To SteeleRedux- Mate that was a relatively coherent post. Usually I don't read them- but that was worth it. Kudos.

ttbn- Not sure about Paul1405 but I think you are relevant- it would be easy for me to say " 'I'm not the extremist- you're the extremist'- but that would be childish- hopefully those that I want to read my views are more sophisticated than that". Some have said 'there are the good- the bad- and the scenery'.

Baltasar Gracian however has a number of great quotes-

"Better mad with the rest of the world than wise alone."

"Knowledge without courage is sterile."

“Never exaggerate. It is a matter of great importance to forego superlatives, in part to avoid offending the truth, and in part to avoid cheapening your judgment. Exaggeration wastes distinction and testifies to the paucity of your understanding and taste. Praise excites anticipation and stimulates desire. Afterwards when value does not measure up to price, disappointment turns against the fraud and takes revenge by cheapening both the appraised and the appraise. For this reason let the prudent go slowly, and err in understatement rather than overstatement. The extraordinary of every kind is always rare, wherefore temper your estimate.”

Paul1405 in his exaggerated reaction perhaps makes the mistake that Gracian outlines- but it does seem to typify the culture of the socialist diaspora

Just a bit of extra information from NPR:

"President Trump and former first lady Michelle Obama
were named the most admired man and woman in 2020,
according to an annual survey by Gallup".

"The analytics and advisory company conducted telephone
interviews with a random sampile of 1,018 adults across
the country in the first weeks of December".

"Last year (2019) Trump tied with former President Barack Obama,
who was named most admired the past 12 consecutive years.
But the president managed to pull away this year (2020) with
18% . 3% ahead of his predecessor".

"Michelle Obama was ranked as the most admired woman in
America for the third year in a row. The runner-up was
Vice-President elect Kamala Harris, followed by first lady
Melania Trump, according to Gallup".

"The poll has taken place every year since 1946, White House
occupants - past, present and future presidents and first ladies
are almost always contenders, Gallup said. As most
admired man, 48% of Republicans chose Trump, with no other
public figure receiving more that 2%".

"Democrats split their votes between Barack Obama, 31%, and
President-elect Joe Biden, 13%".

"Oprah Winfrey placed fourth, while Queen Elizabeth II tied
with Angela Merkel. Hillary Clinton and Rep. Alexandria
Ocasio-Cortez in fifth place, each receiving 2%. Elizabeth
has placed in the top 10 to a total of 52 times. The only
person who has had more top 10 finishes was the late
evangelist Rev. Billy Graham, who made the list 64 times".

Not sure how accurate surveys really are.

I guess it is possible to survey an entire population, but
time and expense make this procedure impractical unless the
population is a small one. Gallup has chosen a sample of
the population that they feel accurately
represents the population in question.

We can only trust that
this is accurate - if it's not that the conclusions drawn
from the survey are only valid for the respondents - the actual
subjects of the survey and can't be applied to the entire
population from which the sample was drawn.

CM, I thought you had placed me in the extremist category when you referred to me without evidence that I was a Communist, or has that slipped your mind. A lot of your racial views would be seen as extreme in the Australian context. Is your support for Trump based on his affinity with far right groups such as the Proud Boys. ttbn admitted he took up with a hard right political party which could muster only half a per cent support at a general election, now that's extreme. Do you crave a more moderate opinion of yourself from others? So my reference to you fellas as being extreme seem reasonable.

Nothing like a pretend intellectual white supremacies who quotes this one and that, busy on the Google search engine I presume.

I usually do provide evidence to my claims- though I'm sure as everyone to be neglectful on occasion. Thanks for you feedback Paul1405.

Okay, it's established that Biden got millions of votes more than Trumpf did, but they both got dirty big lots of votes. More than earlier candidates. And Biden got millions more than Trumnpf did. End of.

So now Trumpf wants all of his underlings and 2024-hopefuls to do something, anything, to fraudulently turn the vote around, to fraudulently annul the election, to fraudulently force a re-count, to examine every dick-brained assertion of fraud, etc. And to use the military to overturn the democratic vote.

He urges the Georgia governor and/or A-G to fraudulently cook up thousands of votes and swing his share over the line. Whether that's treason may be decided after Biden's inauguration. This time next year, Trumpf may well be in jail. Lucky he's not in Arizona or one of those western hick states, where you get shot for treason.

Our ABC has a fair summary:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-04/why-congress-wont-change-the-election-for-donald-trump/13017326

Only 16-17 days until it's all over, and smooth sailing, folks :)

And Kamala as acting president in a year or two :). Wouldn't be dead for quids !

Joe