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A Brexit deal is signed.

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Boris Johnson despite all the naysayers has achieved a Brexit deal that will protect trade with the EU whilst breaking the shackles of EU control.

He has achieved what he promised.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 25 December 2020 6:50:38 AM
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Yes Minister, the Bananas Have the Correct EU Specified Bend !
The subject of an episode of Yes Minister, remember ?

Well after all that Brexit happened.
I think Yes Minister had quite a significant part in alerting the UK
population to some of the politically correctness coming out of Brussels.
I visited a friend in the UK some years back and read in the local
paper how the local town council, the County Council and the British
government had all approved a bypass road around a Cheshire town.
The proposal went to Brussels and it was refused because it did not
comply with an EU planning decisions. So the town had no appeal and
probably still have to put up with the congestion in their High Street.
My comment to my friend was, is the UK a colony of Brussels ?
Yes, he said it is !

Just this year I read that the EU when planning their bureaucratic
structures for administering the EU countries settled on the
organisation plan of, wait for it; The British Colonial Office !
Need any more be said ?
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 26 December 2020 3:15:49 PM
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Shadow,
It's good that this is finally sorted. However whether the deal is a good one depends on the details, so I'm reserving judgement for the moment.

__________________________________________________________________________________

Bazz, That wasn't in Yes Minister.
Nor was it reality. I've read the EU regulations concerning bananas, and it's not their shape that's regulated; 'twas their size.

Now IMO the EU should have no business restricting people's freedom to trade whatever size of bananas they want. And obviously many others concur, as the EU voted on whether to abolish those restrictions. And more than 50% of the European Parliament voted to keep them. But the really weird bit is that for some reason that I'm still not sure about, a 2/3 majority was required to keep that regulation, so it was abolished by winning a minority of the vote!
Posted by Aidan, Saturday, 26 December 2020 5:59:34 PM
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The Yanks had the good sense, after four years, to get rid of The Dangerous Doctor Donald. How long will it take the Poms to wake up to Bug Ridden Boris and do likewise? The EU should say good riddance to a Britain and its real life clown!
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 26 December 2020 9:30:44 PM
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Aiden, it may have been poetic license, or it may be the passage of time.
Doesn't matter, it was a very funny episode. I believe Netflix have
all the Yes Minister Episodes available.
It might be a good idea if Paul could watch a few it might put things
into perspective regarding politics.
Margaret Thatcher said she was a regular fan of it as it enabled her
to anticipate her own Sir Humphrey.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 26 December 2020 9:46:27 PM
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You would think Paul would like Boris, seeing that he is as rat bag crazy greenie as Paul himself is.

Bet he gave away too much to the ratbag green/socialist EU in getting the agreement.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 26 December 2020 10:50:05 PM
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Paul is suffering from ARDS or advanced relevancy deficiency syndrome.

With Morrison and Johnson riding high in the polls the opinions of the extreme left whingers such as the greens and the Corbynistas are largely ignored. Even Adam Bent and twisted hasn't been heard of for a while.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 27 December 2020 7:09:49 AM
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How it will affect Australia and trade is our only interest. It is not generally know what is in the agreement, but given that Boris is a weak lefty, he could have had the wool pulled over his eyes. The UK hasn't had a decent government since Margaret Thatcher. Joining the EU in the first place was sheer idiocy.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 27 December 2020 7:35:22 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

Making it up as you go again I see.

In April Johnson's approval rating was 53% with disapproval at 26%.

The latest poll at Yougov has that essentially reversed. 27% approval to 53% disapproval.

"Riding high in the polls" indeed.

Look I know you lot have been treating facts as inconvenient for a while now but fudging is preferred to falsifying.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 27 December 2020 8:02:44 AM
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Hi Steele,

You beat me to it, the latest 'Politico' polls for December have Bug Ridden Boris's DISAPPOVAL at 57%. Party vote is neck and neck Labour 39%, Conservative 38%. With a first past the post, neither would win a majority government.

Yep! Poor old shonkyminister just dreams things up. The problem is the old cock has his head so buried in his subscription rag 'The Daily Telecrap', the guy helping to keep old Rups in luxury, and 'Beat Up' Bolt in a job, he can't see fact from fiction. Next thing you know he'll tell us all about BRB's fantastic response to the pandemic, with over 70,000 Poms dead (official), more like 120,000 (correct count). The Poms are doing "better" than the Swed's, can you believe it.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 27 December 2020 8:35:58 AM
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Oh Dear OHhhh
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 27 December 2020 9:21:28 AM
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shadyminister,

Soot Morrison doesn't score many point with me other than showing us his mettle after leading the Battle of Cobargo when he was the only one standing who was capable of shaking hands.

BTW Not many people commenting on Brexit seem to see the EU outside of economic terms. Which is interesting because the EU was always meant to be a political unification to prevent the USSR from dominating the continent and not for the purpose of free trade. Free trade was just a byproduct of the political unification.

As such I have never seen it to be plausible for the EU to leave the UK in the lurch without a deal, otherwise it would be risking the breakdown of the intended unification of the West in Europe.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 27 December 2020 10:32:16 AM
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Voter approvals of leaders mean nothing except that the leader is giving the bogans what they want in the way of handouts. Unfortunately, it's the lefty leaders of once centre right parties who are giving stuff away to these bogans. In our own country, the Ad Man has not just convinced these bogans that he has saved them from the China virus, he is also chucking money at them on a level never dreamed of by Labor. The one qualification for politics? The ability to manipulate people. And nobody fits that job description more than the Ad Man does. I wonder how many customers he conned before he went into politics.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 27 December 2020 11:23:59 AM
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Mr Opinion: "Which is interesting because the EU was always meant to be a political unification to prevent the USSR from dominating the continent and not for the purpose of free trade."

Well Wikipedia would disagree: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union and so would most people with an interest in world affairs who are older than say 50+. Since anyone born before 1970 has lived during the whole existence of the EU (established in 1993) and also a very large chunk of EU's immediate predecessors' history (withthe EEC/ECSC formed in the early 1950's).

These treaties and their respective governing/bureaucratic bodies were not formed explicitly due solely to the threat of the USSR. However ones like NATO were.

The desire for of a more unified European economic area and politic goes back millennia to the first European union ie., the Roman Empire. And ever since the fall of the western half of the emprie there have been numerous efforts (usually through war but sometimes peacetime diplomacy) over the centuries to re-establish tighter integration. All the previous attempts that covered any decent proportion of the area of the current EU have never lasted long (eg: the Napoleon Empire).
Posted by thinkabit, Sunday, 27 December 2020 2:16:40 PM
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Oh, yeah something I forgot to mention above: the USSR collapsed in 1991 which his is BEFORE the EU was established by the Maastrict Treaty in 1993.

But of course since Mr Opinion is Austrlia's greatest intellectual with four degrees. Highlighting of course those in the Arts covering areas as sociology, history, etc. He of course knew this didn't he?

Also, to be fair, I mentioned the Roman Empire being Europe first Union. Really it was broader in scope than that of course since it stretched down below the Mediterranean Sea to Africa and also a long way East/South-East into the Middle East/Central Asia. But it didn't go as far North/North East as modern Europe (eg: didn't have much control beyond the "Limes Germanicus" which is basically the Rhine and Danube) nor West (since didn't include Ireland, Icleand, etc.)
Posted by thinkabit, Sunday, 27 December 2020 2:50:31 PM
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thinkabit,

It is obvious that you have no training in history because most of what you have just said is gobbledygook.

But you do take an interest and try to work things out albeit based on a modicum of knowledge, which I do admire you for doing.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 27 December 2020 3:04:40 PM
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Mr Opinion. You don't need to having formal university training in history to know it. All all need to do is read it.

If you have had training, as you often claim, then I'd be interested to know which institution you studied at because your claims about the EU and USSR are complete rubbish. As I pointed out: the EU came into existence AFTER the USSR collapsed (ie: at no point did both the EU and USSR exist contemporaneously). So it is ridiculous to make the claim that the EU is the "political unification to prevent the USSR from dominating the continent and not for the purpose of free trade." It is simply a crazy, illogical statement about history to make- on the level of runner's (where is he lately?) or Ozspen's claims about science.

But more than this, the history of the EU is very recent (has I pointed out already- it come into existence in 1993) so if you are middle aged then you should have lived through it! If 40+ you don't even need to read recent history books, all you need to have have done is watch/listen to news broadcasts to know it. If you didn't know the simple facts that the USSR dissolved in 1991 and the EU formed in 1993 then you must have lived a very, very sheltered/distant from western society life since both events were given saturation coverage in the media at the time.
Posted by thinkabit, Sunday, 27 December 2020 3:59:11 PM
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thinkabit,

The EU has its roots in the 1950s and eventually evolved into the EU in the 1990s.

Is that what you are trying to say?

I'm sure like everyone you were taught some history in primary and secondary schools but one needs to do it at university where it really counts if one wants to claim one knows history. Which obviously you will never be able to you.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 27 December 2020 4:20:18 PM
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I'm perfectly aware that the EU had predecessor's. In fact, here is a direct quote from my previous post:

"Since anyone born before 1970 has lived during the whole existence of the EU (established in 1993) and also a very large chunk of EU's immediate predecessors' history (withthe EEC/ECSC formed in the early 1950's)."

(EEC = "European Economic Communityn" and ECSC = "European Coal and Steel Community", in the previous post I assumed you would know this but now I'm not so certain)

It should also be noted that it was during the late EEC/ECSC era, especially in the 1980's that trade with the USSR INCREASED not decreased. The west wanted their oil and gas! In fact in 1987 the USSR was granted observed status in the GATT accords http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Agreement_on_Tariffs_and_Trade, and then the EEC went even further and in 1988 signed a normalization agreement. In other words, just before the creation of the EU, Europe was welcoming USSR trade and relations. This is the exact opposite to the relationship between the EU/USSR you're trying to portray.

But of course, unless you're a complete moron or lived under a rock, anyone who is 40+ years old should know this. If you somehow missed all this- trying googling "Gorbachev", "Glasnost", "Perestroika", etc.

And lastly, to reiterate, the idea to make Europe/a region of Europe more closely united is definitely NOT new- it has been around for millennia!! There have been many various attempts all over the place. Sometimes upstart hotheads gave it a go by force but also there have been peaceful treaties of unions.
Posted by thinkabit, Sunday, 27 December 2020 5:15:20 PM
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thinkabit,

There you go again telling us that you have no working knowledge of history.

Best if you stick to your vocational trade type stuff like the shadyminister does and don't try mixing with those who know about the Arts things like history, sociology, anthropology, archaeology, philosophy, etc.

That's a good boy; now off you run and watch your cricket on TV.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 27 December 2020 5:22:01 PM
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SR and Pauliar,

What you have quoted were polls from a few weeks ago when much of the media outlets in the UK were predicting doom from a no-deal Brexit. However, after Johnson's coup of the century where he has got just about everything he wanted from the trade deal the initial indications are that his popularity has received a tremendous boost and the remoaners are now looking more than a little stupid.

Essentially,
the UK has still tariff and quota-free trade with the EU,
can now develop free trade arrangements with the other 85% of the world economy,
dropped the roughly AU$15bn annual net contributions to the EU coffers,
Regained control of the UK's fishing rights,
removed the yoke of the ECJ arbitrary judgements,
Regained control of its borders
etc.

It is far better than I expected and puts the UK in a stronger position than it was before.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 27 December 2020 6:53:54 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

Your sycophantic adoration for your authority figures is kinda sweet but you don't get to rewrite this mess into any shining achievement for your man Boris. He got played beautifully especially by Macron whose shutting of the borders 5 days out put the wind up Boris so severely his enthusiasm for a no deal quickly evaporated.

As to fishing Boris had wanted 80% of the catch in UK waters to go to UK fishermen right from the start. The EU said 18% with increases annually. Boris said non-negotiable 80% or shove it. The EU said fine, no deal. The deal finally done was for the UK to get 25% along with the EU prescribed increases.

This is what you are lauding as regaining control over their fishing rights?

You really are a scream.

What other masterful strokes do you think your man has managed?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 27 December 2020 8:23:10 PM
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"As to fishing Boris had wanted 80% of the catch in UK waters to go to UK fishermen right from the start."

Should read: "As to fishing Boris had wanted 80% of the EU's catch in UK waters to go to UK fishermen right from the start.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 27 December 2020 8:25:46 PM
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Oh and here is what the market analysts are saying;

JPMorgan Chase & Co.’s chief U.K. economist, Malcolm Barr, offered a different assessment from the British government.

“The EU appears to have secured a deal which allows it to retain nearly all of the advantages it derives from its trading relationship with the U.K., while giving it the ability to use regulatory structures to cherry pick among the sectors where the U.K. had previously enjoyed advantages in the trading relationship,” Barr said."

Lol.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 27 December 2020 8:46:51 PM
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SR

Your psychotic loathing of anyone conservative seems to continually block any form of rational thought.

According to the National Federation of Fishermen's Organisations, which has been briefed on the matter by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, EU fishing quota in UK waters will be reduced by 15% in the first year and 2.5 percentage points each year after.

"By June 2026, it's estimated that UK boats will have access to an extra £145m of fishing quota every year. In 2019, British vessels caught 502,000 tonnes of fish, worth around £850m, inside UK waters.

The UK would have the right to completely exclude EU boats after 2026."

https://www.bbc.com/news/46401558

I also take it that you have accepted that:

-the UK has still tariff and quota-free trade with the EU,
-can now develop free trade arrangements with the other 85% of the world economy,
-dropped the roughly AU$15bn annual net contributions to the EU coffers,
-removed the yoke of the ECJ arbitrary judgements,
-Regained control of its borders.
Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 28 December 2020 3:34:55 AM
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SR,

Are you seriously stupid enough to claim that the UK's opening negotiating position was what anyone was expecting them to get? The EU's position was that it wanted to keep all its quota for fishing in UK waters in perpetuity.

Secondly, as the EU exports nearly 2x as much to the UK (in politically sensitive markets) as vice versa and much of the UK's exports to the EU are oil and gas which can easily be sold elsewhere putting up regulatory barriers which can be reciprocated is idiotic.

While you merrily cherry-pick your analysts the reality is that this deal is widely regarded as good for the UK and gives it a far better outcome than the "Canada style" deal they were originally going for.
Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 28 December 2020 5:25:48 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

You really are a prize pillock aren't you.

Your were quoting from a BBC report which referenced the National Federation of Fishermen's Organisations “bare bones understanding” of the deal. This was their release.
http://nffo.org.uk/news/fisheries-deal-24th-december-2020.html

Their proper response was released a couple of days later. Here it is.

Quote

“MINISCULE, MARGINAL, PALTRY, PATHETIC”

Some of the adjectives that will be in circulation within the UK fishing industry today, to describe the change in UK quota shares as the UK leaves the EU and the CFP, and the content of what was agreed in Brussels on Christmas eve sinks in. Some of the bell-weather stocks tell the story most vividly, After a further five years adjustment period, the UK’s share of Channel cod will have increased from 9.3% to 10.2%.

The UK’s share of Celtic Sea haddock will have increased from 10% to 20%, leaving 80% in the hands of the EU fleets for a further five years.

North Sea saithe: UK share increases from 23% to 26%, again, in steps over 5 years, leaving the lion’s share in EU hands.

In the meantime, EU fleets have free access to fish in UK waters – including up to six miles of the shoreline in the areas where it matters.

Throughout the fishing industry there is a profound sense of disillusionment, betrayal, and fury that after all the rhetoric, promises and assurances, the Government caved-in on fish.

End quote

http://nffo.org.uk/news/miniscule-marginal-paltry-pathetic.html

Damn. Yup, that's one hell of a coup for your mate Boris.

Lol.

Pathetic mate. Try and pull the other one.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 28 December 2020 8:06:29 AM
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SR,

You really are a fatuous twat, aren't you?

In the first year, the EU will lose 15% of its catch in UK waters and even your website links confirm that. The losses will ratchet up to 25% over the next 5 years and after that, the UK can take the lot but probably won't as its fishing fleet needs to grow. That certain areas won't grow as quickly as others do not affect the overall figures or that in 5 1/2 years the UK will have full control.

However, the main point of the trade agreement is not in fishing. Something that clearly does not aid your ranting.
Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 28 December 2020 4:23:55 PM
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Shadow, time wasting.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 28 December 2020 8:15:28 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

Lol.

Well who am I to believe? One of the top independent analysts in the UK along with the very organisation you quoted who have since used words like; “MINISCULE, MARGINAL, PALTRY, PATHETIC” and said the deal delivered “a profound sense of disillusionment, betrayal, and fury that after all the rhetoric, promises and assurances, the Government caved-in on fish”?

Or a key board warrior like yourself, one who has a bit of a kink for right wing buffoons?

Oh the difficult choices life throws at us.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 29 December 2020 9:28:53 AM
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Bazz,

'Waste of time' is putting it mildly. Why is it that what starts as a sensible thread often ends up with two idiots engaging in pointless slanging matches?
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 29 December 2020 12:29:19 PM
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Because they are only interested in spoiling an interesting discussion
where perhaps half those involved may learn a few points.
Never acknowledge their presence.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 29 December 2020 2:44:16 PM
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thinkabit,

In the 1950s the proto-EU (if you want to think of it that way) was politically not economically motivated albeit it acted through an economic agency namely ensuring that steel and coal production could not be used to produce arms.

That is, its goal was to prevent war in Europe by denying its peoples access to the weapons of industrial destruction that had been employed during WW1 and WW2.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Tuesday, 29 December 2020 3:01:44 PM
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PS I understand the reason you could only see it in terms of economics rather than politics. You can only see things in terms of the simple and everyday, like you yourself are.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Tuesday, 29 December 2020 3:06:38 PM
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Dear Bazz,

Awww mate. Do you feel ignored? Sorry for not joining your reminisces of a conversation with your pommie mate or the curve of bananas (which was a red herring) and episodes of Yes Minister on Netflix.

But you see the topic was the deal which has just been done by Boris and the EU. We could of course have gone down the rabbit warren by rehashing Brexit slogans and memes but I'm not sure there would have been much of a point.

However seeing you are feeling a little put out what would you like to contribute to the discussion? I will make a point of responding even if it is off topic or not specifically addressed to me.

The stage is yours.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 29 December 2020 3:17:13 PM
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SR,

Once again you failed at lying.

If you look hard enough and cherry-pick you will always find an "expert" that agrees with you. That most of the other experts don't is a problem for you.

That this "expert" has himself cherry-picked a few examples from the treaty that puts the agreement in a bad light does not detract from the UK fishermen getting a 15% increase in their quota in the first year extending to a 25% increase in 5 1/2 years and a negotiated increase thereafter all of which they can sell tariff-free into the EU.

I also see that you still have no answer for the other 90% of the treaty benefits.
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 29 December 2020 3:58:44 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

What self serving rubbish mate. This is one of the top independent analysts in the UK. You don't get to be the lead economist at JP Morgan unless you know a thing or two. If you have some one of equal or greater standard who has taken your line instead then how about you produce them.

At to the experts on how the deal fared with regard to fishing it was you who introduced and quoted from the National Federation of Fishermen's Organisations not me. It is only after they spoke truth to the wash up of the so called deal that you cut them loose.

Bloody hell mate, isn't it a sh1tty world when your own experts turn against you.

You really are a great antidote to a rather depressing year. Thanks for the giggles.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 29 December 2020 7:14:51 PM
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Fact is that the EU should have told 'global Britain' to hop it years ago..... for being an eternal pain in the arse and demanding special treatment because..?

Like OLO, IPA and CIS are linked to Koch Atlas Network, in the UK it's the IEA, Taxpayers' Alliance and the Tory political activists in the ERG parliamentary group, all the latter were doing the bidding of US radical right libertarians joined at the hip with white nationalism or WASP exceptionalism.

How many Australian political activists and grifters round NewsCorp, the LNP or IPA promoted Brexit (and Trump) and antipathy towards Asia i.e. Howard, Downer, Abbott, Sheridan, Kevin Andrews et al., while promoting and/or approving of white Christian nationalism aka Bannon, Miller, Trump et al.?

Even if British companies find alternative markets (and/or maintaining a presence in the EU), their new markets, especially if selling to supply chains for onward export of goods/services to the EU, will demand compliance with EU standards and regulations, the 'Brussels Effect'.

The whole idea of increased UK global trade is a fanatasy to mask the right wing libertarian coup, especially when Britain realises that it is at the 'back of the queue', outside of desperate Downing Street spin.
Posted by Andras Smith, Tuesday, 29 December 2020 9:09:48 PM
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SR,

Your silly whining is even worse than that of the retarded Greta. What your "expert" has pointed out is that even if the UK fishermen haven't received 100% of the fishing quota in UK waters it has increased over every single species immediately and will continue to grow for the next 5.5 years which is a significant win for anyone except a demented remoaner.

That these quotas exist for only 5.5 years is something that your "expert" neglected after which the UK can take back 100% of the quota if it so pleases.

Secondly, you have assiduously avoided addressing the massive gains in the other 5 areas that I first brought up, as it clearly demolishing your argument making you look like a massive twat.

To quote
"The cut to European quotas will exceed 25% for some species, such as the mackerel the Margolles hunt in British waters in May and June and which represent 80% of their earnings during these months.

The family operation and the fishing fleet in Boulogne-sur-Mer, from where the white cliffs of Britain’s southern shore can be seen, would need to adapt to survive, Margolle said.

That might mean turning to alternative species and fishing methods, and downsizing the local fleet, which will be easier if the government helps people to retire.

“In the five years we have ahead of us, we will have to get out of our comfort zone,” Margolle said. “Because the fleet as it is will not survive the five years. That’s clear.”
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 30 December 2020 9:26:10 AM
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Hasbeen,

It just dawned on me that you have a fascist streak in you.

The idea that you see yourself as some sort of superman, your hatred of socialism and your extreme right views all mark you off as a fascist.

Do you have life-size prints of Hitler and Mussolini hanging on your walls at home?

Do you like your friends to call you Fuhrer or Duce?

It's incredible; how did I not see it earlier?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 30 December 2020 10:00:09 AM
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Now that Britain has successfully left the EU and done a deal, the EU will be crapping bricks waiting for other countries to do the same.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 30 December 2020 10:44:45 AM
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ttbn,

The EU has its roots in the ambitions of post-WW2 leaders to prevent further wars between nationalist states by denying them the economic means of waging war. This of course began with a Western Europe-wide control over steel and coal production needed to produce tanks, planes and guns, thus keeping a resurgence of nationalism in check.

Brexit in effect means that the UK will be able to use its sovereign access to these resources to enhance its military strength within a Britain-first strategy. Can the EU trust the UK will not become belligerent towards member nations of the EU? Will the Balkans become another powder keg where nationalists begin to lose trust in the EU to control disparate economies that will now be attempted to be regained through nationalist anxieties? Will Europe manifest itself into two neo-Cold War blocs: The West and a Russian led East.

Interesting times ahead.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 30 December 2020 11:19:50 AM
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Shadow Minister,

“retarded Greta”

Oh my poor chap, are you really that much on the back foot that you had to resort to that?

You really are a small man aren't you.

Oh well, I'm not that high brow that we can't continue to have some fun.

“which is a significant win for anyone except a demented remoaner”

So all those fishermen represented by your experts the National Federation of Fishermen's Organisations are remoaners? Is that really what you are saying here? How absolutely bonkers. These guys were waiting for Brexit to deliver the promises Boris had made for their future livelihoods. How on earth can you contend they were “remoaners”? They were plainly anything but. Such a stupid comment.

As to this: “you have assiduously avoided addressing the massive gains in the other 5 areas that I first brought up, as it clearly demolishing your argument making you look like a massive twat”. Well no I haven't, I directly quoted from a top independent analyst with his appraisal of the rest and it really wasn't pretty. Was there something specific you wanted to discuss, something you think your buffoon Boris has done particularly well at?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 30 December 2020 3:54:31 PM
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SteeleRedux,

To understand the shadyminister you need to take into account that the shadyminister is an engineer trying not to be an engineer.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 30 December 2020 7:42:27 PM
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SR,

Considering that you once again started slinging abuse, you don't hold the moral high ground.

You clearly haven't considered why the EU caved so comprehensively. A basic analysis of the trade between the EU and the UK shows:

-In 2019, UK exports to the EU were £294 billion (43% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £374 billion (52% of all UK imports).
-That the UK had an overall trade deficit of -£79 billion with the EU in 2019. A surplus of £18 billion on trade in services was outweighed by a deficit of -£97 billion on trade in goods.

On top of this most of the imports from the EU are both politically sensitive ie cars, food, etc and easily replaced by imports from the US, Canada, Aus, NZ etc whereas the major export from the UK to the EU is petroleum products which are easily traded elsewhere. In short, there is nothing to stop the EU putting up regulatory trade barriers except that retaliation from the UK would hurt them far more in politically sensitive areas.

So the half-truths that you quote from your cherry-picked "expert" are just that.

The UK fishermen haven't got everything they wanted, but they got a lot more than the EU wanted to give them, and they will get it all in 5.5 years.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 31 December 2020 4:54:30 AM
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What are the chances of their still being an EU in anything but name in 10 years time?

None & Buckleys I would say.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 31 December 2020 10:49:20 AM
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Hasbeen,

Is that the current fascist perspective, mein Fuhrer?

Back to the good old days you reckon: Lots of disparate nationalist groups waging war on each other across Europe?

The aftermath of the Great War still being played out in newer killing fields?

And will the winds of war sweep once again through Asia as the US and its allies keep interfering in the ongoing Chinese civil war with Taiwan becoming just another Vietnam?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Thursday, 31 December 2020 10:59:12 AM
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Shadow Minister,

So you go after a teenage girl who isn't here to defend herself because you are feeling a little butt hurt about our exchange? I repeat you are a little man. My moral high ground is stratospheric compared to yours old cock.

So back to the fun stuff. You claim “You clearly haven't considered why the EU caved so comprehensively.”

What?

What on earth have they caved in to? The UK still has to abide by all EU regulations to export into Europe so UK exporters now have to comply with two sets of regulations and wear custom fees as well. This will obviously make less competitive.

Of course Britons will now get to eat lower quality foodstuff from places like China and their own producers as regulations on things like pesticide and other chemical use are going to be watered down considerably, but that has nothing to do with the EU.

I gave you a very prominent senior independent analyst who says your perspective on this is tripe. Yet you still haven't put up anyone of equal substance to counter him. Why is that do you think? If you think I am cherry picking then go pick one of your own.

Theresa May voiced her support for the deal but has pointed out that “It is no longer the case that UK service providers will have the automatic right of access to provide services across the EU – they will have to abide by the individual rules of a state.”

So they got a watered down deal on fishing which is 0.1% of their economy but didn't get one on services which is 80% of it.

What an utter train wreak.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 31 December 2020 11:16:35 AM
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Shadow Minister,

More on your fantastic deal.

“The public has delivered an overwhelming thumbs-down to the Brexit trade deal, just 17 per cent saying they think it will be “good” for the country.
Even among Leave voters, only 27 per cent told a survey that the deal was a success – and only one in three Conservative supporters said it was.

But YouGov found that a majority of Britons do want MPs to approve the agreement in the Commons today – by a wide margin of 57 per cent to 9 per cent.

The results are a significant blow to Boris Johnson, as he told MPs it was a “fantastic” deal that had achieved something “which we were told was impossible”. ”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-deal-public-approval-b1780300.html

Dear Hasbeen,

Even the more ardent Brexiteers acknowledge that there will be a hit of 4-5% decrease in the UK economy for many years to come. Perhaps instead of the EU collapsing the UK will turn out to be a salutary warning for those who may look to leave. Indeed perhaps the buyers remorse which has already started to settle in will intensify and the UK will come knocking on the EU's door once again.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 31 December 2020 11:34:46 AM
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Give over Mr O, you are getting past boring.

SR no one asked the ratbag teen age girl to stick her brainwashed nose into everyone elses business.

She asked for it, & deserves every bit of condemnation she gets, & so do a few others, present company included.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 31 December 2020 3:43:02 PM
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So Mr Opinion says, "The EU has its roots in the ambitions of post-WW2 leaders to prevent further wars between nationalist states by denying them the economic means of waging war. This of course began with a Western Europe-wide control over steel and coal production needed to produce tanks, planes and guns, thus keeping a resurgence of nationalism in check."

Well, its good to see that he no longer seems to be asserting that the EU was created as a response to USSR domination. (Just for the record here's his first post's claim: ".. the EU was always meant to be a political unification to prevent the USSR from dominating the continent and not for the purpose of free trade. Free trade was just a byproduct of the political unification."). So it looks my posts detailing his complete lack of knowledge in this area have provoked him to at least do a cursory bit of research into the EU's history.

But unfortunately his quote above gives the impression that he still doesn't understand the mechanisms/policies of how the ECSC/EEC would achieve its goals of European peace and prosperity. He seems to be saying that their plan was to limit the resources, particularly the amount of steel or coal, that a country could produce or attain. But it was actually the exact opposite- the goal of the ECSC/EEC's was for countries in the community to be able to either buy any amount of the resources they wanted so they wouldn't need to start a war to get them or sell all they wanted so they could create wealth for themselves. And also to interlink/entwine their economies so much that it would be economic suicide to try to start a war. ECSC/EEC's method to achieve this was to create a common market where goods and labour moved freely by removing restrictions/obstacles applied by countries (such as tariffs, quotas, etc) and large cartels (such as price fixing) that limited other's access to resources/markets.
Posted by thinkabit, Thursday, 31 December 2020 4:08:18 PM
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Dear Hasbeen,

How's it going old cock? Good I hope.

I remember you going all knock kneed about women in burquas now it is some teenager who has you in palpitations. Why do you feel so threatened by them? Why do you feel the need to slag off repeatedly against a girl who is standing up for what she believes in? So much so that “she deserves every bit of condemnation she gets”.

So in your mind she deserved the sticker produced by a Canadian oil company depicting her rape.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8061899/Canadian-oil-firm-uses-sick-cartoon-Greta-Thunberg-raped-promote-business.html

Why on earth do you think that is okay? Does she threatened you (and them) that much that you celebrate every bit of it? She is a teenager for crying out loud. Really sick and disgusting behaviour from all and sundry and you should be ashamed.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 31 December 2020 4:17:50 PM
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thinkabit,

I think I'm correct on both counts. I can defend both claims successfully.

All I've said is that there were two reasons. There are possibly more reasons.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Thursday, 31 December 2020 4:30:11 PM
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SR,

Caught you out again:

"JPMorgan's Malcolm Barr wrote in a research note Thursday BEFORE the deal was finalized. "The bad news for the UK, in our view, is that the EU appears to have secured a deal which allows it to retain nearly all of the advantages it derives from its trading relationship with the UK while giving it the ability to use regulatory structures to cherry-pick among the sectors where the UK had previously enjoyed advantages in the trading relationship."

Note that this comment was made before the deal was finalised and before Barr had any access to the details including the specific parts that blocked the use of arbitrary regulations being used to create a barrier.

The UK can export its goods free of customs duties etc to the EU. There is some paperwork, but otherwise it is business as usual.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 1 January 2021 5:39:14 AM
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SR,

You are morally bankrupt. You are always the first to resort to abuse and thus appear even more retarded than Greta Dumberg.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2020/12/30/2ac0b/2

Secondly, the results published in the far left whinge Independent cherry-picked the poll results. Given the closeness of the poll to the conclusion of the deal, 62% had no firm conclusion as to the deal and given YouGov's poor polling record predicting a firm remain vote in 2016 and small Conservative majority in 2020, I would give this poll a large pinch of salt.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 1 January 2021 5:52:50 AM
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Shadow minister,

Caught me out? In your dreams mate. You have never once in all the exchanges we have had over the years ever 'caught' me out on a single thing.

Barr was referencing “An initial version of the document contained a list of pledges made by the 2016 “Vote Leave” pro-Brexit campaign and how the deal fulfilled them, a clear sign of Johnson’s team trying to convince his party that he had delivered his Brexit promises. That section has subsequently been removed.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-24/johnson-is-claiming-brexit-victory-over-eu-as-the-spin-begins

As to abuse I used 'pillock' after you used 'seriously stupid'. Pillock is a stupid person.

I mean I enjoy our little tit for tats but the 'he started it Miss' line is a little weak I'm afraid.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 1 January 2021 4:11:08 PM
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SR,

You were not only caught out but were caught with your pants around your ankles and your arse hanging out.

The quote from your infallible and unquestionable genius on the Brexit deal was made before the Brexit deal was finalised and the details released. Firstly, specific annexes were agreed to reduce the non-tariff barriers would make it difficult to arbitrarily change regulations without contravening the treaty and secondly, as the majority of trade goes from the EU to the UK, the EU would be more vulnerable in this game.
Posted by shadowminister, Saturday, 2 January 2021 3:25:59 AM
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SR,

The issue most rational people have with Greta Thunberg is that the far left whinge has used this mentally deficient child as the poster girl for climate change activism as she incoherently mouths off about the science of climate change that she is clearly clueless about. But apparently, her Aspergers induced fanaticism more than compensates for her scientific ignorance.

But best of all, as a disabled female child the activists believe that St Greta is above criticism and that only nasty people would point out her incompetence.

I certainly wouldn't advocate her rape, as that would simply be child abuse which the activists are doing perfectly well on their own.
Posted by shadowminister, Saturday, 2 January 2021 5:42:14 AM
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"I certainly wouldn't advocate her rape, as that would simply be child abuse which the activists are doing perfectly well on their own."

Can we take it Shonkyminister, if the activists were not inflicting child abuse on Greta as YOU claim, then her rape would be perfectly reasonable according to you. If so how disgusting that YOU think that way, what a sick dude you really are.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 2 January 2021 8:36:42 AM
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Hasbeen ....... mein Fuhrer,

This is your 'Mein Kampf'.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Saturday, 2 January 2021 10:15:06 AM
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From what I understand it was Steele Redux that brought up the rape- giving air to something that should be left alone. And then used it to attack Shadowminister. Steele Redux's actions are questionable in my view- these sort of tactics perhaps colour the socialist diaspora.

If anyone is abusing children it's the lefty Californian's that are gender reassigning 6 year olds based on pronouns. Parents are horrified as to this and feel powerless to protect their children from socialist ideology.
Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 2 January 2021 10:40:46 AM
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Shadow Minister,

You are once again stupidly making my case for me. The balance of trade in goods are very much in favour of the EU and there are few barriers in place within the deal to impact it. The balance of trade in services favours the UK and this is where Boris got stitched up by a raft of things like the EU not automatically recognising the credentials of UK professionals.

The government's own analysis of the deal were well known a week before the official announcement and were being openly discussed within the press.

Barr was completely correct in his analysis and you have had plenty of time to show where he might have strayed. He didn't.

As to Greta only nasty people would continually call her retarded. I never said you were the one calling for her rape. Hasbeen holds that mantle saying she deserved all that had been thrown at her. but the both of you are exposed once again as utterly unpleasant and deeply misogynistic.

Dear Canem Malum,

You wrote: "From what I understand it was Steele Redux that brought up the rape- giving air to something that should be left alone. And then used it to attack Shadowminister. Steele Redux's actions are questionable in my view- these sort of tactics perhaps colour the socialist diaspora."

What the hell are you talking about? My conversation regarding the rape stickers was entirely with Hasbeen. He was the one who used the words "She asked for it" which had been trotted out by old farts like him about girls they deem dress inappropriately. The connotations in this case were obvious.

And I need to ask why on earth you think a Canadian oil company putting out sexually graphic stickers of an underage teenager being raped is something that should be left alone? Or how this has any equivalence to the use of gender pronouns?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 2 January 2021 11:45:49 AM
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Dear Canem Malum,

FYI.

http://www.archyde.com/x-site-energy-services-apologizes-for-the-sexual-sticker-targeting-greta-thunberg/
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 2 January 2021 12:01:54 PM
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Interesting. I'd have to review Hasbeen's posts for the context- since Steele Redux didn't include them. I suspect that because Greta has gone to war against the resources industry the resources industry thinks she is fair game- which seems to be what Steele Redux has said that Hasbeen said- perhaps X-Site could have attacked Greta differently. Greta is over eighteen tomorrow born January 3, 2003- not sure what the laws say on this- and whether it makes a difference whether she is 17 or 18- and what moral contexts could/ should/ would be used in the analysis of this incident. Anyway I don't think this deserves more air time- X-Site has apologized- I can remember similar things in newspaper cartoons- if Greta doesn't want to sue- there are other ongoing issues that deserve more attention.
Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 2 January 2021 1:41:10 PM
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Dear Calem Malum,

Lol.

Are you having the proverbial lend?

Here is Hasbeen's post.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=9349#315328

But what I am more interested in is this from you: "I suspect that because Greta has gone to war against the resources industry the resources industry thinks she is fair game".

How on earth is depicting a teenager getting taken from behind by someone yanking her pigtails to be regarded as "fair game"?

You have repeatedly downplayed and dismissed this rather than condemn it even modestly. Instead you have attacked me for raising it and gone after 'Californian lefties' in an attempt at diversion. Why do you think that is?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 2 January 2021 9:34:48 PM
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SR,

I see that you very stupidly only began to read the details now. The point is that the EU in exporting far more to the UK than vice versa was far more vulnerable to non-tariff barriers, which makes Barr's original statement deeply flawed especially since there were significant changes in the last week.

As to the trade in services, these are based on cost and quality which is the reason that the UK has flourished in this area. The non-automatic recognition of qualifications being relatively trivial.

Secondly, the UK is the EU's main conduit to the Anglosphere which if just the UK, US, Aus, NZ, and Canada are included, have an economy bigger than the EU. Not including India, Hong Kong etc.

As for St Greta, the fact that she is a mildly retarded school girl with zero scientific background is not in dispute. Her only relevance to the climate debate is that she has internet fame which gives her the equivalence of the Kardashians.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 3 January 2021 4:55:18 AM
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For heavens sake, if you really want something to argue about, close
to the subject at hand, read James Kunstlers Blog this week.

http://tinyurl.com/y8cdalu6

Don't let the first bit about the US election put you off, it is the
rest that is relevant to us. It is long so it will need time.
He points out why our present way to overcome the energy problem is
leading to a disaster.
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 3 January 2021 8:43:00 AM
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James Kunstlers Blog looks interesting. .
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 3 January 2021 11:12:43 AM
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Greta is a rather dumb nasty little girl who thrives in the limelight. Like most such people she would do or say anything to stay in the limelight.

She has quite obviously been brainwashed by her radical ratbag parents, who may actually be dumb enough to believe the global warming scam themselves.

She has also been pushed by the likes of SR who knows damn well that CO2 can not ever produce catastrophic global warming, but have climbed on the band wagon for some political reason.
Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 3 January 2021 12:09:41 PM
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Shadow minister,

Okay, you really can't seem to let this go. I am starting to get the impression there is something else going on here so I will be straight forward with my question. Do you see Greta in a sexual light?

It is obvious that those of the Canadian fossil fuel company did. And now that I think about it it is likely that our old Hasbeen might have a thing for her as well. But until now I never quite figured you for thinking lustful thoughts, however it is hard to describe your obvious infatuation in anything thing other than those terms.

Canem Malum might not have the same feelings for her as you and Hasbeen clearly do but his ambivalence about her sexualisation by the right is telling.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 3 January 2021 12:16:43 PM
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Hasbeen, mein Fuhrer!

What do you intend to do about Fraulein Greta?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 3 January 2021 12:16:49 PM
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SR,

While you might get a hard-on for Greta she does nothing for me. Disturbed teens with a penchant for tantrums and the IQ of a house plant are not my type. Your fetish for disabled paedophilia is not unusual amongst the far left whingers, but you should keep it to yourself.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 3 January 2021 1:51:05 PM
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Shadow Minister,

You claim "she does nothing for me".

That is patently untrue. You keep bringing her up in threads like this where there is not relevance for you to do so.

It is an infatuation bordering on stalking and you really do need to address it. Hasbeen's fixation is also highly unusual and problematic. Perhaps you both might attend therapy classes together.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 3 January 2021 2:27:14 PM
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Greta seems to be a vanilla sealion.
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 3 January 2021 3:05:25 PM
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Hasbeen, mein Fuhrer! Hasbeen, mein Fuhrer!

The shadyminister just posted the following comments about a teenage girl:

"While you might get a hard-on for Greta she does nothing for me."

"Disturbed teens with a penchant for tantrums and the IQ of a house plant are not my type."

"Your fetish for disabled paedophilia is not unusual amongst the far left whingers ......"

Mein Fuhrer, you should appoint him one of your ministers.

He can be the ShadyMinister for Misinformation and Evil Thoughts.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 3 January 2021 3:25:28 PM
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Greta turned 18 today.
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 3 January 2021 4:42:38 PM
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Time magazine made Greta person of the year for 2019.

The power of youth.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 3 January 2021 5:31:46 PM
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And she's done more in her teens to help humanity than the shadyminister has done in his entire life.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 3 January 2021 5:35:51 PM
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Dear Canem Malum,

You write; "Greta turned 18 today."

Whew. Then it is suddenly okay for Shadow Minister, Hasbeen and the Canadian mining company to sexualise her with gay abandon?

Nothing to see here folks, time to move on.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 3 January 2021 6:35:09 PM
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SR,

You are the one sexually fixated on the retarded Greta. Bristling if your little darling is criticised in any way, and I agree that your infatuation is bordering on stalking, but what do you expect me to do about your dirty old man thoughts?
Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 4 January 2021 2:04:58 AM
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shadyminister,

You really need some serious help because you are headed down the path of a failed Rolf Harris.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Monday, 4 January 2021 4:38:41 AM
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In many a discussion with shonkyminister its not unusual for him to make unrelated references to paedophilia. I have questioned him a couple of times about it, and asked did he have a problem.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 4 January 2021 7:13:39 AM
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Shadow Minister,

Again with piss poor, bite back with whatever accusation that comes your way, Trump style projection that you on the right seem now favour as your argumentative style has no currency any more.

Do you ever just pause for a moment and look at yourself and what you have become? Today should the day you are going to turn this around, to be a better person and step back into normal society.

Give it a crack.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 4 January 2021 7:14:06 AM
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SteeleRedux,

Are you aware that the shadyminister is a principal engineer with a major corporation and is the manager of a large number of staff?

It would be like putting Satan in charge of a daycare centre.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Monday, 4 January 2021 7:37:30 AM
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Yes Mr O,

Shonkyminister is indeed chief engineer, I hope I'm not letting the cat out of the bag, the lad is head man in the Blockages Dept at Porta Potty Pty Ltd. Shonkyminister is well known for using his head whenever confronted with a serious obstruction.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 4 January 2021 8:30:58 AM
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Paul1405,

I've heard his employees cherish him and have affectionately nicknamed him 'Old Sh!t For Brains'.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Monday, 4 January 2021 8:48:16 AM
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SteelRetard,

You were the first on OLO to sexualise the retarded teen Greta (who has the scientific credibility of a performing seal), Just as Pauliar was the first to raise paedophilia and both of you are here laughingly trying to claim the moral high ground.
Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 4 January 2021 8:51:20 AM
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shadow,
Greta is not retarded, and has far more scientific credibility than you ever had or ever will.
Unlike the underperforming seals of this board, she understands the science enough to take the problem seriously.
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 4 January 2021 1:02:32 PM
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Aidan,

You have said some dumbass statements in your life but this takes the cake. Greta at 16 had no science qualifications whatsoever and makes outlandish claims that are not supported by any climate scientist. Whereas I only have an honours degree in Engineering a year of post-grad physics research, a patent under my belt and am the technical director for a large multinational not to forget my degree in economics and MBA.

But I suppose she has a big mouth and lots of sexually excited groupies like SR.
Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 4 January 2021 1:56:58 PM
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shadyminister,

Good comeback 'Old Sh!t For Brains'.

But you are not a scientist. Like me you are just a lowly engineer.

You don't have an economics degree; you have a commerce degree. There's a big difference.

And your MBA degree is like your engineering degree: as worthless as the paper it is written on. The MBA: the dime a dozen degree that costs too much.

And no one cares about your stupid job.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Monday, 4 January 2021 2:16:52 PM
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Dear Mr O,

Stop " cutting the cheese."
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 4 January 2021 2:53:02 PM
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Shadow Minister,

I call out your repeated raising and fetishisation of the girl and you respond by accusing me of sexualising her. As I have already said this is utter projection on your behalf as well as defensive posturing.

To follow on from Aiden's point.

“Scientific literacy is chiefly concerned with an understanding of the scientific method, units and methods of measurement, empiricism and understanding of statistics in particular correlations and qualitative versus quantitative observations and aggregate statistics, as well as a basic understanding of core scientific fields, such as physics, chemistry, biology, ecology, geology and computation.”

The fact that Thunberg clearly recognises, through exposure to the empirical evidence and statistics, that climate change is real and pronounced while you do not really says it all.

You had best try a differ tack, this one does you even less favours than most of the ones you have been on recently.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 4 January 2021 5:12:33 PM
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SR,

Once again you have completely cocked it up at many levels.

Firstly, you were the first on OLO to discuss Greta sexually which makes you a bit of a pervert.

Secondly, I am perfectly aware of the science and have never denied climate change is occurring due to CO2 emissions I have simply challenged the more manic claims that appear in some news articles and on OLO with regards the outcomes and renewable energy generation.

Finally, I seriously doubt that a 16yr old schoolgirl has been exposed to the empirical data and statistics, more likely to the activism of her radical parents.

So you can put your Greta sex doll away and focus on the issues without lying.
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 3:13:07 AM
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shonkyminister,

As you are the one claiming Steele is "a bit of a pervert" because he "(was) the first on OLO to discuss Greta sexually" You should be required to provide the evidence of that claim! DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE.

I know in many a discussion we have had, you would suddenly and unexplainably, divert to making references to "pedogreens" and some bod named Karl, or some such unknown person to me.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 6:00:30 AM
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Pauliar,

Read SteeleRetards post in this thread of

Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 3 January 2021 12:16:43 PM

Done and dusted.

Secondly, after some despicable insinuations by you against coalition members I gave you 2 instances of people nominated by the greens to stand for election one for council and one for federal parliament who were reported in the mainstream newspapers to have been arrested for high-level child porn/ abuse crimes.

Every now and then when you are being more loathsome than usual I need to remind you of the vile side of some of the members of the Greens.

"Karel Solomon, Greens member and former candidate, pleaded guilty to online grooming offences."

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/online-grooming-strike-force-trawler-undercover-police-expose-a-dark-world-20161215-gtc6oo.html

"A Greens candidate who ran against Scott Morrison at the last election has been granted bail after being accused of directing and watching the live abuse of a child in the Philippines online.

Key points:
Jonathan Doig has been involved in political activism since the 1980s
The AFP will allege he paid a known child exploitation facilitator in the Philippines
It's alleged Mr Doig exchanged child abuse material with a 13yo in the Philippines for months
Australian Federal Police (AFP) investigators searched Jonathan Doig's home at Gymea Bay in Sydney's south on Tuesday and seized a mobile phone, two laptops and a hard drive.

He was arrested and charged with three child abuse offences, including procuring a child to engage in sexual activity outside Australia."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-10/greens-candidate-jonathan-doig-chaged-with-child-sex-offences/12338828
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 6:35:26 AM
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shadyminister,

I will agree with you there. That is absolutely SICK.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 7:05:22 AM
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Shadow Minister,

This was the first time her name was raised in this thread, a thread mind you about Brexit.

“Your silly whining is even worse than that of the retarded Greta”

Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 30 December 2020 9:26:10 AM

Utterly out of the blue.

And it is hardly the first time you have done this is it?

When I challenged you with that old colloquialism about being “More slippery than a butcher's dick.” you replied:

“SR, You are more slippery than Greta's --.”

Posted by shadowminister, Saturday, 21 November 2020 4:07:06 AM

Than her what mate?

Just an open and shut case of you thinking of her in a sexual way well before I have finally taken you to task over it.

I had every right to pose the question given your infatuation has you repeatedly referencing her name in completely off topic threads.

Done and dusted indeed.

And sicker still because you appear to be firmly convinced of her retardation.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 11:59:42 AM
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SteeleRedux,

The shadyminister is getting worse than Rolf Harris on a bad day.

It's sad because I had so much hope for him, with his new king-of-the-kids office job and his shiny MBA in his back pocket he made such a dashing figure.

Main thing is Greta Thunberg has made her mark in the world. I could even go as far as to say she has become a sort of Jean d'Arc champion for environmental protection and climate change action.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 12:22:24 PM
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SteelRetarded,

Since there is no such saying as "slippery as a butcher's dick" I assumed that you had a penis fetish. I retorted that you were as slippery as Greta's -- leaving it incomplete to see where your mind went and as expected your lust for Greta took you to a dark place.

I would guess that you either have a Greta pillow or sex doll or both. In either case please stop trying to transfer your fetishes onto me. You need help.
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 2:58:55 PM
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Shadow Minister,

What a mendacious, simpering, crap response.

You have been completely exposed on this one. Your pathetic effort to rescue any sense of dignity or even just to turn it around is thoroughly cringe worthy. At least the Canadian mining company had the decency to fess up. Really is time just to walk away.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 3:20:25 PM
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Saint Greta.

What do you think shady?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 3:28:00 PM
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Since there is no such saying as "slippery as a butcher's dick" RUBBISH! shonkyminister, an Aussieism I heard when I was a kid. Gee, you must be well insulated up there in Sydney's 'Liberal Party Virus Cluster'.

You tried to say Steele was the first to raise Greta Thunberg, a climate change activists, she has sweet FA to do with a thread about Brexit. It was clearly YOU who mentioned Greta, a 16 young girl in a sexual context, how old are you fella? 87, Hasbeen's twin brother. You made continual references to "pedogreen" which was an inference against me of course, was something you raised continually out of the blue when it had nothing to do with the discussion. As for claiming it was a response to something I posted, then provide evidence.

You need to seek help before it gets out of hand.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 3:28:33 PM
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Yeah shadyminister.

Seriously, what is your problem?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 3:48:44 PM
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=as%20slippery%20as%20a%20butcher%27s%20prick

Just for shonkyminister. How are you going with the LIBERAL PARTY CLUSTER? See your mob from Snob Hill can go to the cricket, whilst the workers from western Sydney must stay locked up at home. Typical Liberal Party act.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 6:04:17 PM
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Steelretard,

Yes, you should walk away having exposed your fetish for teenage girls. You first brought it up and I will keep on reminding you of it.

Pauliar,

Not have I ever heard the expression "slippery as a butcher's dick" but no one I know has heard of it either. Perhaps you and SR picked it up in Juvie.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 8 January 2021 2:36:24 AM
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By the way, it is an NZ expression, not Aussie. That it is also somewhat obscene does not help SR's case.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 8 January 2021 3:14:12 AM
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shadyminister,

Irrespective of that you are still the one making indecent remarks against a teenage girl.

And don't keep giving us that "I'm an engineer; I'm just like a doctor" excuse.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Friday, 8 January 2021 6:58:25 AM
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Mr uneducated,

Just crawl back under your rock.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 8 January 2021 8:04:32 AM
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Shadow Minister,

You are a child. Go away until you have something mature to say.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 8 January 2021 1:38:14 PM
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SR,

You are a petulant old fart that can't even get his facts straight.

Go and play with your GT doll.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 8 January 2021 2:47:33 PM
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shonkyminister, maybe you are more familiar with some of the variations; "Slippery as an Arch Bishops dick" or "Slippery as a entertainers dick" Both the kinds of people you support and would be familiar with. Didn't father ever say that to you when you were an altar boy in the presbytery having a tipple of altar wine with the old reprobate.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 9 January 2021 6:47:31 AM
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shadyminister,

Who are you to call someone a petulant old fart?

After all, you're the one affectionately known around the office as 'Old Sh!t For Brains'.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Saturday, 9 January 2021 10:28:46 AM
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Pauliar,

My family not being aligned to the pedogreens or Catholic church as you were, were not familiar with such coarse language or being altar boys/sock puppets for the clergy as you were.

Mr uneducated, you were known as the Fwit at work that was so useless that he had to get some trivial art degrees so he could jerk off in the mirror.
Posted by shadowminister, Saturday, 9 January 2021 11:34:07 AM
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Yes I think Greta was perhaps marketed as a Joan Of Arc- I guess it is cultural approapriation of the French.
Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 9 January 2021 11:59:19 AM
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