mustache and a deep voice, be dressed in a pinstriped suit, and be eying female staffers.

It's amazing what they can do with a tarnished image nowadays.

Hi Mr O,

Interesting, the number of politicians who suddenly become mentally ill when things get a bit hot in the kitchen. Barrel's Barilaro the Nationals leader in NSW, suddenly become more mentally deranged than unusual when his Koala Killing legislation was being attacked from all sides. Barrel's had to take sick leave from the parliament and seek psychiatric help. When thing quietened down Barrel's soon returned to his normal level of mental derangement and is now back on deck as per normal.

The Donald and Covid-19, 3 days in the hospital, a bit like Christ 3 days in the tomb. The Donald then immerged as the "Super Donald", fighting fit and ready to take on the world.

Paul1405,

It's an absolute joke!

Surely we can get better people to be our politicians than these types.

They're just not up to the task. As soon as things go awry they book themselves into a hospital.

They should do us all a real favour and book themselves into a retirement centre where their lack of talent will be really appreciated.

Green Idiot,

Why would anyone try to stop you posting when every time you do you demontrate just how bad the extreme Left is, and why the Greens are an 8% party. You are permanent warning to all of just how bad the Green Left is. Your nutty posts are a permanent reminder of the dangers of socialism. Please keep it up.

I don't know ttbn, but you did try to apply the unsuccessful gag to me with your statement; "We don't need you continually reporting on affairs that we can see for ourselves" That shows the only affairs that should be reported are those you approve of and bugger me.

Mr O, "Surely we can get better people to be our politicians than these types." Unfortunaly Nero, Caligula and Attila The Hun are all dead so political talent is a bit thin on the ground these days. I suppose ttbn is ever hopeful for the resurrection of the half a percent party, The Australian Conservatives of which he was a founding member, and their fearless leader Corny Banana. ttbn you are a joke, carry on about The Greens scoring only 8% of the vote, you were a ripped off member of a extreme political party that couldn't even score half a percent of the vote, The Greens outscored your ratbag mob 20 to 1. Enough of me arguing with an old fuddy-duddy it gets one no where. Have a good day.

Paul started this off with "Once again the problem of women and the Liberal Party is in the news."

Now it seems that the problem of women and the Labor Party is in the news....http://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-24/former-mp-emma-husar-speaks-open-letter-labor-women-albanese/13188336

So I'm guessing that the usual suspects will decide its time to drop the whole subject.

Come off the raw prawn Paul, women are everyones problem, especially if they get into parliament.

The AFP has advised the PM that crimes should be reported in a timely manner to avoid the baying mob prejudicing a trial. We've seen the baying mob, including the media, sending George Pell to jail for 400 days, and the same thing could happen if this latest case comes to trial, with t h e likes of a Green rabbit and his commo mates stirring the pot about something they know sweet FA about.

I hope that the complainant has been told something similar. She has already brought the #me too mob out of the woodwork, which might not have happened had she made the complaint ASAP. I also hope that any jury involved - if there is a trial - will remember what was done to George Pell and, not so disastrously, to Craig McLaughlin and Geoffrey Rush.

Hasbeen,

You are what is called a misogynist.

mhaze, your story centres around a deformation lawsuit brought by Emma Husar against the online media mob 'Buzzfeed'.

"A salacious article published by Buzzfeed claimed she had bragged about her sexual relations, sexually harassed an employee and exposed herself to a colleague. Ms Husar sued for defamation and the matter was later settled out of court."

What is the relationship between 'Buzzfeed' and the Labor Party? All the recent allegations of sexual harassment, rape, bullying of women, lack of representation of women etc have emanated from the Liberal Party. If you're got some dirt of this nature on the Labor Party please put it up.

Hassy, just love the "women are everyone's problem, especially if they get into parliament." Mr 19th Century, no sheila's allowed, its a mans world, ah!

Paul1405,

I think Hasbeen feels more comfortable when he is around men.

Shouting each other beers, slapping each other on the back, scratching each other's balls.

You know, real man to man, one on one bloke stuff.

Yep a misogynist, but honest. I can't be the only one who has noticed that from the town council to the national parliament, the more ladies we get, the more quickly things fall apart.

Just for your information Mr O, I don't drink, smoke, gamble or frequent pubs. I have better things to do with my money.

"In a sharply worded letter, AFP Commissioner Reece Kershaw tells Mr Morrison that MPs and staff should quickly report sexual assault or other criminal conduct complaints and allegations while taking into account the rights and privacy of the victim.

AFP and government sources said a sexual assault should not be reported against the wishes of the victim.

“I cannot state strongly enough the importance of timely referrals of allegations of criminal conduct,” Mr Kershaw’s letter states. “Failure to report alleged criminal behaviour in this manner, or choosing to communicate or disseminate allegations via other means, such as through the media or third parties, risks prejudicing any subsequent police investigation.

“Any delay in reporting criminal conduct can result in the loss of key evidence, continuation of the offending and/or reoffending by the alleged perpetrator.

“It also has the very real potential to compromise the rights of victims and other parties to the alleged offences.

“By not adhering to this process, there is a real risk that any alternative actions by individuals may lead to obstructing, preventing, perverting or defeating the course of justice or the administration of the law.”

shifty & shady minister,

So what exactly are you saying that they are saying?

From the recommendation of the AFP chief, it would appear that Reynolds acted appropriately. She got the AFP involved by getting Miss Higgins to file a complaint and respected her privacy by not broadcasting it.

I think Emma Husar has suffered as much from other Labor MPs.

Mr uneducated opinion,

I'll explain in small words that you can understand:

Reynolds done good! Police happy!

"Just for your information Mr O, I don't drink, smoke, gamble or frequent pubs. I have better things to do with my money."

Same here, hasbeen. Going by some of the garbage flung around here, quite a few posters are pissed or drugged up all the time.

Paul,

The article WASN'T just about Buzzfeed.

For example, it said....

"I have been galled watching my former colleagues speak out, yet were silent bystanders when I endured such horrendous treatment," Ms Husar wrote in her letter.

"The Labor Party cannot pretend that poor treatment of women exists on only one side of the political divide."

And much more.....

Standard operating procedure there from Paul. Looks at an issue with his eyes closed and then claims he can't see any problems.

Andrew Bolt is the only public commentator who has twigged that Scott Morrison plays identity politics and race politics when he is under pressure. Morrison wants ‘more women’. Let’s hope they do a better job than Reynolds and the others he has now. Bolt rightly says that he doubts that a man performing as badly as Reynolds would still be in the job.

On the race card, Bolt recalls Morrison’s frantic defence of Gladys Liu, branding anyone criticising the woman as “racist”.

The ChineseCommunist Party’s paper, the ‘Global Times’, praised Morrison for calling Australians who faulted Liu ‘racists’.

“Scotty from marketing” - Bolt’s words - is starting to fray around the edges, revealing what he is really like, unsuitable leader material. His recent speech fawning over women was too sickening to continue watching.

Newspoll might have him at 62% popularity to Albanese’s 26%, but that might not mean much, now that Morrison has lost the one seat majority for his appalling treatment of Kelly, and the party-choice poll is at 50/50.

I am relieved to see Hasbeen, as one of the few who still has the courage of his conviction to tell it like it is.
I for one, by nature, abhor PC and those who simply follow the rest of the herd, because of a lack of courage, and conviction, and are afraid of being virtue shamed.
Women are NOT a liberal party problem at all, because they don't hire women based on virtue signaling or pressure from irrelevant groups or people.
As Hasbeen has rightly pointed out, when one looks back at the stats, women have been an abysmal failure, and don't bother pointing out the odd one that has barely hung in there, by the grace of MALE colleagues.
The problem IS in the fact that a female does not project, nor is a authorative figure.
PC has destroyed the natural order of things, and the weak and gutless amongst us have allowed the loud and more aggressive minorities to rise and prosper, against all that is natural.
A case in point, when I was debating/arguing/discussing the rights and status of women, in a similar debate as this one, she said "women had to fight tooth and nail to get to where we are today".
My response was for her to think about what she had just said, and my point was, if you had to fight tooth and nail to get something, then it is patently clear, you were not meant to have it.
The world has been going against nature now for some decades.
What some like to call progress, I have seen it as regress.
Just think back to some of the ridiculous decisions made in the past, and you will realise that we now have the inmates running the asylum.

There was a sociologist who specialises in sexual abuse on ABC news this morning who said that 1 in 3 people do not believe women who claim to be rape victims while in fact only 5% of these women have actually been proven not to be telling the truth.

We should ask Jen.

Now, now boys Paulo, tt, Mopi.

If I had my way I'd leave OLO comment threads clean, righteous and uncluttered by

CENSORING THE LOT OF YOU.

Happy?
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As to you Mr Hasbean

Was it not Mr Yoshiro Mori (oriental, like Mopi) who Was Tokyo Olympics President, but then sadly forced to stand down after saying

"Women talk too much".

And then he was replaced by a WOMAN?!

What is Japan's Kamikaze, Samerai, Salaryman culture coming to? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salaryman

Your Lord

Pete

Plantagenet, you give a very poignant yet strong example of PC and how it has invaded the minds of many to the point where it is now so corrosive, it is eating away at the very fabric of what it means to be, a society.
The core values have been attacked and ravaged to suite the agenda of a very loud and aggressive, mis-guided few.
Why is it that the many are forced into submission by the few?
As for women and their standing in society, no-one ever accused women of anything before all this rubbish started.
Women were valued for what/who they were, just like anyone else, not as equals or betters or worse even.
They were people, like everyone else.
Now, for no good reason, we are supposed to hold women to such a high level of esteem that even the women get light headed if placed in that rarified air.
One of the most appropriate phrases/comments I have heard, was; The man is the authorative figure, the woman, his support.
This came from the original findings of strengths and weaknesses of women, which begins with child birth.
From there, by the law of nature she would proceed, instinctively to the nurturing and caring stage.
The male/father was the disciplinarian, but only after the child was at an age of reasoning.
Nowhere has it ever been written or recorded that the mother should give birth and then as soon as possible begin a whole raft of un-natural acts and scenarios which means, having given birth, she's off, back to posing and her selfish, "look at moi", lifestyle.
NO, I don't care what the PC brigade or the feminazi's have to say.
As far as I am concerned mother nature is our guide not mother-f.....rs.
Another of my predictions is that women will start to see where they have gone wrong, and in time, nature and common sense and reason will win out, and women will start getting back to being wives and mothers, NOT CEO's and something they are completely unnecessary and unsuitable for.

Who do we deal with first? SM

Shadowminister, there was nothing, I repeat absosoulty nothing, in AFP Commissioner Reece Kershaw's letter that would indicate the incompetent Minister Linda Reynolds acted appropriately. Show where it tells one, if the victim doesn't want the matter perused that it should not be reported. In fact its just the opposite; "I (Reece Kershaw) cannot state strongly enough the importance of timely referrals of allegations of criminal conduct,”. If as you claim then why did Reynolds apologise last week for her handling of such a serious matter. She can run, (to the sick house), but she can't hide.

mhaze, chalk and cheese, one a very serious criminal matter, where physical and mental harm has been done, the other a civil matter of slander by a pro Liberal online rag, nasty as it was, and Emma Husar was rightly vindicated by the court. As for the silence, lack of open support, from Albanese and others in the Labor Party, I agree its not a good look.

Hasbeen, "Yep a misogynist" your own words, nothing else to be said.

ALTRAV, Il Duce, a typical rant of yours. "PC and how it has invaded the minds of many" Not yours I can see, you need to have a mind in the first place before it can be invaded. What is in your head, scrambled egg? Its good to see you back, and crowing from your perch as usual.

Why is the forum populated by so many Old Farts, and bed wetters! Not one progressive women left here to argue the case.

Paul, you said it, and you know why?
Because their ARE NO PROGRESSIVE WOMEN!
Paul, as I have illustrated and shown that all of the worlds faults can be shown to have women embroiled in them somewhere.
I leave you at the beginning.
Adam and EVE!

You don't need "progressive women" to argue "the case". Their arguments would be the same as Green 1405's arguments. They wouldn't convince us "old farts" any more than his do. And, speaking of old facts, 1405 is one himself. It's pretty pathetic of someone like him pretending to be a hipster. The young ones laugh at people like him pretending to be like them. Women would probably find him ridiculous too. He needs a good talking to from his wife who, given his past references to the lady, has much more sense than he does.

Oh for gods sake Pet & Paul, do try to talk sense.

No one can deny that our education system is an utter shambles, teaching almost nothing, & near collapse. And what has gone hand in hand with this collapse, the feminisation of the whole sector.

Local government now spends twice as much for half the result. I'll let you count the sexes in the chambers. I could go on, but why waste my time.

All too many women are emotional, logic has little meaning to most of them. Too much emotion & not enough logic equals disaster.

Pauliar,

Given your past displays of epic ignorance of the law, I'm not surprised that you didn't have the mental horsepower to work out what the appropriate actions should have been.

What do you think Kershaw meant by "a sexual assault should not be reported against the wishes of the victim" and "taking into account the rights and privacy of the victim." and “Failure to report alleged criminal behaviour in this manner, or choosing to communicate or disseminate allegations via other means, such as through the media or third parties, risks prejudicing any subsequent police investigation."

Perhaps, Paul, you should suggest what the senator should have done without the 2020 hindsight we now have when she met with Ms Higgins. I doubt you can without looking like a moron.

Ms Higgins had been found in her office half-naked, drunk, unauthorised and claiming to have been raped but having refused assistance to report this to the police. The alleged rapist who had no previous history of sexual harassment who'd entered the office with Ms Higgins had been summarily fired for the security breach.

shonkminister, stop pulling that pretence that you are some kind of legal eagle, having been to court to pay your traffic finds does not make you a legal expert. You are trying it on again, misquoting or quoting Kershaw out of context to justify your position.

In reference to reporting sexual assault Kershaw said;

“Such matters should be reported to the AFP without delay, taking into account the rights and privacy of the victim, and irrespective of the jurisdiction in which the alleged conduct has occurred.

“As these matters can be complex and sensitive, Members and Senators, and their parliamentary staff and electorate offices, are encouraged to contact the AFP for advice in regards to the appropriate process and actions that should be followed.”

In a starling new allegation; the 'Newdaily' reports;

"A rape allegation against one of Scott Morrison’s own Cabinet Ministers has been referred to federal police after a letter was sent to the Prime Minister detailing the allegations. The letter came with a detailed statement prepared by the complainant for her lawyer."

How will Morrison sweep this one under the carpet? Who wont tell him about the allegation this time, the Cabinet Minister involved? Fess up "Fred" or who ever you are, come clean on what you have been up to. Like the useless Linda Reynolds, you can run but you can't hide!

Dear Hassy

Where you say "Pet & Paul" I renew my vow of hots for Mary.

In my lifelong quest for the perfect (hence unobtainable) woman Mary Travers rates high.

Check her out, here http://youtu.be/Ld6fAO4idaI

She's a Goddess, Aye! And she can sing to.

But there's a catch. Mary's not looking so good, lately, sadly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Travers#Illness_and_death
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Are well, I'll have to settle for Duchess Kate Middleton

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RAPE ALLEGATION AGAINST MINISTER IN MORRISON CABINET

Hi Paul1405

As the New Daily suffers from being a hard access paysite.

My bevy of Agency minions have located http://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-26/pm-senators-afp-told-historical-rape-allegation-cabinet-minister/13197248 of Feb 26, 2021:

TITLE "Scott Morrison, senators and AFP told of historical rape allegation against Cabinet Minister"

BODY "Australian Federal Police have been notified of a letter sent to Prime Minister Scott Morrison detailing an alleged historical rape by a Cabinet Minister in the federal government.

The letter requests urgent action be taken by the Prime Minister to investigate the alleged rape, which occurred in 1988 before the accused man entered politics.

The matter has also been referred to the Australian Federal Police.

The letter was forwarded to AFP Commissioner Reece Kershaw by Labor's Leader in the Senate, Penny Wong, and Greens Senator Hanson-Young, who were also recipients of the letter.

Four Corners understands that Commissioner Kershaw has briefed South Australia Police and NSW Police.

The letter, shared with Four Corners by a friend of the complainant, attaches a detailed statement prepared by the complainant for her lawyer about the brutal rape she alleges took place.

...Last year, NSW Police set up a strike force with a view to commencing an investigation into the historical allegations about the Cabinet Minister after the woman came forward.

Strike Force Wyndarra was established by police after she reported in Sydney in February 2020 to detectives from the NSW Police Child Abuse and Sex Crimes Squad that she had been raped by the man.

The woman had engaged a lawyer and told many friends about the allegation, but took her own life in June last year.

In a statement to Four Corners on Friday, Ms Hanson-Young said: "This morning I received information regarding a disturbing and a very serious allegation of a criminal nature against a senior member of the government..."

MUCH MORE at http://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-26/pm-senators-afp-told-historical-rape-allegation-cabinet-minister/13197248

The Liberal party has more important problems to worry about than women. In WA, they have been abandoned by their one-time backers, big business; the Liberal leader has conceded before the polls open. Federally, Morrison has thrown away their one seat majority by listening to Green Labor's whining about Craig Kelly. In SA, they are now a minority government, thanks to charges of rorting expenses by some politicians. In Victoria and Queensland, they don't even get mentioned in the media anymore.

Never has the country been so controlled by forces of the Left since what was once a right of centre party has supposedly been in charge.

Everywhere but Australia, liberal has always meant 'left'. Overseas, people naturally thought that the Liberal party was a left wing party. Here in Australia, it is now also true; the rot started with Turnbull, and it has worsened with Morrison.

Where's Linda? Has anybody seen Linda?

Ask Jen, she'll know.

Where's Jen? Has anybody seen Jen?

Ask Soot, he'll know.

Where's Soot? Has anybody seen Soot?

Ask the Attorney General, he'll know.

Where's the Attorney General? Has anybody seen the Attorney General?

Ask the AFP, they'll know.

shifty and shady minister,

We all think it is not a matter of what she did but what she didn't do.

Ask Jen.

Mr uneducated,

Given that "On April 1, 2019, nine days after the alleged crime, Higgins told Reynolds she was raped in her office. The alleged victim declined to pursue police action and asked for privacy."

Please suggest what other appropriate action the senator could have taken? Otherwise, it is just more ignorant hot air.

shifty and shady minister,

She should have done what I would have done.

If I was the responsible Minister I would have reported the complaint to the AFP for investigation.

It's all about what is right and what is wrong.

If Reynolds chose not to report a crime against a member of the Parliamentary staff than she also chose to act unconscionably.

If she could not look after one of her own staff then how can we trust her to look after the citizens she swore to protect.

If the accuser won't make a complaint immediately, it is not up to anyone else to do it for her. This thread has been a load of crap. A couple of drunks have sex; the female decides some time later that she was raped. There is nothing in this all too familiar scenario to suggest women are a "Liberal Party Problem". Reynolds is incompetent at her job, but on this purely one person making a claim against another, she is blameless. The whole sorry episode, caused by the use of alcohol, has nothing to do with politics - particularly with Liberal party, as claimed by a nasty little Green loser, who should be putting his energy into his nasty little 8% party instead of whining about a party that has managed to win 8 of the last 10 elections.

You want to feel sorry for a woman in politics? Try the Liberal Member for Boothby, Nicolle Flint, greatly valued by the Liberal Party that is supposed to hate women, she has decided to stand down at the next election because of sexual harassment, by UNIDENTIFIED members of the public and hard-Left ABC radio presenter, Peter Goers. Though of course it would be all her fault, not the wonderful ABC's or Leftist lunatics who described her as a "shank" and a "prostitute". Goers didn't go that far, but he kept up with sarcastic, on-air criticism of her elegant, feminine appearance to suggest that she wasn't the bloody hard worker for her electorate that she was. She was first elected in 2016 and re-elected in 2019, much to the chagrin of the Left who the polls told the seat was a shoo-in for Green Labor. Guess who her tormentors were!

Sad thing is Linda Reynolds IS a good Defence Minister.

She understands the international policy and the military technology.

She's had more direct experience working in the military than any Defence Minister in living memory.

Making her a likely loss to a portfolio sorely needing military expertise.

See her CV http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Reynolds#Military_career

"She served variously as an officer cadet, regional logistics officer, training development officer,

military instructor at the Army Command and Staff College, commanding officer of the

5th Combat Service Support Battalion, director of the Active Standby Staff Group,

project director at the Canberra Deep Space Communications Complex,

strategy development director of Raytheon [mil tech] Australia,

director of the Accountability Model Implementation Project, and director of the

Army Strategic Reform Program.

She was adjutant general of the Army Reserve from 2012 to 2013.[1]

She was awarded the Conspicuous Service Cross in the 2011 Australia Day Honours for

"outstanding achievement as the Director of Army Strategic Reform Program coordination".

[Reynolds rose to Brigadier rank in 2012].

Plantagenet, I'm sorry but your point is moot.
As long as there are men available, I for one see NO realistic reason for choosing a female.
First and foremost, sociologists have noted that females have not, do not and cannot exude a level of respect and authority that men do by nature or naturally.
And that when it is forced upon others, including other women, it is not greeted with the the level of submission and acceptance expected by the authors of the feminist movement, and it never will.
Females have a place, but it is NOT that of men!
I'll tell you what, when man can conceive, carry and give birth to another human being, I will consider this very egregiously arrogant fallacy of equality for political and selfish purposes.

Hi AL

I respect your philosophy covering half the people on Earth.

Its far better than LEGO's "ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD" philosophy of life.
________________

Maggie Thatcher, self-made woman and great PM, nationally and internationally http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Thatcher

A "British politician and stateswoman who served as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom from 1979 to 1990 and Leader of the Conservative Party from 1975 to 1990.

She was the longest-serving British prime minister of the 20th century."

She:

- Rolled back the UK's extreme left Union strike power which was holding the UK economy to ransom.

- did much to make UK's win in Falklands War possible (must UK PMs would have chickened out against Argentina)

- helped inspire President Reagan to defang Communist Russia/Eastern Europe into a much weaker empire.

Regards

Pete

Plantagenet, firstly I must awaken you and others to the fact that no one person who is called a Prime Minister or President, under common laws of a democratic country and even a federation, is run/ruled by that person.
Thatcher was nothing more than a selfish, arrogant moron, who had a severe problem of self adoration and narcissistic demeanor.
Everyone seems to forget that these people are simply "messengers" who front the people to announce the decision of GOVERNMENT! NOT THEIR personal opinions or decisions.
If that were the case, they would be DICTATORS!
So, please enough with the sick adoration of these people especially women.
If you care to look at the history of women in high office, especially in the private sector, their performance has been abysmal, and got the job on political grounds (quotas and all that rubbish) rather than on merit.
I am sickened by attitudes such as you have described, in listing what the govt of the day achieved, and YOU deciding that it was all down to her.
Well I'm sorry but you may want to believe that, I will stick with the fact that there are several hundred other MEN in parliament, and one female counts for naught, in such a situation.
Anyway, on a more analytical note.
Thatcher was nothing like what is generally described as a woman.
The closest she would count is as a female; but only just.

I agree with you Pete, but Maggie was the one exception, at least to date.

A quick glance at Germany today will show what is more likely with a woman in power. I doubt Germany will survive the current idiot.We've had some beat ladies, Remember Natasha Stott Despoja.

I watched a couple of TV news programs tonight. You can see them going the same way as education, since it became a requirement for all news room personnel to have long blond or blonded straight hair.

Thanks Hassy

For your part support.

As a special prize check out this 1 minute North Korean goose-step parade to a hot beat http://youtu.be/QbC6dLG_dQY

The Daughters of the Kim Revolution, 29 seconds in, are especially fetching.

Cheers

Pete

I see that there is a new historical accusation against a Labor MP to go with Bill Shorten's unresolved accusation.

I also see that the claimant of the 33yr old claim against the Liberal MP begged the ABC to respect her privacy and not to publish her story. The ABC went ahead anyway. Was her suicide anything to do with this?

The hypocrisy of Penny Wong introducing a 33yr "historical" case of rape that now has no witness or legally admissible evidence at all is breathtaking. It is pure smut and mudracking

Mr Uneducated,

In one sanctimonious fit, you would have done exactly what the police commissioner said you shouldn't and would have infringed the victim's rights and privacy.

Thank god no one every let you make an important decision.

Linda Reynolds failed in her duty of care to a young employee Brittany Higgins, who had confided to her a serious allegation of a criminal nature, her rape in the minsters office, late at night by another Liberal staffer. Instead of offering real support and empathy to Ms Higgins, Reynolds chose to take the political path and do her best to cover up the matter. Reynolds even went to the extent of having cleaners in to clean the sofa on which the alleged offence took place. Reynolds, suspecting a criminal offence had taken place was legally obliged to discreetly contact the AFP, something she failed to do. This time in the "sick bed" is a ploy to keep Reynolds from answering thorny questions about the matter. Reynolds should resign or be sacked!

Well what do you know? Our greenie mate wants cabinet ministers sticking their noses into the private activities or Canberra workers. Can you imagine the huge stink they would pull if it actually happened to one of them, & their dirty linen was broadcast for all to see.

As for rape allegations, come on mate, we all know the scenario.
Girl has a drunken one nigh stand with a work mate. She doesn't like the way her behavior makes her feel about herself the next day. Doesn't like feeling like a bit of a tart, so decides she wouldn't have done such a thing just because she was drunk. It can't be her fault, so it must have been rape.

I don't know about your circles, but back in my younger days, it was the girl taking the young bloke to bed as often as the other way around. I can recall more than a few young blokes walking down the isle as we did in those days, with a rather surprised expression on their face, trying to figure out how all this happened.

Paul, I should not be surprised as you overreact to anything YOU don't like or agree with.
I suppose that's fine, if the situation in question did not come with savagely over virtuous accusations and ultimately, extremely severe consequences, all because females today want to conduct themselves like males.
It is expected, no, demanded of us and approved by nature, that the male of a species, mate with the female of the same species.
Now so many people have given a very concerted account of this stupid and pathetic waste of time, instigated by a very stupid and pathetic waste of space, who is the typical young female of today.
Emotional and indecisive, to mention just two of their many flaws.
Paul, you can try and make this about rape, but who exactly was raped?
And as for a moronic judicial system and laws, just as bad as the wording, I would like to meet the morons who worded these laws.
Such as; Sexual assault!
What, did a guy attack a female with his penis as to cause her GBH?
The word rape, I understand.
A person of a particular sex, forces themselves onto another of the opposite sex, for the purpose of engaging in sexual intercourse with the other person.
That's pretty clear, but all this other rubbish is not.
As I have said before, it is absolutely unrealistic and un-acceptable that a person be charged and convicted of a crime which occurred decades ago when the law/system accepted that kind of behaviour, or at least, did not feel the need to charge or prosecute at the time.
So the morons and absolute deviant mongrels who decide to use todays laws to charge someone of an offence which happened decades ago, under todays laws, is just beyond anything any reasonable and intelligent man should have to tolerate today.
And some of you wonder why I disagree with so many and so much of this country.
I would not need to say a thing if people actually had a brain, or at least used what little brain they do have.

shifty & shady minister,

That's alright, I think we all know what was going on.

And I think we all know the reason the Minister did not want to pursue the matter.

Mr uneducated,

From your previous comments, I know that you don't have a clue as to what is going on.

Pauliar,

Given your complete inability to point out what Reynolds did inappropriately, why should she resign and not for example Bill Shorten?

shady % shifty,

So we now all think that you would not have reported the complaint to the police.

We now all think that you would have swept it under the carpet and tried to cover it up to protect the offender.

"From your previous comments, I know that you don't have a clue as to what is going on." (SM)

Not one of you has a clue. The law is quite explicit on these matters, but all you are interested in is winning arguments - something that is never going to happen. All this nonsense started with the weird idea that a single individual claiming to be raped meant that the Liberal Party has a problem with women!

What hogwash! No wonder the interest in, and number of contributions to The Forum have dropped off dramatically.

ttbn,

Looks like you want to sweep these issues under the carpet and cover things up.

That sort of attitude will get you a big discount if you ever have to front up at court.

Hassy,

I don't expect anything less from you, this living in the 1950's, trying to applying the standards of a bygone era. To answer your assertions;

"cabinet ministers sticking their noses into the private activities of Canberra workers." When a serious crime is suspected to have been committed in their workplace, yes I do believe they have an obligation, in fact they must report, just as you would have, have that legal obligation to report the matter to police. As the AFP Commissioner Reece Kershaw said; in a discreet manor, mindful of the sensitivity and privacy of the matter. Judging by the number of Liberals and others, excluding Morrison, who Knew about the event the "dirty linen" was well and truly "aired for all to see".

As for your "scenario" that may have been what happened in 1950's in every case you ever came across, the female is never to be believed, but in 2021 Brittany Higgins tells a different story.

Alti,

Its your misogynistic way to believe women are inferior/subservient to you, and are only good for cleaning, cooking and reproducing. I suspect you are a female dominated male who when your not attacking women with your keyboard, it a case of yes dear no dear, three bags full dear.

SM,

Reynolds was legally required by law to discreetly, and with due regard for the victim report the suspected criminal matter to police. Reynolds chose the political option and went for a cover up. There still remains the charge that Reynolds was happy to direct Ms Higgins away from reporting the matter to police, with undertones of "This could affect your promising career." If Reynolds was so "clean" in this matter, why did she stand up in the parliament and apologise for her actions

BTW, your attempt to smear the ABC was pathetic the woman in question sadly committed suicide long before the ABC first aired the allegation. By now most know who the Cabinet Minister involved is, soon it will be public knowledge.

Paul1405,

I don't know who it is.

Who is it! Who is it!

He should come forward. There's a big judge's discount up for grabs if he is found guilty.

But he has to pass the 'No Means Yes Test' if he wants to get the big discount.

Here it is:

http://www.utahsexcrimesattorney.com/54/no-means-yes-according-to-an-australian-judge/

Yes . . . . . No means Yes.

And Yes means No but only when followed by a double affirmative proto No.

Makes sense to me ........ And I'm not even a rapist! Or a judge!

Paul, I love the way you keep putting your foot in it.
Now you see, we have a problem.
Firstly, just as an aside, you must hang around some very poofy wogs, because this wog is about as woggy as they come, and having said that, I don't recall any of us being "dominated" or "dominant".
I don't know who you're hanging around with, but that ain't me or any wog I know.
Now to more serious matters.
You see Paul, if you are right about your accusation and perception of myself and my interactions or views regarding myself and my wife, I might have to report you to the police for being a "peeping tom", as I have never been aware of your being in my home, to observe the interactions between me and my wife.
So Paul, which is it?
Have you been spying on me, or are you full of the proverbial?
Oh yes, and BTW, I will take your description of me in the first sentence with pride, and wear it like a badge of honour.
I must thank you for the accolade and acknowledgement.

Mr Opinion, FINALLY, some actual words of common sense and reason from a member of the judiciary, who apparently, has not succumbed to peer pressure and the convoluted and pathetic new language of lies, called Political Correctness.

ALTRAV,

Do you know who the Cabinet minister is who apparently raped a girl about 30 years ago?

Pauliar and Mr uneducated.

The police commissioner was very clear, reporting an alleged rape on behalf of someone against their wishes is unacceptable, and from what I understand the police will simply refuse to open a case not brought by the victim.

Also, the opposite of doing something reckless stupid and harmful to the alleged victim isn't inaction. The senator not only suggested that Ms Higgins report the incident but offered her all the support she could. That Ms H refused to proceed meant that the senator could not do any more than offer support.

That's the greens for you, the virtue signalling is more important than the victim.

Mr Opinion, NO!
And guess what?
Neither do I care, because the truth is there was no RAPE, and anyway, trying to make it political only shows up your lack of morals, ethics and maturity.
He was not a politician at the time apparently.
But anyway, why do we care?
This kind of activity is the norm today.
I remember when that smart-arse Wilkinson splattered her stupid face on TV telling mothers to stop their BOYS from raping girls.
Well I say to her and all those woke hypocrites out there, tell the females to stop acting like sluts, and go back to the values of old, and things will miraculously change for the better.
So Paul, stop trying to be the voice of virtuosity and just shut up about things you clearly and obviously know little to nothing about.

ALTRAV and shady/shifty minister,

Then why is there an apparent big cover up if there is nothing to hide?

Why don't they just come out in the open and clear the air?

All seems a bit fishy to me.

I see the police have ceased their investigation into the apparent rape of a woman by a Cabinet minister.

Does that mean that the Cabinet minister can now be named since the case is no longer under investigation?

SM,

You are yet to offer one word of explanation as to why Linda Reynalds stood up in the parliament and APPOLIGISED for her handling of the complaint from Brittany Higgins. Was it because Reynalds was politically motivated to protect the Liberal Party from the political fallout.

As for the "Rapists in the Ranks" allegation, it shows that my original claim that women are a problem for the Liberal party is true. BTW, the Minister involved is likely to fess up tomorrow. He will be no surprise.

Nicolle Flint, the Liberal MP who called out sexism in the party, has had enough of the Liberals old boy's club, and will not contest the next election.

Paul, firstly stop spouting crap.
THERE WAS NO RAPE!
Man how thick are you?
And I thought people learned a lot as they aged, because of all the experiences they have witnessed or participated in.
Paul, the things you say and opine, are those of someone who has grown up in a vacuum.
You just can't go around accusing someone of something they did NOT do!
Your typical of what I hate about people, you let your stupid, naïve, and childish ideologies rule your lives at much expense to yourselves and those around you.
Just once I would like to hear a serious and credible comment/answer from you.
I am tired of deflecting nonsense and complete irrelevances, such as someone trying to make a point where there is none to be made, or exaggerating in a vain attempt to win a point.
Surely you must get tired some times and wish you could just agree and move on.
I won't go on as I know you get it.

ALTI,

As English is your second language, calling yourself a "wog" I understand your failure of comprehension. I have not presented the alleged rape of Brittany Higgins as an undisputed fact. I have used such words as "allegation" in referring to the matter. Unlike you who categorically makes the claim; "THERE WAS NO RAPE!" Can I assume you were privy to some inside observation that no one else was, were you spying? I simply said; "I suspect you are a female dominated male" either that, or you are totally devoid of women in your life, although its hard to escape not having a female mother figure at some stage. A surprise to me you actually have a wife, but stranger things have happened.

I imagine when the alleged "Rapists in the Ranks" outs himself tomorrow there will be half a dozen Liberal Cabinet Ministers breathing a sigh of relief.

Paul, you are really reaching.
You are absolutely guilty of all that I charge you with, because what actually happened between the two "players", was consensual and what she did was quite normal of females today.
So my point is, she was NOT raped!
So STOP saying it was rape!
I wonder in fact these days and the level of morals being displayed by females today, that who knows: did she rape him?
She was so disgusted with herself the next morning, that I would say her mother and father would have been so proud of her.
I'll bet she couldn't wait to tell them what a great night she had.
Ah yes, the same old maggots today, how proud their husbands and children, in fact their whole family, must be of them knowing how they conducted themselves when they were growing up.
You see Paul, if you want to know how nature works, just let me know, and I am more than happy to enlighten you.
I don't know how old you are, but surely you're not so old as to have forgotten what it was like to court your chosen one, and all that without sex.
NO?
Oh well, just say the word and I will fill you in on the laws of nature and the birds and the bee's, and so on

Rape... hmmm

Ok, I don't even know what it is in 2021 anymore

So can anyone tell me did he supposedly:

A/ Force himself on her, smack her around a bit, rape her violently and tell her if she tells anyone he'll kill her;

Or

B/ Did she get blind rotten drunk at the work Christmas party;
Getting her boobs out and trying to come on to every bloke there;
Then old mate who was also really drunk shares a cab with her and brings her home, she wakes up and thinks 'Oh my God NO, it was you, I'll claim rape and say I was in no state to give consent'
And he also wakes up and say 'Oh my God NO, how did I end up bringing her home';
- But it doesn't matter and he gets charged anyway

Everything's all blurry now in 2021,
A or B you need to be specific...

AC, you're mostly correct.
They got blind drunk, who cares where, then they ended up back at the office.
they were both apparently gagging for it, as is the norm, and the rest is part of a fictional novel.
I don't get the part where she takes forever to come forward.
Honestly if the system doesn't get it's act together and stop all this virtue signaling and PC crap, we are ALL going to end up in the doo-doo.
She is another of the Me-Too brigade.
Useless, worthless liars.
They destroy men and families with their arrogant, ignorant ideologies and holier-than-thou attitude.
They must be stopped by ignoring them and the maggots who claim to be virtuous, yet sluts.
As far as I am concerned the females decided they were as good as "any man", and so it has come to pass that even the women now, go out at night looking for sex.
It has been said that they conduct themselves like prostitutes, only more stupid as they sell their bodies for a few piddly drinks.
Well they're not even good at that, when a prostitute gets a shedload more AND a few piddly drinks.
How smart are the maggots of today?
Oh, that's right, they're as good as any man.

ALTI,

You simply allow your misogynistic attitudes to run away with your thinking. Turning vague suppositions into undeniable facts, victim blaming and all that guff. Your misogyny is brought on by your total fear of women. As a small child were you dominated by strong women, possibly your grandmother and mother? Later on by another strong women, your wife. The fact is these "strong" women may not be all that strong, its more a case of you being an extremely weak male. Fear is a powerful emotion, and you demonstrate the classic male fear of females. In your advanced years it would be impossible to alter that cringing behaviour, and you'll just have to live with it until the clock stops ticking.

I see the fly larvae are getting another decent airing from you, as you run off at the mouth in your usual uncontrolled fashion. Be careful not to get yourself another enforced holiday, I would miss your "valuable" contributions to this little forum if you did.

Pauliar,

Given that you and Mr uneducated have both confirmed that you would have hurt the alleged victim by violating her privacy and have no clue as to the appropriate procedure all you are left with is to sling unsubstantiated accusations.

Reynolds apologised for interviewing Ms Higgins in her office where the "alleged" rape supposedly occurred not for anything else, and you have failed miserably to show what else she should have done.

Shonkyminister coming with the rubbish as per usual; "Reynolds apologised for interviewing Ms Higgins in her office" a small factor in the apology, What you fail to mention is;

The mishandling of the allegations by Minister Reynolds compounded Ms Higgins trauma and grief.

“No woman should have to go through what she (Higgins) has been through,” Senator Reynolds told parliament.

“That trauma that comes not just in the immediate aftermath of an assault, but in the many months and the many long years that follow it is what those of us in this building failed to acknowledge.”

Pauliar,

Thanks for acknowledging what I said before. The apology wasn't for failing to report anything, it was for failing to be sufficiently sympathetic.

You are also the very worst form of mysogynist clearly exposed in your preference to throw Ms Higgins under the bus to further your political agenda. Your faux outrage on behalf of Ms Higgins is sharply contrasted when Shorten was accused of rape with your comparative silence on his victims well being and even further with you flat out denial when two higher level greens party members were charged and convicted as paedophiles.

Paul, do you actually write your comments, or do you let your wife do that for you?
I think it quite amusing that you choose to attack me yet offer little to none in rebuttal to my comments.
I like being a misogynist, and proud of it, especially since the females of today have been given such un-deserved status.
I have never been afraid or intimidated by WOMEN, quite the opposite.
On the other hand my disdain and disgust for females is quite reasonable and justified, when one looks around today.
Why you keep harping on about me and your perceived insecurities with women, is beyond me, and quite frankly, only convinces everyone that it is you who has these problems, as you seem to describe them with such detail and passion.
Paul when the sluts of today start acting like women again, I will refrain from highlighting their unsociable and disgusting lifestyle and anti-social attitudes.
So according to you, it's ok for your wife to have slept around before you came along.
I know I met mine when she was sixteen and chaste.
Now knowing your wife was a virgin before you came is a good thing I and billions of others, both men AND women, would agree, so why is it Paul, that you don't.
You see I'm not going to make disparaging comments about you or your family, but I might suggest that you tone it down a bit as some here on OLO, are not as tough and experienced as I and they might get a little upset with you over your beliefs and comments.
Now back to the joke at hand.
So you believe that I turn vague suppositions into undeniable facts, and all that guff?
Well if you actually read my submissions you will find that I speak truths and facts.
As for attacking the victim, I can only assume you mean the guy in all this, because he is the victim.
Paul, you have, for some obscure reason, decided to take the wrong line on this one, and I'm baffled as to why.

The worst kept secret of who is the alleged "Rapist in the Ranks" of the Federal Cabinet is now out of the bag. Surprise, surprise, surprise its none other than "Vomit Boy" himself Christian Porter. Naturally Porter is running the defence that the rape never happened, Porter said he wouldn't stand aside, rather he's going to do a Linda Reynolds and book a couple of weeks of sick leave. To resolve this matter, an open independent enquiry is what's needed, similar to the Dyson Heydon enquiry which looked into sexual impropriety by the former judge.

Porter has outed himself because he knew that the baying mob of witch hunters, lead by the MSM, would do it soon enough. He was 17, and his now deceased accuser was 16. Twenty years ago. Even the the Victoria Police, who stitched up the innocent George Pell, couldn't make up a case for that. And, Federal Police knocked the whole thing in the head for lack of any credible evidence. Dead people and anonymous letters don't make the grade in a rule of law country, where guilt has to be proved beyond reasonable doubt.

All that is left is for trolls like Eight Percent Man to splutter and spit out rubbish that would land him in court if he could be identified.

Mr Half A Percent,

Exactly what have I said that would "land me in court" as you claim. I never identified Porter although I knew it was him several days ago. Anyone can be identified by the moderator GY. Very easy, but as we know you are full of it, answer that one, as you try to be some kind of forum censor, why don't you put up or shut up.

BTW; At the last election The Greens outpolled your mob 20 to 1.

Paul, sorry mate but I'm sure I read, somewhere in the past comments where you kept calling him "The rapist".
Isn't hat grounds for some kind of legal charges?
I'm not a lawyer but reading material in mediums such as OLO and many more, I am left with a sense of disgust that people immediately fall in behind the most sensational stories and accusations, because the truth is boring and does not excite them as much as a good lie.
How many times do I have to remind the sheeple, the plebs, that in this case, and most others too, it was NOT RAPE!
Paul, until you are prepared to see things for what they REALLY are, and not like Foxy, who just kept on about this fantasy world she lived in her head, you will never be at rest within yourself and your beliefs.
I can't think like your kind of people.
I am too old fashioned and believe in right and wrong, and not convenience and expediency.
Paul, your devotion and adoration for some people and even political parties, is admirable, but narrow minded.
You must accept that even those you love, sometimes make mistakes, some big, but most of them small, so open and broaden your mind and you will see the truth and not just what you want to see or believe.

Paul, BTW.
What did you mean by; "anyone can be identified by the moderator GY?
As Pauline would say, "Please explain"!

"Paul, sorry mate but I'm sure I read, somewhere in the past comments where you kept calling him "The rapist". Isn't that grounds for some kind of legal charges?"

ALTRAV, either show where I said that "him" above using the name Christian Porter, or withdraw the comment, as I never said that. Otherwise you maybe required to explain yourself. The first naming of Mr Porter by me appeared on this forum after he appeared on national TV this afternoon, outing himself. Note the use of the word ALLEGED IN THE ABOVE COMMENT BY ME. You sir are sailing very close to the wind. Always giving you a chance.

Of course you can be tracked down by the authorities through this site, through your internet provider, if need be. You didn't know that. Wow, you are behind the times.

8%.

Wow. : "Mr Half A Percent". What a response! What an imagination! Duh.

Paul, you're doing it again.
YOU just made all that up, because what I was eluding to and can be verified, is that; whenever you referred to this matter, and in particular, when referring to the male (not Christian Porter) you always referred to him as "The Rapist in the ranks"!
If your version of rapist differs from that of society, please elaborate next time so those of us who speak English can understand what you are attempting to say.
I'll say it again, there was NO RAPE!
And that's not my opinion, it is in the description of the incident.
Are we clear now?

Pauliar isn't concerned with facts.

That the "accusation" is a rambling work of fiction of something from 33 years ago by a mentally unstable woman who never laid charges and killed herself after being pressured by Wong and SHY.

The questions should be how much influence Wong and SHY had in the death of the woman? Or why are the greens covering up their two high-level members that were convicted of paedophilia? Or why Bill Shorten with far more evidence against him is given a free pass?

The answer is in the left whinge lies, hypocrisy and cover-ups.

shifty & shady minister,

I just saw on TV that Linda Reynolds apparently, in front of witnesses, called Brittany Higgins a "lying cow".

You're a manager, is this how people like you talk to your staff when they bring a complaint to you?

And be careful how you reply because as we all know apparently 'No Means Yes' according to the law.

Or do you just pack your bags, book into a hospital, and tell everyone you're taking leaving and cannot answer any questions?

This is not exactly what I call a good look:

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/embattled-defence-minister-under-pressure/ar-BB1ecS5D

What the hell is going on in Parliament House!

Does the buck stop with Soot on this?

I think at least one head has to roll.

Mr Uneducated,

I understand that you are intellectually challenged and uneducated, but this was not said in Ms Higgins presence so your question is purest bollocks and displays your stupidity.

shifty & shady,

My understanding is that the news report said that Reynolds called her a "lying cow" to her face in front of other people.

shifty & shady,

You're correct in saying the news article did not say Reynolds did called Higgins a lying cow to her face and that she only called Higgins a lying cow in front of other people.

Or are you saying that she did not call Higgins a lying cow at all?

Be careful because Yes means No - as any judge will tell you especially when rape is involved.

This thread is well past its use by date with nothing left but insults.

How about a thought for boys and young men these days who have to sort out the good and decent girls and women from the increasing number of lesbians and man-hating, vicious fantasists looking for attention and monetary compensation. I think about them, and thank my lucky stars that I was born in a saner period of history, and am still with the same woman I met 54 years ago.

Or is that No means Yes?

All very confusing. I suppose one really needs to be a lawyer to work it out.

Mr uneducated,

I don't believe that you ever went to university. Your crass lying and boarish commentary is more typical of someone that never completed year 12.

I think you mean 'boorish', not "boarish", SM. You need to be careful if you wish to discuss other people's education.

How pathetic it was to watch Porter crying for his career on national television as it disintegrated before his very eyes. The crying seemed to be a contrived act. Someone who was touted as a future Liberal Prime Minister, showed himself to be a snivelling cry-baby. I suspect, given all the circumstances Porter will survive this but with his political career in taters. The first untruth from Porter, "I was never contacted by the media about these allegations" Oh yes you were, a half dozen jurnos have said so. Poetic justice as it is Porter who is leading the Liberal charge, trying to trash the jobs of millions of working Australians through draconian industrial legislation. Carried around a bag of his own vomit, pathetic behaviour!

In order; ttbn you have never gotten over the fact you were duped by a bunch of political shysters. The Greens have 10 representatives in the Federal parliament how many does your mob? None!

ALTRAV the all knowing, all seeing Alti, you wouldn't have a clue as to the truth in these matters. In your simple misogynistic mind women are simply on this planet for the perverted pleasure of males. You would not be the first bloke to think that way and act accordingly.

Shonkyminister, can't tell the truth so you have to make it up. Wong and SHY had nothing to do with the poor woman's death, something than happened long before they were involved in the matter. Another lie; "two high-level members (Greens) that were convicted of paedophilia" Your favourite topic, paedophile, no not true you are making it up, provide the evidence high level and such a crime. BTW I see one of your posts has disappeared, I wonder why. Mention the word CORRUPTION in NSW, and someone will say LIBERAL PARTY. Hot on the heels of SA., the Corruption watchdog opened an enquiry into a Liberal Minister in NSW, and within an hour Sports Minister John Sidoti resigns. Is that an admission of guilt or what. Maybe Sidoti can get a job with the Morrison government as the Sport Rorts Minister.

ttbn, has picked you up there shonkyminister, My forum buddy Mr O would never dream of misspelling boorish.

In response to ttbn's boys comment.

The head of Australia's War Machine, General Dumbcluck, has confined the gals to barracks. Seems the General thinks the gals would be to easy a target for the lads especially if their bazooka's should be on parade. And you never know, the gals might disarm the lads and have their way with them in the foxhole. These conservatives just don't get it, I can't be bothered telling them the facts. Lads, its 2021, not 1951, stop with the Rip Van Winkle act.

Paul,

Boarish means boar-like or like a swine. It wasn't a mistake, so all you have done is expose your own ignorance. I use both, this version is slightly more insulting. Mr uneducated was more than just crude he was being a total swine.

Still no comments on the paedophiles in the Greens? Or why the silence on the alleged rapist Shorten?

Wong and SHY were involved with the demented woman trying to get her to file a complaint with the police before she killed herself. To claim that there are no questions they need to answer is clearly false.

shifty & shady minister,

You are spot on if you are implying that I am not on your level.

So you reckon Linda Reynolds did not call Higgins a 'lying cow'.

Hell's bells, SM. That excuse is worse than claiming it was a typo :)

ttbn,

Next time check a dictionary before you cock it up again.

shifty & shady,

Have a look at this breaking news:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-56275063

Looks to me that Soot is admitting that it is true that Reynolds called Higgins a lying cow.

These are your people shifty & shady. Doesn't make you look good. But then I guess you're used to it.

MR O, thanks for the link, Linda Reynolds looks like a vey sad Alvin The Chipmunk in that article. How did she get into parliament? That's right people like SM voted for her. Yep, the nasty Linda did call Ms Higgins a "LYING COW", claims she's full of compassion and understanding. I think she's just full of it, full stop.

What about that pathetic excuse for calling you a "boarish" person. I think its a word Borat made up and shonkyminister used it. Then he tried to cover up with the worlds most ridiculous dumb excuse ever. Even ttbn though it was too much.

Paul, you are typical of the left.
You believe if you keep telling the same lies, over and over again, eventually people will believe you.
Is that your M.O.?
I wish you would stop twisting and bending the truth to suite your agenda.
Comments like "rapist".
Porter did NOT rape anyone, it was consensual, she was up for sex.
Are you getting this?
Or are you going to keep busting chops and just annoying everyone with your droll, continual, persistent lies and mis-information.
As for being called a lying cow, that sounds pretty reasonable to me.
Because she was NOT RAPED!
As for your description of me; Thank you!
You've done me proud, and I am pleased to see you have finally captured the essence of the female and her purpose in life.
Good for you, keep it up.

We all try to teach our kids to be truthful, but when a minister of the government does, Paul & his mates don't like it.

SM,

You are the one who stuffed up. There is a word, 'boarish' - not in common use - but it means 'coarse', 'cruel or 'sensual', none of which fit Mr. Opinion. You will look really silly if you expect anyone to believe that's what you mean.

There is another homonym of boor and boar which rather suits you, and that is 'bore' . You do go on, rather, old chap.

On a more important manner, Morrison is rightly resisting the call for the old 'independent enquiry' lark and sticking with the rule of law, not the media and the mob. The worry is that he will back down. A weak man, with no real beliefs is our PM.

ttbn,

Still fighting a retreat? Coarse, crude and swinish is exactly what I meant.

Now you are just looking silly.

Pauliar,

See, even ttbn can use a dictionary to improve himself, perhaps you can try to alleviate your illiteracy.

PS. you have still failed to address the green paedophiles.

ttbn,

shifty & shady minister's comments are water off a duck's back.

What he doesn't like is that I can see through the emperor's new clothes and call things out for what they really are.

I don't think there would be too many people who have been watching the Canberra soap opera unfold who don't believe that Linda Reynolds has fallen off the wall and like Humpty Dumpty cannot be put back together.

I think Christian Porter might want to start (re)thinking about his real career prospects in Parliament.

Ask Jen. Where's Jen? Has anybody seen Jen? Jen will know. After all, isn't she now Parliament's goddess of wisdom and knowledge: 'O great Pythia, what thou sayeth Jen?"

Mr Uneducated,

I'm glad that you have come to terms with your condition.

As for your x-ray vision, I would suggest that they are LSD tainted.

Porter ended his political career out on that podium.
If he had have come out hard and stern he might've saved it.
But he came out all crying and mealy-mouthed and that's not leadership qualities.
Having a staffer drop charges against you and kill herself the next day isn't a good look, no matter what the truth is.
Now he looks like a government liability.

AC,

I agree. His recently divorced status doesn't help, either.

The rumour around the traps is that he will not be back. The employment opportunities for him will be few and far between now that his reputation has been ruined by a very sick female (confirmed publicly by her family) and the dogs of the media.

He will need money, and one course open to him is to sue the ABC who trashed his life without bothering to speak to him first.

As for the increasingly weak Morrison government, there is a bit of poetic justice in this affair.

The Morrison government has been "hoist with its own petard". They did not utter a word before or during, or after for that matter, the disgraceful trial by media and the mob of an innocent man, George Pell. One would have thought that Porter himself, as the top 'lawman' in the country would have had something to say. Like Porter's situation, there was no evidence to come close to the standard of the balance of possibilities.

Also, with the Justice Hayden affair. The PM and AG Porter SAID NOTHING.

I'll never forget the day Andrew Forrest walked his Chinese mate into Greg Hunt's press conference and got his mate who was obviously a mouthpiece for the CCP up on the podium in front of Hunt to deliver a message from Xi.

That, now Reynolds and Porter, is the sort of ammunition the potato head guy needs to shove Soot out of the PM's office.

But if we want to know what will happen we need to ask Jen. We mere humans can only guess.

I'm baffled and should not be surprised at the level of vitriol and negative accusations and fait-accompli that is being expressed and promoted, both here and in the press, about Porters career being over. Far from it.
Sure he was far from forceful in his explanation to the media, but that does not change anything, other than to show how weak he really is and allowed himself to be "owned" by a virtue shaming, glory seeking media.
If I know I'm innocent of something, you guys know me well enough by now, I'll come out fighting, and shove all these gutless media scum back in the hole they reside in, not give in and take the "I'm sorry" line.
There was nothing to be sorry about.
It simply confirms how stupid, gullible, naïve and nasty the Aussies can be.
Add to that lazy and gutless.
You left leaning, lock-jaw-yokels are a useless lot, lacking in maturity and anything resembling intellect.
The part that annoys me as much as anything is, when you are found to be wrong, which is pretty much all the time, none of you come forward and appologise or admit to having got it wrong, AGAIN!
I suppose that makes sense, because otherwise the forums and the like would be full of the left appologising, and little or no room for anyone else, to engage in real and meaningful conversations.

ALTRAV,

Looks like you might be happier living in China where the State can control what one hears and sees and people are not allowed to express themselves without Big Brother giving approval.

I think that unless they hold an inquiry the suspicion will never go away and it will be a constant cloud hanging over Porter's head unless it can be proven that he did nothing wrong.

Otherwise people will always be asking questions. It's up to the powers to be to make a decision. They can either put it to rest or let Porter live under a cloud of suspicion.

What does Porter want done?

Porter was weak alright, because he was using the good old victim ploy. Everyone loves a victim. But, and its a big but, you have to be a Leftist female, preferably with a liking for other females to get sympathy.

I do not believe that Porter is guilty of anything; but I agree with ALTRAV about his pathetic performance. He has done more damage to himself than the baying mob has. Australian politicians are big boobies these days.

Mr Opinion, I think YOU are over-thinking this whole stupid circus, that is media at it's worst.
As far as being watched and having your language critiqued and you being stopped from saying what you want, in a free and frank discussion, look no further than this forth rate discriminatory piece of journalistic farce, the very thing we are interacting on, OLO!
You don't have to go to China to be prejudiced and scrutinised to the point of it being no different than in China.
Why don't you try it and try to speak in the Australian "speak", see how far you get.
I do not trust the judiciary as it is too politically driven, so taking OLO to court or to task would prove futile, and this they know, that's why they rule with such arrogance and total intolerance and dis-respect of the Australian narrative and our way of speaking or communicating.
As for the Porter thing you elude to, I honestly feel it is not relevant enough to warrant the amount of attention it is receiving.
It is, plain and simple, a political stunt as the liberals numbers are precariously dangerous at present and only a Labour fool will take advantage of a non-starter like this to see the Libs lose control of the senate or wherever the heck the numbers are currently balanced.
So it is the media, who by now you should have realised are very bias to the left, so cannot be trusted or relied upon to report the news, but unfortunately they have taken it upon themselves to CREATE the news!
So when things are slow, they latch onto something and ride it to death, but only IF it favours the left, and threatens the right.

Hey ALTRAV,

Let it be said that I don't know what the truth is, I wasn't there.
And I try to refrain from taking sides when I don't know.
- It's easier for me to just say 'I don't know'.

Now maybe it's just me, right.

But if he had have come out hard and stern.
Maybe raised his voice and pointed his finger a bit you know.
Slammed his fists down on the podium.

And said "I don't want to slander the dead, but I'm not going to have my political career ruined by lies"...

Maybe then he'd still look like some kind of a leader.

You said quote 'show how weak he really is'
- And that's the problem.

Doesn't matter whether he's guilty or not.
He's not leadership material, and he's not on top of things right now, that's for sure.
He's a problem for the government now.

I wonder if Scomo's position was we're not going to force you out as that will make you look guilty.
But he has to force him out now I think, because Porter did something worse, and made himself look incompetent

Hi ALTRAV,

How do you reconcile your two beliefs, one, that there is no such thing as rape, and two, all politicians are liars. In the Porter case both can't be true. The now deceased women claims Porter raped her as a sixteen year old, which is an impossibility under your belief system. Porter on the other hand claims no such event took place, but as a pathological lying politician the opposite is true.

Just on the point of rape, when you scream "THERE WAS NO RAPE" is that because you believe rape is always an impossibility, like "no" means "yes" from a woman, and woman simply want sex under all circumstances etc. On the other hand you might only be referring to certain instances, like those involving hard right politicians. Oh great fountain of knowledge please give us you words of wisdom on this vexing topic of rape, explain your belief to us, oh great one.

Paul1405,

We should all take time out to think about how all this has impacted on Soot and Jen.

They didn't sign up for all this rape and violence stuff.

All they wanted to do was watch football, put out bushfires, and shake hands with the people of Cobargo.

They didn't even know anything had happened until after it had happened.

So I think Soot and Jen would say "Let's just forget all this nonsense about rape and violence and let's all just move on."

Has anybody asked Tony Abbott about all this rape and violence stuff?

Now look what's back on the board:

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/the-questions-left-unanswered-by-gladys-berejiklians-budget-estimates-appearance/ar-BB1ehNPA

This is just becoming an absolute joke!

Maybe we should get rid of rule by modern democracy and go back to having an hereditary monarch run the show because all we seem to have ended up with is a bunch of politicians who want to wield autocratic power and authority.

Our democratic political system is as dodgy as our home building industry system.

Mr O,

I do believe Gladys and Daryl carried off the Eddie Obeid Memorial Trophy for the third year running, best double act before the ICAC. Their song and dance routine was spectacular. Johnny Sidoti was left in a poor second place with a solo performance of The Five Dock Double Shuffle.

Paul, again with the "make it up as you go along".
Your going to have to refresh my memory about me saying there is no such thing as rape.
Based on my beliefs, I have always said that for it to be "rape", there needs to be a physical attack, whereby the woman is subdued and then taken advantage of.
To make sure you and every other wall flower out there don't get it wrong, I'll come at it from another angle, more relative to this case.
A female gets pissed, because she's as good as any man and can devour ten middies in a single round.
She's feeling horny, because she is an emancipated female and can do what she wants.
She decides at some point, she wants sex.
When the act is done she collapses into a drunk induced sleep, in the bosses office, where I believe the little "love-in" took place.
He in the meantime has gathered himself up and moved on, home I presume, but not relevant.
She get's sprung the next morning and quickly gathers up her clothes and belongings and scarpers.
Many, many, many moons later, because it turns out she is mentally and emotionally disturbed, through some epiphany, decides to ruin a man, his family and anyone she can because she happened to realise that she was a slut and didn't like what she was, which then obviously led to her taking her own life.
This whole debacle is so cliché and so typical of maggots today.
And you want to blame men for this type of behaviour?
Paul when the females decide they have had enough of whatever the hell it is they are trying to do, and go back to being women again, you know those wonderful people we all used to love and admire and worship even, the sooner society will be in balance again and all will be in harmony once more.
Now if she had IMMEDIATELY latched onto the first person that she came across the next morning.
Maybe?
But I doubt it.
THIS WAS ABSOLUTELY "NOT RAPE"!

Alti,

You seem to be creating one person out of two. You began with something which one would assume to be loosely related to Brittany Higgins, what you refer to as the "emancipated female" and a load of supposition. You then go on "to her taking her own life", which seems to relate to the girl who was 16 years old at the time, and claimed she was raped by Christian Porter. Like your fictitious argument, you take it upon yourself to created a fictitious female character.

A look at Christian Porter, the white man born to rule. In his own words Porter claims to have “smut [my] way through law school”. By all accounts, a real piece of work. But the drinking and carry on didn't prevent Porter from being the golden boy of the WA Liberal Party. Porter was a finalist in Cleo Magazine’s bachelor of the year. According to Kathleen Foley, a barrister who knew Porter from his university days said on Four Corners “I’ve known him to be someone who was in my opinion, and based on what I saw, deeply sexist and actually misogynist in his treatment of women, in the way that he spoke about women,” The four Corners episode painted a very different picture of the touted future prime minister — one where Porter looked like a "frat boy" who didn’t know when the party was over. Porter's wild reputation still pervades the bars and night clubs where Canberra's political class congregate.

"But the stench of this week means you will probably never be prime minister. Those questions, so rarely asked of men like you, will now always hang over your career. Perhaps that, in itself, will be your lasting achievement."

Paul, if you had a grip on reality and not some bias view of your reality, your comments might mean something.
I don't care what HE did, because what HE did was quite normal for the time.
I don't even care what some bias maggot had to say about HIM, because she was obviously no better.
You can denigrate the man as much as you like, again, "I" don't care.
I only care about the truth and nothing but the truth.
You seem to relish in that "he said, she said", world.
Boy, you must be bored if you can waste time on something as pathetic as a couple having sex.
I think you need to subscribe to a new porn site, if this is what you get off on.
Paul, give it up, I'm only commenting because you keep responding, and the topics on OLO have for some months declined sharply in value and relevance, and this is a prime example.
Tell you what, if you stop writing the rubbish you continue to write, I'll have no reason to waste MY time correcting you, and hopefully, someone will post a decent topic or two, otherwise I'm going to have to go into self exile and settle for my other forums instead.
So stop re-writing the stories to suite your bias agenda, and accept the uncomfortable and inconvenient truth, for a change.
Your version of events are so bias and twisted against the truth, that it's hard to take you seriously any more.
I think we keep responding to your fantasies simply because we don't want people to think we agree with your twisted logic and bent view of the world.

Why is it when the likes of Barilano, Reynolds and Porter find themselves in hot water they get a sore head and have to book into a health unit?

"Giovanni! Giovanni! Dove andare?"

"Si, si . . . . I a gotta a sore a brain and a donna wanta answer any mora questions . . . . Scusi scusi I gotta go to da ospedale. Ciao! Ciao!"

I know Porter is stating that he did not rape the claimant.

But, is he also stating that he he not have sexual intercourse with the claimant?

I haven't seen him stating the latter.

Does anyone know if he did have sexual intercourse with the claimant?

Alti,

As an admitted misogynistic male, you have taken the classic anti female line with Brittany Higgins of blaming the victim, like Linda Reynolds and her "lying cow" outburst. You base your opinions on media snippets and self proclaimed anti feminine bias. There is no dispute that sexual intercourse took place in minister Reynold's office one night in 2019 between Ms Higgins, and as yet unidentified male co-worker. Unlike you I make no assumptions about the male in question as to his guilt or innocence. As a defence I would assume he will use the line that the sex was consensual on her part. At the end of the day guilt or innocence will be determined by the efforts of the police and courts.

What I started this thread about back on 20th February was with a belief that the Liberal Party have problems with women, the last two weeks have certainly borne that out. Not just the very serious problems of in house rape, or historical rape, and its handling of such allegation, but the parties general negative attitude towards women. The old male dominated conservative party lacks empery for women, tolerates misogyny at the highest levels, tolerates bullying, victim shaming, inequality gender bias, all classic male chauvinistic nonsense from the last century. Voters, particularly females have a clear choice on women's rights, a choice between the retrograde conservative and hard right parties, and the moderate progressive parties who are way ahead when it comes to the recognition of the equality and rights of women.

Pauliar and Mr odious,

I think that it is becoming clear that the supposed rape by CP is the purest fantasy. That the young lady in question happily spent the day with CP after what was supposedly a terrible incident blows her claims away. She was clearly mentally deranged and the interference from SHY and Wong was instrumental in pushing her in committing suicide.

P.S. On the Greens, having at least two paedophiles in their ranks justifies an enquiry.

Green member 1405 should just admit that he identifies as a woman. It's all the rage these days. Nothing to be ashamed of, and more chance of being "believed".

Paul, you for as long as you have been on OLO, demonstrated yourself as a traitor as a man.
You have continually promoted the female and her baseless causes, in direct conflict with the male of the species.
Females need help, badly, they have been so hugely mis-directed and led up the proverbial garden path, that they have lost their way.
People (males) like you are not helping them or their journey to finding their way back.
The fact that you ignorantly believe in equality of the sexes only demonstrates your lack of knowledge and reasoning on reality.
What you call progressive, in this case is regressive.
If you can't see that the selfishness of the females to stubbornly attempt to become men, as one of the greatest social failures in history, then you truly are not aware of your surroundings and what is happening.
Your attitude is so short sighted, it would qualify you as being blind.
By your continual promotion of these females, you are instrumental in the continual increase in the ascension of the dysfunctional family problem we have been facing, with staggering numbers for years now.
It is people like you who refuse to grow some stones and regain control of society instead of facilitating such derailments as the female causes.
I don't think you realise but, females were the cause of all our woe's, if you happen to recall the story of Adam and Eve, it goes back to where and how it all started.
Eve stuffed it all up, for all of us.
But on a more serious note, I once heard some maggot blabbering on in defense of something she argued, that maggots had fought long and hard to get to where they were today and whatever it was about was going to take them back to a time before they won their new found status.
I responded, in disbelief and disgust, that if you had to fight tooth and nail to get where you are today, then it meant that you were NOT meant to have achieved whatever you were after.

shifty & shady minister,

Maybe he can take a police polygraph test to find out if he had sexual intercouse with the claimant.

Mr uneducated,

"The ABC reported on a letter detailing the allegations against Porter sent by anonymous friends. The lesser known part of the letter is that the parents of the woman “worried that she may have confected or embellished the allegations due to her mental illness”. She withdrew her police complaint before she died."

Which in layman's terms is pretty much a confession by the "alleged" victim that part or all of the accusation was fabricated.

The confession is by the parents that the rape claim was probably fabricated.

P.S. The PM has indicated that any investigation into claims of rape will include other MPs such as Bill Shorten. Will it include Wong and SHY too?

shifty & shady minister,

You are trying to avoid my comment.

I asked if Porter had sexual intercourse with the claimant and would be willing to undergo a polygraph test.

I just found this on the news:

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/sexual-assault-counsellor-says-christian-porters-accuser-told-her-of-alleged-rape-eight-years-ago/ar-BB1el9js?li=AAgfYrC

Looks to me like the claimant truly believed she had been raped.

Why would she lie?

Because she was a mental case!
Or do I have it wrong?
And what about this memory recall BS?
It has been critcised by the psychiatric community as being a flawed theory, and absolutely NOT accepted or recognised as a recommended form of medical treatment.
So therefore, UNWORTHY of relevance.

I'm curious as to why the claimant would have lied.

Why would she make up a story about something that just did not happen?

It just doesn't make sense to me. I think there's something not right.

Did she just imagine it happened? After all it was a long time ago and her memory of what happened or didn't happen must have been very poor after 32 years.

The only person who now knows what happened or didn't happen is Porter.

Unless of course there is a third person who has firsthand knowledge of what happened or didn't happen.

Mr O, the story and events as presented so far, paint a picture of a very disturbed person, (female).
If one is not fully cognisant and in complete control of their faculties, it is safe to treat them with reservations about anything they say or contend as their views and interactions of past events cannot be taken with complete assurance and confidence, thereby leaving great chasms of doubt and questions, but over-all, doubt.
And if in doubt, one cannot/must not, take anything from these people as the gospel, and un-adulterated, truth.
Even if she hadn't died, under the current circumstances and disclosed information, I would have to believe Porter.

Mr uneducated,

I think that it is clear that CP didn't shag the woman, and perhaps you should ask whether Bill Shorten is willing to take a polygraph.

ALTRAV and shifty & shady minister,

Looks like both of you believe that the claimant fits the 'lying cow' category coined by Linda Reynolds.

ALTRAV, you base your premise on your belief that people with mental health issues do not tell the truth. What if her mental health problem was caused by her rape?

shifty & shady minister, you just do not want to accept that someone of your class and political persuasion would commit rape (or should even be held accountable for it.) You believe that people like yourself are incapable of such an act. Remember, you are an injunear - a profession in which women only account for 10% of its members. Your position is chauvinistic bordering on misogynistic.

I think there will be a cloud hanging over Porter's head unless it can be proven that the claimant lied about being raped.

And I ask again: Why would she have lied about being raped?

To me, there is something that just doesn't make sense. This story fits a historical puzzle with lots of pieces still to be found for us to understand what happened or what didn't happen.

Brushing the matter aside on the grounds that mental health sufferers are incapable of telling the truth or that patriarchal dogma should be accepted whereby women are to be seen as Reynoldian 'lying cows' just does not cut the mustard for me.

Mr O, well all I know about mustard is that like ALL things in life, there are good and bad mustard.
People are no different.
If you want to put your mind at ease, simply go back over the info that has been disclosed so far.
From the accounts of the female in question through to her parents, who claim she was prone to making things up, or words and actions to that effect.
Then we also come back to the time line.
I don't buy this memory trauma jargon.
If you have been raped, there will be some visible signs, irrespective of whether you are embarrassed about your behaviour or not, which will be noticed by others.
This too did not arise.
So given that Reynolds knew her well enough to make a judgement call about her accusation, that too is another odd thing to add to the mix.
All in all, when you piece it all together, it becomes clear that there was NOT what "I" call rape anyway.
If people want to throw the virtuous line around and try on the virtue signaling angle, that's their business, but that's ALL it is, THEIR business or more precisely, their opinion.
And as we all know, opinions are worthless as they are mainly speculations, driven by pre-conceived bias and agenda or beliefs or judgements that fall short of absolute conviction.
No it's simply another case of trial by media, and there-in lies the biggest hint of Porters innocence.
If the media had just kept out of it or at least treated it with the irrelevance it is, I would have leaned against his innocence, but the media have put the last straw in his being innocent, by pushing this so hard, and that in doing so, and knowing the media is very much left leaning, there is nothing they would relish more than boasting about them bringing the govt down.
They would do this by persecuting yet another Liberal so as to coerce them into resigning, thereby weakening the Libs and forcing an election.

ALTRAV,

Did you see this:

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/julie-bishop-surprised-neither-scott-morrison-nor-christian-porter-read-anonymous-letter-detailing-historical-rape-allegation-denied-by-porter/ar-BB1emmK5

You said above that "opinions are worthless as they are mainly speculations, driven by pre-conceived bias and agenda or beliefs or judgements that fall short of absolute conviction."

I totally disagree because an opinion is based on what a person knows and who a person is and consequently some opinions are worth more than others because there is a hierarchy of knowledge. There are some at the top and some at the bottom and everybody else is in between.

Where do you place yourself? At the top or at the bottom or somewhere in between?

Mr O, can't sleep also, HUH?
In response to your comments, the definition of the word "opinion" is not mine but that of the dictionary.
As for Bishop or ANY politician for that matter, you must know by now that EVERYTHING they say is agenda driven.
I care absolutely NOT what Bishop or Scomo have to say about anything.
They have all lied to me over the years and deserve nothing but scorn and rejection, so I urge everyone to take whatever they say, about EVERYTHING and look into it, and you will find the truth about what is really behind the announcement.
It NEVER has anything to do with the truth or benefitting the Australian public.

Mr Uneducated,

Not coming from your class where rape is frequent, I lack your understanding and acceptance of rapists paedophiles etc.

As an engineer, I understand statistics, you, as an art ignoramus clearly don't. Nursing is 95% women, are these nurses chauvinists or do women simply prefer medicine to engineering. Or did you fail at engineering because you are gender confused? Do you prefer flipping burgers?

The doubt as to CP's innocence exists only amongst left whingers who firmly believe that Shorten's accuser is lying.

ALTRAV,

Good to see we agree on something because as you would be aware I have a very low opinion of politicians in general.

I think they are dishonest and untrustworthy and I think their actions prove me correct.

shifty & shady,

You have spelled 'injunear' incorrectly.

Now, stay behind after work and write 500 times 'injunear'.

And don't do it again!

ALTRAV

This doesn't help:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-10/malcom-turnbull-christian-porter-denials-q+a-four-corners/12864992

I can't understand how some on here would bother defending Porter, a politician with a dubious reputation, a minister now claiming some kind of mental illness requiring stress leave, might be banged up in the hospital next to the lovely Linda. Porter was devoiced from his first wife Lucy in 2008 after a short marriage. Porter's and second wife Jennifer had two children, Jennifer separated from Porter in 2020. In November 2020, it was alleged on Four Corners that, although married, Porter had kissed and cuddled a colleague's political staffer in a public setting. Porter denied the allegation. with the wife in Perth and Porter in Canberra and given his reputation its easy to see why his wives departed.

ALTI, Shonky how did you pair celebrate International Women's Day?

Watched Treasurer Friedbrain, waffling on this morning on the telly, saying there is a "woman problem" within the federal parliament. I remind Friedbrain, Joyce, Tudge, Reynolds and Porter are all members of the Coalition and as I said; "Women a Liberal Party Problem." is the real problem in Canberra, and the conservatives should stop trying to drag the progressives down into the mud with them.

Mr Uneducated,

Stop acting like a childish Fwit. The only thing that you have achieved by doing arts degrees is to expand your field of incompetence.

Pauliar,

The keyword in just about every sentence is "alleged" mostly because there is no evidence to any of your claims.

If I accuse you of paedophilia in the 1980s then you are an "alleged" paedophile and by your logic, you will remain so until you prove conclusively that you never buggered a child.

Porter's reputation is fine, only besmirched by bullsh1t concocted by the left whingers.

Paul1405,

Just in case Porter decides to take permanent forever never-to-come-back sick leave I've hunted around the web and found a possible candidate for Soot to have as his Attorney General.

What do you think of this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBe_guezGGc

He ticks all the boxes and is honest and truthful.

The Federal Liberals have been at it again. A Morrison government staffer has been forced to resign after abusing Tasmanian Greens leader Cassy O'Çonnor.

From ABC News;

"Greens leader Cassy O'Connor on Wednesday evening used parliamentary privilege to describe Liberal staffer Andrew Hudgson as a "sexist pig. The Liberal staffer called O'Connor a "meth-head cxxx"

"Mr Hudgson had been employed as a media adviser to federal Assistant Treasurer and Housing Minister Michael Sukkar.

But a government spokesman says he was asked to resign from the role, shortly after Ms O'Connor made her statement.

Ms O'Connor told Tasmanian Parliament that Mr Hudgson had been "protected by the Liberal Party, state and federal".

Hudgson had also worked for former Victorian Liberal premier Denis Napthine and federal Cabinet minister Michaelia Cash when she was employment minister and minister for women."

A whitewash investigation into the complaint was conducted by the Tasmanian Liberal government.

Hudgson didn't know Ms O'Connor, but took it upon himself to yell this disgusting abuse in a public place, across the parliamentary lawns. Several people, presumably Liberals, in the company of Hudgson heard the abuse but said, or did nothing.

There are allegations that the Federal Liberal Party has been protecting Hudgson by moving him around various government parliamentarians.

MORRISON needs to fess up as to the systemic problem the LIBERAL PARTY has with women!

Paul, it is YOU who has a bucket load of problems.
Who made you judge and jury of all things feminine, amongst a myriad of other things you know NOTHING about.
Is this what OLO interprets as "OPINIONS"?
You know you're talking hog-wash, because I believe it was you who kept flapping on about women's rights and how they are as good as any man, or that they are as capable as any man.
Well that being the case, how about them demonstrating this masculine equality and when they are faced with a verbal slur or criticism, simply shrug it off with a look of irrelevance to the comment, instead of going crying to some wimpy wacker who is just as much a child as they are, for support and vindication.
What? suddenly they are NOT as good (and resilient) as a man?
You need to throw away your old book of naïve and childish beliefs, and start looking at the real world around you, not the dream and fantasy world you and certain others live in.
It is a fact that preaching untruths and unrealistic ideologies, lead to the wrong conclusions and outcomes, as we are witnessing every day now.
Why you and your ilk would want or wish such disastrous ends to the family unit, as we are seeing more and more today, is beyond the realms of common sense, and must be stopped at every opportunity.
So STOP!
It's as easy as that!

As stated in the Australian

"Right now, the penny must be dropping for Louise Milligan and the ABC about what is at stake in the defamation proceedings that have been launched by Attorney-General Christian Porter.

The big issue is not whether the national broadcaster will lose; that’s almost a given. It’s how badly it loses, how much material comes to light in court and whether the Federal Court will declare that the national broadcaster and one of its most famous journalists were motivated by malice."

SM, as a further example of the female and their in-ability to be pragmatic, and non partisan, or independent in positions of public neutrality and respect, I ask WHO/WHAT is in charge of the ABC?
I'm not sure, but, was it not a female appointed to that high and mighty exalted position of running the ABC?
No-one wants to acknowledge the elephant in the room, for fear of being driven out of favour.
Well not me.
I have always said I will not shy away from the truth simply because it embarrasses the pansies amongst us.
Now every time someone belches in parliament or any high profile institution, everyone's up in arms to sack the head of that institution or company, such as the current Porter farcical.
So then, it should follow that who-ever is running the ABC, should get the flick.
Thereby showing that there is no bias or leaning towards one group and not the others.
I'm not sure, but was it Ida Butt-nose?
Not sure about her name but that was roughly what I was told it was.
So the point is, who-ever it is, it further adds weight to the hypocrisy that the current herd of sheeple exude on a daily basis.
If the sheeple keep following the easy and more comfortable path, they will ultimately lose control of their own lives/futures and well being.
The first step to becoming mature, pragmatic and viable again, is to discard, and in fact, kill off this sick notion of Alice in Wonderland.
It is demeaning and only serves to be-little the people into a false sense of security.
It IS dangerous and a foolish path to follow.
So the moral is, toughen up pansies, men become men again and take the lead/control, and females become women again, and NOT pointless, continually failing to became male clones, which they will NEVER be

ALT,

If the ABC is shown to have acted with malice, all pretence of non-partisanship will be stripped away and they can be forced to reorganise to meet the requirements of the act.

Louise Milligan will personally be bankrupted, and the fwits that let her publish this partisan polemic will be up against the wall.

shonkyminister, sounds like you are blowing the same old trumpet you used when you claimed "An arrest is imminent" in the 'Beat Up' Bolt case, some years back. Despite your claims no arrest was ever forthcoming. Still pretending to be some kind of 'Legal Eagle' with your pontifications on the law. I wouldn't engage you to defend me against a jaywalking charge, unless of course I wanted to spend the next 20 years in jail.

See how Porter wants to be paid FULL TIME but work PART TIME, the taxpayer can support him while he chases the ABC. The same bloke who wants women to draw on their Supa, if they have any, to save themselves from domestic violence. Morrison should flick Porter now!

Pauliar,

Lying through your teeth like when you claim that I said "An arrest is imminent" but have completely failed to prove it.

As for my offering opinions on legal issues on this site, I have yet to be shown to be incorrect as while I have repeatedly stated that I'm not a lawyer, I have some legal training as part of my MBA and I can read neither of which apply to you.

As for defending you on jaywalking charges, I would definitely try to get you 20 years in a mental institution for the criminally stupid.

Regarding Christian Porter, an independent inquiry
commissioned by the Office of the PM should be the
way to go. I'm not sure why the PM is hesitating
about pursuing this course of action.

The PM knows the truth about this farcical, and as usual is trying to make it appear that he is concerned and doing something about it, but at the same time KNOWING that this is all a typical pansy and political "beat-up", which has NO footings or traction what-so-ever.
So he treads a fine line between appeasing the little jelly brained, wall flowers and THE TRUTH.
We all know enough about this rubbish story to know that if we remove the weaker and less informed, yet politically motivated, that this would not have even made gossip columns, let alone actual news.
I strongly suggest, that anyone seeking to find fault in this story, just stop and review the facts and information first, and not blindly follow equally ignorant sheeple with nothing better to do than pick fault in others lives.
As I said before, Porter now having instigated legal action/redress against the ABC for slander, defamation or whatever, should seek the resignation of the CEO of the ABC, as is expected of others, especially those in the political arena.
Now of course we suddenly expose another of MY pet hates, and that is of females in high office, and the ever increasing list of failures they are accruing.
The ABC is no different.
The ABC is just another victim of female incompetence, and it is now being confirmed by this legal action by Porter.
As for the stupid suggestion of an independent enquiry about such a nothing matter, only shows the level of mental instability of the people today.
Instead of accepting fault/blame, like children, the guilty parties, and their protagonists, will ALWAYS deflect and look for a scape-goat, instead of showing courage, maturity and simply accept whatever on the chin, and moving on.
Commissioning an independent enquiry?
Really?
What absolute pion even has the gall to even think it, let alone suggest it?

Regarding Christian Porter - the reality is that
unless there is some form of investigation questions
will continue.

As Mr Albanese noted - the Abbott government dragged
Julia Gillard before a royal commission over allegations
involving her relationship with a union official many years
before she entered Parliament.

"For a government that had an inquiry into a kitchen
renovation of a former Prime Minister long before she was
in Parliament I find it quite frankly incredible. Some of
the arguments that have been used by the government to
reject this proposition," he said.

" The PM does not have a tin ear - but a wall of
concrete. This is a moment that requires leadership."

It would also give Christian Porter an opportunity to clear
his name.

Foxy,

The issue is that there is no evidence against Porter except the delusional scribblings of a deeply bipolar woman who as the result of her psychosis killed herself after withdrawing her earlier complaint nor left behind any signed document. There is no medical or other circumstantial evidence only the hearsay of a few friends. The only witness is Porter.

No inquiry with any legal basis can accept the hearsay of her friends or her unsigned scribblings. The inquiry would last only minutes.

The defamation case is a legal trial at which Porter will testify and is the closest this will get to an independent inquiry.

Bill Shorten on the other hand has a live witness to testify who is not dead or psychotic.

Hi Shadow Minister,

I firmly believe that there needs to be a formal
independent investigation of the matter. Until that
time there will always be doubt hanging over Porter.
Christian Porter is not a politician. He's the
Attorney General, the Chief Law Officer of the
Commonwealth and a figure who in the eyes of the
public needs to be seen to be beyond reproach.

A woman has died. The least we can do is to investigate
her claims, and treat them and her with respect.

SM, it's amazing how stupid and immature some people can be.
The example given, in NO WAY is a precedent or even a close reference in anything which would be considered similar, and definitely NOT THE SAME as Porters case.
Further to that, the only people that Foxy refers to as "questions will continue", are as a direct result of people like Foxy, who has to stick her nose into every little thing, apparently to cause the very unjustified controversy, anxiety and emotional pains to the person in question, thereby making them the victim of the very attacks she herself creates.
The only way to treat this particular non-event is to shut up about it and let it settle back into the insignificance it always was, and still is.
The moral and ethical message here is; There is NOTHING to see here folks, move on!

WOW! Morrison, its time to stop the COVER UP, and FESS UP!

Morrison lies to parliament by claiming his Mr Fix-It, Phil Gaetjens, was carrying on with his enquiry into the "who knew what" in Morrisons office, concerning the alleged rape of Brittany Higgins. When Morrison was telling parliament the enquiry was "on going" he knew full well Gaetjens had stopped the investigation. Was Mr Fix-It uncovering too much?

Now its been revealed, although Morrison claimed a Liberal accused of raping Brittany Higgins was sacked for a "security breach", there was no security breach, it sounds like a Liberal cover up of an alleged rape!

Todays big news is another Liberal has been sacked for performing a sex act in a Liberal MP's office! But there's more Morrison will need to explain what's been going on in the parliament house "meditation" room, the Liberals gang of Four! The visits by sex workers and rent boys etc, please explain Mr Morrison. Seems when it comes to some there's a lot more going on in parliament house than liberal MP's debating the rights and wrongs of moral issues.

Rubbish!
"A woman has died", and?
NO she does not deserve anything other than condemnation for making the allegations and accusations in the first place and so too, do those of you who try stupidly to martyr her.
She was mentally off somewhere, and somewhere along her twisted mental journey she decided to demean a good man, for no good reason.
She was complicit in a consensual act, which she obviously had some mental moment about much later in life, and being mentally challenged she did one of the many things mentally disturbed people do, she killed herself.
Now what is there in all this that has anything to do with Porter, let alone people like Foxy continuing to make accusations of suspicions and questions surrounding this matter.
Even though she talks as if she is being neutral, it is her kind of rhetoric that destroys good people and their lives and worse still sends them to jail, as in trial by continual negative attacks and petulance and continual badgering, even lobbying those in power so as to fulfill their selfish degrading attitudes and ends.
The only thing to do in such a case, is nothing at all.
So I say to those ill-wishers and witch-hunters, leave well enough alone, and for God's sake, GET A LIFE!
Leave good people alone to get on with theirs!

The Morrison glove puppet Simon Birmingham has said this morning the whistleblower on the 'Liberal Gang of Four" should come out and give em' the names. What for, so the likes of Morrison can publicly praise them, whilst privately shaming them, like the Liberals have been doing with Brittany Higgins relatives. Michelle Landry Nationals MP has come out this morning making with the worm and fuzz stuff concerning the Young Liberal who masturbated on a female Liberals desk! He was a good worker, Oh! was he, seems so!

Paul, apparently you don't have a hobby, or a life for that matter.
I'm not sure why you are commenting and in doing so, trying to denigrate one of many young people out there, performing quite natural, normal and necessary acts that the boys/men have practiced since they became aware of their sexual needs and desires.
You are one confused puppy mate.
Why are you so concerned about what ANYONE, for that matter, does in parliament house, if whatever disgusting things they do makes them better at making decisions on our behalf and for OUR benefit, I and millions of others could care less.
BUT, as it turns out, all the sexual activities being practiced by the pollies and their staff, IS NOT helping them make better decisions at all.
So it appears that we are being taken for fools in believing the BS they spew, and then instead of attempting to do the right thing, they focus more on enjoyment and pleasure, including apparently, sexual.
So as far as I and millions of others are concerned they can bonk their brains out, as long as they do the job we hired them and pay them to do, which apparently is NOT the case.

Hi ALTI,

Sick puppy, well, since only you condone some jerk off Liberal masturbating on a Liberal woman's desk, I would think you would find it difficult getting one person, let alone millions, to agree with you on anything. Even the Forum Old Farts who were condemning women, whilst singing the praises of lecherous men have deserted you. Where are you boys, ALTRAV needs backup.

Reading your posts ALTI I've come to the concussion not only that you have been a male dominated by women, did your grandmother hit you over the head with her rolling-pin, was she a Big Mumma? But I also believe you were a sexually inadequate lad and in scientific parlance spent much time "jerking the gherkin". Can I ask, how was your boyhood relationship with your local Catholic priest? Did you spend much time with him sipping the altar wine? Why I ask is I may be able to recommend a good nut doctor who if he can't help you can relieve you of some dollars.

What about MORRISON, yesterday, after a bit of the me me boo-hoo stuff for Jen and the girls, even brought in his old mum into the discussion. Then he has the cheek to have a go at a reporter for asking if ScumO' had lost control of his staff. Saying I'll match your sexual harassment in my work place with a sex charge in your work place. The blokes not serious, and all he's doing is dodging political bullets.

It also looks like ScumO' is looking for a way to cut the 'Millstone' Porter off from around his neck. BTW has anyone seen Linda, missing in action!

The 'Usual Suspects' who defend their disgusting side of politics, have done a runner, BTW where is runner? Allegation after allegation against Liberal Party people are floating to the surface, like turds in a bucket. The latest allegation is a sitting NSW Liberal Party MP raped a woman in the Blue Mountains 18 months ago. Its not Gladdy's fella Daryl, he's too busy down at the ICAC trying to pull his head out of the noose!

Mayday, mayday, come in ALTI and shonkyminister your masterful defence is need once more! ScumO' tried but it fell apart like a sick joke!

Hi. Paul,

I saw a very emotional. PM. Giving His speech. The pressure. Is. On. The. Behaviour. Of. Some. In. Parliament. House. Needs. To. Be. Investigated. Things. Can. No. Longer. Be. Hidden. And. The. PM. Can,,t Just. Keep. On. Evading.

I. Apologise. For. My. Typos. My. Computer. Is. Down. And. I,m not. Used. To. This. iPad.

Hi Foxy,

Correction, its not a Liberal Party MP, it the Nationals MP Michael Johnsen who is under investigation by police for rape. Gee, for a second I though the Liberals were in trouble over a sex allegation.

Paul, I agree that YOU have demonstrated, loud and clear of YOU being part of the "disgusting side of politics" as YOU put it.
The reason I and those of like mind don't instigate any comments or conversation about such topics is because we choose to ignore filth and debauchery.
On the other hand, and at the other end of the spectrum is you and your lot, who reside in the gutter, thinking up new and unsavoury comments about things of little or no relevance or importance to normal, healthy mature adults.
Anywho, I have wasted enough of MY valuable time, by accommodating you and responding to your inane sense of reasoning and challenging me to comment, so I can let you carry on ranting off topic.
I think it might be wise for you to visit the very same medico you suggest for me as your compulsive, obsession about women and anything sexual is of concern to those of us with our feet firmly planted on the ground, and our minds open and aware of the world around us and it's machinations, good, bad and ugly.
The left are in the latter categories.
Was it you who continually, proudly and nauseatingly spew the non-existent virtues of the left?
Based on that alone, you have made yourself irrelevant, so anything you say, EVER, is MOOT!

Foxy, the God of words and comments, has noticed you being so tired and is throwing you a life-line, in the form of your computer failing.
He is sending you a message, and responding to our prayers.
He and some of us can clearly see, based on your flailing comments and structure, that you need a rest, to take a break, from all this commenting, plagiarizing and most of all, the patronising.
I can see it has taken it's toll on you.
So, seeing as how you have been thrown this life-line, I and many others here on OLO would be so very relieved (and thrilled) if you were to simply take a very long break away from the key-board, as it has taken it's toll on you, as is clearly noticeable in some of your postings of late.
So take your computer failure as sign, and please DO take that long awaited break.
It would be such a blessing if you took a long rest, a very long rest.
I am, of course, referring to us being the beneficiaries of that blessing.

IT'S NOT AN LNP CULTURE.

IT'S AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE.

Can anyone blame me when I tell people that I think politicians are dishonest and untrustworthy?

Well . . . . . . At least Soot believes Eric Abetz . . . . . And that's the main thing! . . . . . . . (For all that's worth!)

Ihello. Paul,

I. Came. Across an. Interesting. Article. On. The. Web.

A person. Asked. If. There. Was. A. Worrd. Or. Term. For. People. Who. Took. Opportunities. To. Insult. And. Berate. Other. People. Words. That. We’re. Suggested. We’re. Troll, bully, carper, disparaged, jerk, and. Much. Worse.

Some. People. Feel. The. Need. To. Be. Abusive. It. Makes. Them. Feel. Better. Or.

Perhaaps. They are. Trying. To. Make. You. Look. Bad. So. People. Will dislike. You.

In. Any. Case. Public. Forms do. Have. Rules. And. To. Keep. On. Berating. Someone. Consistentklt. Just. Does. Not. Wash. Perhaps. They. Need. To. Be. Reported. And. Banned?

Hi. Paul,

As. You. Can. See. The. iPad. Is. Not. As. Good. As. My. Computer.

I am. Sorry. For. All the errors. I. Trust. You. Can. Still. Make. Sense. Of. It. All.

Foxy, I completely agree.
The problem is that if the comments are a correct description and summary of the people you claim to be the recipients from those who "take opportunities to insult and berate other people", and a host of other descriptions of such people, then the charge is quite justified.
If you ever come across anyone who, after careful consideration and assessment of their accusatory comments, has wrongly described or in fact made incorrect comments about the party in question, I too would consider remedial action.
I have continually been aware of any breaches and have duly informed the guilty party of their error.
So rest easy, I have it all under control.
BTW, I have mentioned my setting up a pod-cast, it is in progress and will update as soon as/when it is up and running, and then release the site name.
So I'm sorry to say, I won't be able to be on troll watch as much as I have been, but I know you will always be there to remind everyone.

Hi ALTI,

I have to agree, when I brought up the degusting action of a LIBERAL masturbating on a LIBERAL woman's desk you though it was okay and natural, providing the LIBERAL wonker was doing his job, it was fine with you. Now you say; "we (ALTI) choose to ignore filth and debauchery." Yes you certainly do! Masturbating on a desk is okay, provided you don't get found out.

I hope I have never insulted you, like calling you the larva of a fly, one of your favorite expressions. I refer to you as Il Duce as a respectful title, you being of the Italian ancestry and out there like you are, naturally I see you as a leader aka "Il Duce".

Telling Foxy to "take a holiday" is a bit rich coming from you is it not? Considering you vowed to "never return" should your free speech be muzzled on the forum. Well, well well, it was with an obvious suspension and here we are you are bloody well back again. A man of his word, ha, ha.

Gee, as to your up coming "Podcast" add some video to it and it should be wonderful, I can hardly wait. Here's your Uncle Benito, doing what you could do; Its in Italian but I think he is talking about how good it is to masturbate on women's desks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfS8AulsYRk&ab_channel=EducationalVideoGroup

Paul, you have given me so many avenues to respond to, I am spoilt for choice, leaving me with a problem; which one to put down first.
Oh well, let's begin with the first fopar.
I do not EVER recall saying "I would never return, should my free speech be muzzled on the forum".
I'm afraid that's a wishful thought on your part.
As for "telling Foxy to have a holiday", well I thought I was being thoughtful and considerate, seeing as how she is CONTINUALLY on the keyboard, to the point of her writing and submissions presenting like OCD, which if not treated or attended too will manifest itself into any number of psychosis, to that end I feel it may be too late.
As for calling me a "maggot", you will not be the one to entertain such a thing, because it has to come from someone I respect and admire, before I will even acknowledge the words or it's intent if directed at me.
And besides, to clarify; In my use of the word, it describes a FEMALE, of the lowest forms of all things human.
As for your opening paragraph; you're at least right on that one.
It is and you are disgusting by discussing it with such vigor and making light of it.
My reference to what you seem fixated about was one of indifference; meaning, I could not care less what they do as long as they do what they're paid to do, well.
On that note, who suddenly appointed YOU the moral overseer at parliament house?
Now that we know your moonlighting as a keeper of the morals in parliament house, I have to say, you're doing a bang-up job, from what we are hearing from the media.
Well done, keep it up.
As for "Il Duce", now that one is a low blow, even for you.
That is probably more egregious a blow than anyone could possibly muster up, as Mussolini was the lowest of the low, and in politics I suppose he was revered, but I very much doubt that.

Pauliar,

I always find it interesting that you are fascinated with the lewd but consensual activities of liberal staffers, yet when senior Greens are convicted of possessing child porn and raping children you are terribly silent.

Perspective mate.

shonkyminister,

Nothing to say about a Senior LIBERAL adviser who was having sex with a desk. Was the sex consensual? What sort of advise was this bloke giving to the MORRISON Government? How to knock off flower pots. Why don't you come clean and admit the LIBERAL party is nothing more than a misogynistic party, where even many of the women members are misogynists. What about the LIBERAL MP accused of raping a woman in NSW, what about Abetz and his disgusting 'slut shaming' attitude to an alleged rape victim. What about MORRISON dragging in Jen and the girls, and now his dear old mother as well to make it look like he's the victim in all this. A party of cry babies! MORRISON'S false accusation against your mob at News Corp.

Well, ScumO' can't keep lying and will throw Porter and Reynolds under the bus very soon.

Pauliar,

Still, nothing to say on the PAEDOPHILE GREEN candidate who was keeping and sharing CHILD PORN or the GREEN PAEDOPHILE candidate that was RAPING CHILDREN overseas?

This may help

The. Symptoms of inner peace

AN. Unusual. Ability. To. Enjoy. Each. Moment.

A. Loss. Of. Interest in judging.

A. Loss. Of. Interest. In. Conflict.

Focus. On. The. Positive.

frequent. Overwhelming. Episodes. Of. Appreciation.

A. Loss of. Ability. To. Worry.

frequent. Attacks. Of. Smiling. Through. The. Heart.


Increasing. Susceptibility. To. Kindness

There. Is. Somuch toxicity at the moment on. The. News. But. I, Am. Sure. Our
PM. Will. Sort. It out.

My computer. Is still. Down. My. Apologies. Fort. The typos.

I think. That. At. The. Next. Election. The. Offending. MPs. Will be. Voted. Out. The
PM. Knows. That. And. Doing. A. Reshuffle. Of. His. Cabinet. Will help.

Finally, with eyes open (for a moment).
Welcome to the real world, at last.
Toxicity, you say.
"REALITY" is what you should say, because that's what it "REALLY" is.

Foxy,

You keep calling for an independent inquiry into Porter, I assume that you are happy for this to be extended to Shorten.

Also, given that there is absolutely no evidence against CP that can be submitted into such an inquiry, what is the point.

The defamation trial will force the ABC to produce everything it has got, and if on the balance of probability CP wins will you admit that the ABC got it wrong?

Hi. Shadow. Minister,

TThe. Shorten. Case. Has. Already. Been dealt. With. As. You. Well. Know. Just. As. was. The Julia Gillard. Case. By Tony. Abbott. Let’s. allow. Our. Current. PM. To. Sort.

Out. The. Porter. Matter.

Contd

I. Am. So. Over. Discussing. This. Toxic. Mess.

We. Have. A. Governmen. And. A. Cabinet. Who. Should. Be. Able
To. Sort things. Out.

shonkyminister, nice try at deflection, but its not relevant.

The conga line of offending LIBERALS continues. Jackass LIBERAL MP Andrew Laming has admitted in parliament he has been online trolling and harassing women. The next bombshell will concern what's been going on behind closed doors in the parliamentary 'meditation room' operated by Liberal staffers.

"A whistle-blower says the room is used for sex and alleges male and female sex workers have been brought into Parliament House for 'the pleasure of Coalition MPs'.

The whistle-blower knows this because he has used the room for sex at least once and says a 'considerable' number of conservative staffers utilise the room."

Hi Paul,

So much for the "REAL " world - ay?

Foxy, I am bathing in the glory of irony, having witnessed you acknowledging that the world is NOT the rose covered wonderland you have been pushing adnauseam.
Yes it is a toxic place, with little to no chance of redemption.
Keep this in mind as you go forward, and especially commenting on people and social issues.

Focus on the positive! Always!

That way you will always have a wonderful aura and
you will spread good karma!

Foxy, I'm sorry but that little cherry of advice is for dreamers.
The reason we must NOT focus on the positives is that they are already positive, and do not need any further attention or adjustment let alone acknowledgement.
Where-as the negatives, because they are negatives, need to be addressed immediately and aggressively so as to stop them in their tracks thereby not allowing them to affect anyone negatively.
It is a fact of life and nature, that by focusing on the positives and a wonderful aura as well as spreading good karma, you are actually not doing or achieving anything tangible, or beneficial.
On the other hand, you head off and stop any and all negatives, you have achieved something in the form of someone or more not having to endure the suffering and pain of what might have been had you not stopped the negative act that was to ensue.
And so it is that I go on so, when YOU go on so, about things that do not need praise or build-ups, as if the person in question is in a bad place, and is thought to do something which requires re-assurance.

Hi Foxy,

No matter how disgusting the behaviour by Liberals, ALTRAV is there making excuses for them. What sort of sicko would condone a Liberal staffer masturbating on a desk, and then say that's okay providing he does his job. No doubt he takes the same attitude towards the bloke accused of raping Brittany Higgins. ALTRAV seems to believe women are fair game for men, he's claims to be a misogamist, and every thing he post here would confirm that.

Paul, thanks for the kind words and accolades.
I am and have always been whatever/whoever I am.
I know who I am, and I am proud of who I am.
You on the other hand are having problems trying to come to terms with who I am so you have fabricated this imaginary me, in your mind, and that's OK.
I am pleased that you find me interesting and worthy enough to concern yourself and comment/discuss, about/with me.
I happily go about my business without any hang-ups or draw-backs, in the knowledge that I see the world as it really is, and accept all the foibles and idiosyncrasies unless they are harmful and a threat to anyone physically or financially.
I do not recognise emotions as there are too many emotional people of low or no conviction and maturity, who will complain or whinge about the most stupid, innocuous and pathetic of things.
And so it is that I am who/what I am, I don't heed nor heel, to the whims of lesser weaker people.
I am a MAN, and I expect a certain amount of responsibility and demands on me for being a man.
I do not reject or regale in being born to this role, so mock away, I am what/who I am, and you are something of a curiosity by comparison.

Foxy,

The case against Shorten has not been dealt with. According to the police, the case was dropped due to insufficient evidence in that the word of one person against another is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt which is exactly the point I argued in the Pell trial which the High court agreed with me.

With regards to Porter, there is not even a police case because not only is there no evidence whatsoever, there is no complaint to the police and not a shred of evidence. If the Shorten case has been dealt with then even more so has the Porter case.

The left whingers are trying to reanimate a non-existent case for Porter while trying to pretend that Shorten is immune to the same treatment. An inquiry into the rapes will include a full statement by the woman Shorten allegedly raped.

" which is exactly the point I argued in the Pell trial which the High court agreed with me."

SHONKYMINISTER, I hope you were wearing your wig and gown at the time, Gee some people kid themselves. As a Legal Eagle I suspect you're more the Dennis Denuto type.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMuh33BMZYY&ab_channel=thecomputerdude24TV%26MovieClips

ALTI,

No one sees the world complete as it truly is, not even you. We see things through our own eyes, applying our own perceptions, beliefs, values, prejudices and judgments. You might think you have come to your position of "reality" through clarity of thought, in isolation from outside influences that would create biased thinking on your part, that you are some kind of "free thinker", devoid of unhealthy influences, you are wrong if that's what you believe. It is obvious from your posts you are heavily influenced by conservative Judeo-Christian beliefs, that being the society you grew up in, in your intuitive years, you accepted such beliefs with little questioning of their correctness. There is nothing wrong with that, although other more progressive people will disagree with your thinking from time to time as their values and beliefs are different to some degree from yours. Come, come, ALTI at the end of the day your opinions are just as influenced by experiences, just as valid, as those of everyone else.

Paul, even though I may agree with much of what you say, I disagree with your suggestion that I cannot see the world as it is.
I am sensitive to wrong doings, and because of this, find myself always questioning EVERYTHING!
I had a very strict and disciplined up-bringing.
Because of this, I have always questioned beliefs and more, and still do to this day.
This is why my beliefs are not influenced by others, and especially changes in trends or what you describe as "progressive" people.
I completely and utterly reject what I believe you are promoting as progressive people and the direction of society.
I have always believed in the basic values of life, such as the traditional family unit.
Seeing as my up-bringing was one of discipline, respect and rules, I can see the difference.
I respect those worthy of respect.
I dis-respect and attack, condemn even, those who are clearly dis-respectful, as you've witnessed.
Your idea of "progressive people" is not progressive at all, when you consider the lifestyle of people today.
In my world, everything is either black or white.
I have not allowed myself to be swayed by the debauchery and lascivious behaviour and lifestyle of todays "progressive people".
You may think of me what you like but I have followed a much disciplined, cleaner, and simpler lifestyle than your progressives of today.
I do not accept so many things that are considered the norm today, and so it is that I DO have a clear un-biased and open mind, but not open to things which are obviously in contradiction with nature or reason.
So it is that the direction people are heading today will eventuate in a "day of reckoning", and if people don't stop and take stock, and change their ways, it will come sooner and harsher than it would otherwise.
Anyone can be as perceptive and aware as myself, if they reject all the childish, immature influences in life and focus on their own betterment instead of the disgusting and irresponsible lifestyle as is being described going on in parliament house

Good Morning Paul,

I agree that judgements are conclusions based on our
own personal values to a given situation. They are
subjective. They often leave little room for other
people to share their experiences. The fact is we
tend to fuse with our judgements and perceive them
as reality. And often we can't tell the difference
between what our opinion is and what the reality is.
In the end our perception becomes our reality. We end
up believing our thoughts/judgements and take them as
facts.

Instead of seeing our multitude of judgements as a
perception or as a lens we put on situations, we
see it as a truth. By doing this we create a situation
and a lack of acceptance of other's beliefs.

Hi Shadow Minister,

Paul Kelly writing for The Australian sums things up
rather well. He tells us that ultimately, this
situation with Porter will be resolved by Scott
Morrison. It will be sorted within the political
system, and this is where it should be sorted.
It is about ministerial behaviour and cabinet
standards.

If you have the time the article is worth a read.

The jackass LIBERAL from Queensland Andrew Laming, now claims he only apologised in parliament for trolling women online, because ScumO' made him do it. Now ScumO' has ordered the jackass to undergo rehab for his disgusting attitude towards women. How about just sacking the fool and be done with it. It speaks volumes for the type of people the LIBERAL Party wants to represent them in parliament.

Paul, sorry, I'm not letting you get away with yet another pathetic, counter intuitive comment.
AGAIN.
Now you keep banging on as if you are the moral and virtue police for women.
Well, I know this will come as a shock, but you're NOT!
Now to put you and your head back in place, I want to remind YOU, of a fact YOU keep banging on about, as do we all, for that matter, and that is;
Anyone in politics is a lying, filthy, scum of the lowest order.
RIGHT?
OK, so that being the case, why on earth would you or ANYONE else stick up for them (the female politicians).
They are made of the same garbage as their male counter-parts only exuding less authority and conviction, thereby not coming across as a commanding force like men do.
So I think you may want to reel in your adoration and admiration, even enamored displays of way too much affection for what are essentially lying, untrustworthy scum.
Always remember, if they profess to be true politicians, the more they promote that idea, the lower they sink in the cesspool that is politics.
SO; there it is in a nut-shell.
There is NO difference between males and females in politics, or any workplace apparently.
Well that's not me saying that, you know my views on that subject, NO, it is the views of the maggots themselves, so there you have it, I was and still am, right again.
The moral here Paul is, if your going to bag male politicians, you must also bag the females, because by their own admission and promotion they are just as good as any man!
Finally, something the females compare well with the male counterparts.
Who said there was no equality in the workplace?

ALTI, stop sipping the kool-aid, the two women the scumbag Laming was trolling online were not politicians, they were CONSTITUENTS!

"Anyone in politics is a lying, filthy, scum of the lowest order." You would have no idea, just babbling on with unsubstauated nonsense on your part. You would not know a politician if you fell over one. AND they wouldn't want to know YOU either!

Paul, if you've run out of sensible salient comments or thoughts, please refrain from running off at the mouth, simply to try to sound knowledgeable or worthwhile.
I did not mention names or specific maggots/people, did I?
My comments were aimed at maggots in politics, whether politicians or not.
Clear enough for you and your bias, petulant, irrelevant and twisted ideologies?
You're welcome!

Pauliar,

Still nothing on a Green candidate convicted of raping children?

Foxy,

Ministerial codes of conduct etc do not cover what a person does as a teenager The codes of conduct also apply to Labor and the greens.

The defamation trial in May if Porter wins will prove as far as it is possible that the claims against him have no substance.

Not familiar with that one shonkyminister, but if you would like to provide a link I'll read the story, and then comment. BTW your failure to provide support for your accusations is well known on the forum, could it be because you simply make things up as you go.

ALTRAV, you do not need to mention names, you said; "Anyone in politics is a lying, filthy, scum of the lowest order" That means every politician, Scott Morrison, Anthony Albanese shonkyminister if he's in politics, etc etc. You didn't say some, or the majority, you said "anyone", so you have outed the lot. I do realise English is not your first language and I do make allowances for that when reading your comments, but this is clear. I have met politicians from various parties and of different political persuasions, getting to know some very well, I can say I haven't found the majority to be as you claim ALL politicians are lying, filthy, scum of the lowest order. That leads me to question your personal knowledge of politicians. I suspect sitting in your tool shed banging on a keyboard your experience would be next to nothing.

Good Morning Shadow Minister,

When Tony Abbott had a Royal Commission into Julia
Gillard's personal life, way back, Gillard was not a Minister
at that time either. Yet the investigation proceeded. In this
case Porter is not just a politician. He's the Attorney General.
The Chief Law Officer in the land. His reputation needs to
be above reproach. An investigation would give him the chance
to clear his name. There are many questions still unanswered
regarding Porter.

However, Scott Morrison will sort all this out, of that I am
sure. Have a nice day. For me this discussion has now well
and truly run its course. Going around in circles and
repeating the same arguments achieves nothing productive.

Cheers.

cont'd ...

Please don't get me wrong. I certainly don't envy the
PM's job. The scandals coming out of Canberra are
quite dreadful and any PM from any political party
would have their work cut out for them. That's why I
am now pulling out of this discussion. I want to
avoid finger-pointing and further attempts at trying
to score political brownie points.

There are problems in Parliament House that need to
be addressed. Doing nothing is not an option.

Wow! This jackass Andrew Laming is not only an online troll, he likes to get the camera out and take pics of unknown women in shops from behind, with their undies showing. This LIBERAL PARTY gets better by the day!

Paul, I have had a little more contact with pollies than most, and so I speak with confidence and experience.
My reasoning is, as I have previously explained, that no matter how well intentioned a person, they can be a saint, BUT, once they have been exposed to the cesspool known as politics, at any level, they undergo a life changing transformation.
You see Paul, unfortunately for certain people and professions, unless you are prepared to become "one of them", you will not be accepted or trusted, which only leaves you in the outer.
For you to succeed in politics you have to "join the club".
You know the one, the "I'll scratch your back, if you'll scratch mine" club.
There MUST be that kind of comradery and trust, to enable them to do the shonky, back door, dirty, self serving deals, they do.
Even at international levels, Prime Ministers and Presidents and the like would never succeed if they were not extremely bent, to be able to also trust one another to pull off some of the largest back pocket deals that the public have NO idea or clue about.
To satisfy your yearn for proof, might I remind you of at least one offshore political involvement I was involved with, the Malaysian Prime Minister and his family and govt.
I will not elaborate, but Paul, when I speak of something, I may not get it across quite right, but I do not speak of things I know not about.
I hope this answers your concerns.

Hi Paul,

Being a member of the "Club" is not enough.

Women MPs have been increasingly saying there's
a culture in Canberra in dire need of change.
There is a "women's problem" in Australian
politics.

Julia Banks, Julis Bishop, Kelly O'Dwyer,
Sarah Henderson, and many more have testified to
that.

We've got the perfect example of the well-qualified,
popular, well respected, party stalwart - Julie Bishop.
Australia's Foreign Minister, Deputy Leader of the
Liberal Party, Senior Cabinet Member, served 10 years as
Deputy, who made a run for the top job.

Had she been a man would she have got the job?
Of course she would have!

But in the macho politics of Canberra - it's the
aggressive masculinist politics that continues to
destabilise the Liberal Party. That's why in the
fury of politics the party room simply overlooked a
legitimate and credible leader such as Julie Bishop.
And why we have today women in politics continue to
be targets of gendered abuse and misogyny not endured
by their male counterparts.

This kind of entrenched sexism places limits on women's
ability to participate in politics on an equal footing.

The "larrikin" and the " aggressor" MPs who thrive in the
"rough-and-tumble" atmosphere of Canberra needs to change.

And Mr Morrison's speeches are not enough. Action is
required.

It is a fact that the feminazi's and their supporters, refuse to accept.
Men, males, are by nature, fighters, aggressors, achievers and more.
Why is it that there are many, many more con-artist or even successful people out there who outnumber women to the point of it BEING THE POINT.
Those of you pushing this rubbish about women being oppressed by men, so what?
Big deal!
Who cares?
Dreaming?
I can go on, and I will as long as you lot of whinging losers, keep on and on about this NOTHING topic.
You're a female, GREAT!
You should be celebrating that fact and the lifestyles and choices you have, and enjoy.
Trying to fit a square peg in a round hole only works if you are prepared to sacrifice or cut back the corners of the square peg to make it round.
And so it is with anything that is forced or feigned, something has to be removed or compromised, to make it fit.
I believe that is abundantly clear with these self important, poser, maggots of today, that insist on doing something they are clearly NOT suited for, but insist it is their right to do it anyway, no matter who or what is compromised or suffers.
There is no question or doubt that the freeing up of women has since become a huge mistake and burden on EVERY level and member of society, both outside but absolutely and critically so within the family unit itself, which because of these new age maggots, no longer exists or less and less over time.
And so the many woe's of our society, culture and safety, come back to these unconscionable freedoms we men have allowed them.
I believe the only place "free-range" has proven a success is in the animal or farming industries, not the white collar industry.
Women do not command the same level of respect and authority, men do, so let's get that out there before another word is spoken on this topic.
As for women having anything to offer, they firstly need two things, exposure and experience.
End-of!

Hi Foxy,

I totally agree with what you have to say on women and the aggressive male attitudes women are experiencing within the Liberal Party. I think the Labor Party have made great strides in the area of female recognition within its ranks, I know the Greens certainly have. The treatment of Julie Bishop by her male colleagues was outrages and typifies those masodanistic attitudes we are talking about.

Morrison has misread completely what he is being confronted with, he's tried to play the issues as being a political problem that is best delt with through a standard political response and is failing.

If you can please tell me what ALTRAV is on about with his above post, I find it a load of nonsensical gobbledygook myself.

Foxy,

There was no royal commission into Julia Gillard, only the royal commission into trade union corruption. Juliar was called in for questioning into her involvement in the defrauding of businesses by union heavies using legal instruments that she set up, for which she was fired from Gordan and Slater.

That there was insufficient evidence for the prosecution has probably more to do with the lack of any paper trail than her innocence.

There are now allegations against a Labor MP, and Greens senator Larissa Waters has had to issue a grovelling apology to Dutton for blatantly lying on Twitter.

See a pattern?

Hi Paul,

The. Pm. Said he. Was. Tired. Of. Women. Being. Marginalised. Intimidated
Bellitled. Diminished. And objectified.

He. Admitted that. There. Had. Been. A. Long. Standing. Culture. Of
Despicable. Behaviour. In. Parliament. House.

It. Needed. To. Stop.

Hi. Sm,

Yes. As. The. Pm. Pointed. Out. There. Is. A. Pattern. Of. Behaviour
In. Parliament. House. And. It. Needs to. Stopp.

Pauliar,

Once again you are lying through your teeth in feigning ignorance of the two paedophile greens candidates. Not only have I provided you with the links more than once in the past but considering how often I have rubbed your nose in it the only way you could have forgotten is if you had dementia.

If you ignore it, it won't go away.

My. Internet. Is. Down once again.

Back. To the. iPad. And. The. Typos. My. Apologies.

Shadow. Minister,

You. Are correct. If we. Ignore the current behaviour in parliament house
It. Will. Not. Go. Away.

shonkyminister,

We have a federal LIBERAL MP accused of secretly taking photos of unknown women from behind, in shops, obviously for his own titillation and perverse pleasure. This fellow sits in the LIBERAL party room, is in lockstep with Morrison on parliamentary votes. This guy also trolled women on the internet, this same grub is able to voice his opinions with other LIBERAL MP's on all matters including those affecting women. BTW what do you have to say about National's MP Michael Johnsen? Nothing I suspect.

In the matter you have deflected to, concerning the failed Greens candidate Jonathan Doig, one he was immediately expelled from the party, action that the gutless Morrison refuses to take against Laming, a sitting and voting MP, also an accused pervert with a mobile phone camera. Two if Doig is convicted then I totally support the court handing down an appropriate sentence. Do you support party expulsion and charges being brought against LAMING for perverted acts in public?

The LIBERAL PARTY ward at the nut house is getting rather crowded, with a couple of cabinet ministers and a backbencher in house at the moment.

Well Said. Paul.

Things. Can. Not. Be. Ignored. Any. Longer.

But. Changing. The. Culture. Is. Going to. Be. Hard.

It. Has. To. Start. At home and. In. Schools.

People. Have. To. Learn. To. Treat. Each other with. Respect,

Female or. Male. Treating females. As. Second. Class. People. Is. So

Yesterday.

Pauliar and foxy,

Both of you defended the thief and embezzler Craig Thompson remaining in parliament, yet you want the resignation of another MP for relatively trivial offences.

No shonkyminister, that is another barefaced lie on your part, I certainly didn't, and I'm sure Foxy didn't either, want "Craig Thompson remaining in parliament". Thompson was a criminal grub who got what he deserved. You should retract your lie, but are unlikely to do so.

<<BTW what do you have to say about National's MP Michael Johnsen? Nothing I suspect.>>

I was right, NOTHING! He's your kinda guy!

Shadow Minister,

I did not defend Craig Thompson.

And I certainly am not defending inappropriate
behaviour currently. The fact that you are is
most inappropriate coming from the gentleman
I assumed you were.

cont'd ...

SM,

Do you have a wife, mother, daughters?

Ah well, so does our PM.

Stop defending behaviour that has no place in a
civil society.

Hi Foxy,

When it comes to shonkyminister never ASSUME cause as we know when you ASSUME you make an ASS out of U and ME.

Hi Paul,

What an incredible mess the Liberal Party finds itself
in currently. What's with appointing M. Cash as the
Attorney General? A more unstable woman could not
be found? And then what about the one appointed to
care about women? Even Grace Tame objected to her.

Blunders are being made to placate members within the
party and defending them seems rather desperate. But
I guess party loyalty is stronger than common sense in
some cases.

Hi Foxy,

If Morrison was serious about women's issues, then instead of huffing and puffing, forming yet another committee, he could have firstly took the time to read the Kate Jenkins 'Respect@Work Report` on workplace harassment. Secondly Morrison could have implemented the 55 recommendation contained within that report. Morrison knows there is a powerful right wing faction in the Liberal Party that doesn't want a bar of this "women's lib nonsense" these mostly old farts are having difficulty moving out of the 1950's.

I once attended a Liberal Party branch meeting, I was invited, good to know your enemy. It was a joke, a young radical at an old farts convention. Out front was a table covered with a white linen table cloth. On the table were two photos, one of Sir Robert Menzies, and the other a very young Queen Elizabeth II. Seated there in the middle was a old fart who I understood to be the Branch President, another old fart as well, the Branch Secretary, and an old duck the Branch Treasurer. I forget what the riveting discussion was about, but just before the meeting closed two other old ducks got up and retired to the back of the room, where they put the kettle on and uncovered the Iced Vo-Vo's and yummy little cakes. The tea and cakes were the highlight of the evening for me. Admittedly it was back in the 70's and since I never attended another Liberal Party meeting I suppose things have moved on in 2021, the Iced Vo-Vo's most likely have been replaced with Tim Tams, or heaven forbid American style Oreo Cookies, such progress!

Foxy,

A little bit of hypocrisy, do you have a husband and children yet support the embezzlement of union funds on prostitutes etc by an MP supported by a liar of PM Juliar.

Your soapbox is rotten.

shonkyminister,

More deflection from you who supports the outrages behaviour of a pair of deviate LIBERAL/NATIONALS, the admitted up-skirter and online abuser Andrew Lemming. You also didn't condemn the actions of the parliamentary sextexter and alleged rapists Michael Johnsen! These are people in government making the rules for the rest of us, no matter to you, as long as they are your kinda people making those rules.

Hi Shadow Minister,

There's really nothing left to say.

Have a nice day.

Pauliar,

More deflection from you who supports a pair of DEVIANTS from the GREENS.