Simon Birmingham's 'tough guy' announcement that Australia has appealed to the World Trade Organisation looks even more pathetic today as we learn that Australia has had a sugar dispute with India going on with WTO for two years. While India might eventually be persuaded to come to the party, China won't, as their defiance of the world court ruling on their illegal building of islands in the South China Sea proves.

In the meantime, a survey of 10 Western countries reveals that 76% have 'No Confidence At All' in President Xi. There is no knowing what the 1.4 billion non-party Chinese think of the man who had himself made President for life. But he needs to be looking over his shoulder all the time: there is only one way to be rid of a president for life.

Nothing will happen of course, but still we need to tick that box because it will appear in the history-books that will tell about world-war-3: "Australia has done its best to settle the conflict by peaceful means".

«there is only one way to be rid of a president for life.»

Yes, only prayer! America and the rest of the Western world are powerless against this monster and the oppressed Chinese people are helpless too, but still, God is much much bigger - compared with Him, Xi is not even an ant.

Yuyutsu,

What about death?

The China/PNG fishing base a stone’s throw from Australia has been met with the usual apathy that Australians have towards China and, it seems, any other threats to a country that they have taken for granted since people, most dead now, fought to protect 75 years ago.

The Chinese fishing fleet, another branch of the Chinese Communist Party, has just about fished out its own waters, and is now coming for ours. Xi Jinping has not only told China to “prepare for war”, he has ordered the CCP’s fishing fleet to “build bigger ships and venture further into the oceans and catch bigger fish”.

Why wouldn’t China block our lobster exports when it can steal them from us?

Two years ago the Lowy Institute warned of the CCP fishing fleet becoming as security threat for Australia. The Institute predicted that fishing would become a “key locus of disputes and incidents involving China”.

Two years later all we get from the Morrison government is that the Border Force will “monitor” the situation.

The Chinese fleet will also be monitoring us. In other areas of the world, they have been intimidating non-Chinese vessels, and armed naval vessels usually follow the fleet.

Fisheries in Chile, Columbia, Ecuador and Peru are being looted by the Chinese. Ecuador, which is deeply in debt to China, complains but can’t do a thing about it.

ttbn,

Talking about Chiner fishers this should interest you:

http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/chinas-aggressive-fishing-fleet-heading-for-australia-amid-trade-war/news-story/0175fe917c15096633b8b1bf6048522b

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-19/how-china-is-plundering-the-worlds-oceans/12971422

Dear Ttbn,

What about death?

What kind of death do you have in mind?

As humans we face too many unknowns.
Will Xi actually die, or would he be saved like Navalni?
Will the true Xi be killed or perhaps it would be some decoy/Kagemusha?
What about his "will"? Did he leave behind instructions that should he die, a deadlier virus is to be released that will destroy all human life? Or are nuclear missiles programmed to automatically launch if he dies?
Would he be considered a martyr?
Would another monster, replica or worse, come in his place?

Best have him killed by God, because God makes no errors and has no oversights. Our aim is to free China and the world from his horrors and oppression, rather than to kill the man. If God finds that the best way to achieve this is to have him die, then so it will, but perhaps it is even better to have him repent and reform, or perhaps there is some other solution that our limited minds cannot even conceive of.

God may, of course, inspire some of us to assassinate Xi as His instruments, that is a possibility, but let us listen deep within and hear His word first, should this indeed be the case, just let us not rush to it foolishly using our own petty human minds alone.

That foolish man considers himself to be God and persecutes all religions and the religious: God will surely listen to our prayers and save us - Let us pray with sincere humility that God frees us all from that menace.

Taking China to the WTO may not affect China's behaviour towards Aus, but considering the frequency with which China uses WTO rules to control the behaviour of others trading with China, having its non-compliance with the rules on display would at least be highly embarrassing and would weaken its trading positions with other countries.

China is feeling a backlash for the measures it has taken not least of which is a breakdown of trust and is likely to pay more for imports in the future as suppliers protect themselves and put other buyers ahead.

shadyminister,

CHINA DOESN'T GIVE A SH!T.

Get it! Savvy! Capisce!

Why do you keep apologising for China's actions? Other than that you belong in the pro-China camp or work for Huawei.

China is now expanding its nation-state territory to gobble up everything in its path and people like you keep kowtowing to it.

The only thing China fears most is forced containment that would thwart its annexational imperialist objectives.

Slow minded people like you still don't get it.

China "highly embarrassed". That's a good one! Some people still try to attribute the Chinese Communist Party with human feelings.

ttbn,

It usually comes from the people who have a vested interest in China's activities.

And there appears to be plenty of them on The Forum.

China is dragging the bottom of the South China Sea for clams, destroying coral reefs as they go. Not a peep from the sanctimonious environmentalists of course. In three years China has destroyed 28 reefs with this activity. This vandalism is quite deliberate: breaking up the coral makes the clams easier to get at. All captured by satellite images, as the arrogant, uncaring Chinese would well know. No "embarrassment" here, either

ttbn,

Why do you think I call them parasites?

Jared Diamond pointed that out in his book 'Collapse'.

He also said that environmental degradation was China's biggest export.

But who cares anymore? Have environmentalists gone underground because their fight to save the planet is now a hopeless one?

Mr. Opinion,

Have they gone underground? They seem still to be criticising their own kind often enough. They are, of course, too cowardly to criticise China, the biggest environmental vandal on Earth. Do you think that they are gearing up for a Chinese take-over, thinking that they will get special treatment when the time comes?

ttbn,

I'm an environmental sociologist.

Would you put me in the pro China camp?

Does that answer you question?

Swamp Donkey,

Every time you post you expose your ignorance. Unless the CCP leaders are complete morons they would care. They might try not to show it, but a loss at the WTO would weaken their trading position, and China is running out of friends.

shadyminister,

You tell us what you think not what you know.

You don't have a knowledge of the Arts things like history, sociology, anthropology, archaeology, philosophy, etc. needed to work these things out.

Stick to the engineering trade - it's where you belong.

Swamp donkey,

As a sub-standard engineer who has close to zero knowledge of history, sociology, anthropology, archaeology, philosophy, etc ignorance has not stopped you spouting your idiotic opinions with zero backing.

If you a universally uneducated redneck racist consider yourself a standard-bearer for the arts, then the arts are screwed.

shadyminister,

I have degrees in sociology, history, anthropology, and engineering.

The engineering degree was an absolute waste of time doing and like all engineering degrees not worth the paper it is written on.

It's obvious that you are a bitter man because you don't know anything about the Arts things like history, sociology, anthropology, archaeology, philosophy, etc.

Mr uneducated,

It looks like all your degrees were a waste. Perhaps you could ask for your money back.

shadyminister,

Why are you so upset about not having Arts degrees in things like history, sociology, anthropology, archaeology, philosophy, etc?

Just accept it that these are not your areas of knowledge.

You're just an engineer. You just have to accept it.

Mr uneducated,

Why are you so jealous of competent engineers that your inferiority drove you to do a series of worthless degrees learning nothing.

Gee - we are talking about degrees - or lack of - or of such relevance.

Is this what we are now reduced to?

We all know that China has monopolised the WTO - for decades.

They were invited in (so dumb by those in charge) in order to foster a working friendly alliances to World economies.

China obviously had an agenda of their own that Western authorities weren't "watching".

The World is now catching up, the question should be now - how do Western Nations respond to current trend?

Easy - if WHO haven't got the "balls" to call out origins of Covid-19
the rest of the World must join together in order to do so.

Why hasn't China provided WHO with "origins" of Covid-19?

If the World isn't watching China after Covid -19, and seeking compensation for destruction of a World's economy - who is?

SAINTS,

You reckon "Gee - we are talking about degrees - or lack of - or of such relevance. Is this what we are now reduced to?"

Only some of us are lucky enough to be able to do this. Why, are you feeling left out?

"Why hasn't China provided WHO with "origins" of Covid-19?".

Because, as you said, Saints, Communist China dominates WHO, and the head of the head of WHO is a Communist whose country is financed by Communist China.

China joint the World Trade Organisation 19 years ago, with the help of the US, the Western Trilateral Committee, David Rockefeller and conniving, greedy Westerners in general - the same people who are still pulling strings, and are too arrogant to admit that they the got it terribly wrong with China.

China could not have been the thuggish bully and threat to the world that it is today without the help of our very own greedy bastards.

ttbn,

Spot on!

If I had my way I would cancel the visas of all non-Australian Chinese and send them packing. Bunch of low-life scumbag parasites.

Mr 0,
I'd much rather have Chinese people here than racist scumbags like you!

Aidan,

Don't worry. When China takes over Australia you will have your wish.

Aidan,

And keep in mind that you belong to the pro-China camp.

Aidan,

Here's your friends in action:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_Massacre

And these are the sort of people you want us to support?

Aidan,

I don't think the Uyghurs are on your side:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-24/china-building-bigger-uyghur-detention-camps-in-xinjiang/12693338

PS I suppose you think the Uyghurs are racists too.

Aidan,

You are typical of the ignorant engineers I have become so familiar with over the years.

There is a saying: "Hate the sin, love the sinner".

Indeed hate China, but love the Chinese!

The Chinese people (excluding the CCP perpetrators of course) are the victims of China and it was [mainly] Chinese people who were massacred in Tiananmen square, hence they are our friends, brothers and sisters in distress.

The bible states:
"If a slave has taken refuge with you, do not hand them over to their master. Let them live among you wherever they like and in whatever town they choose. Do not oppress them." [Deuteronomy 23:15-16]

Mr 0,
>And keep in mind that you belong to the pro-China camp.

It's assumptions like that which show you to be an idiot! I don't belong to any camp, even though your prejudices result in you classifying me that way.

I've never (as far as I know) actually met anyone involved in the protests that the Tiananmen Square massacre ended, but as a Christian I'd be happy to count as a friend anyone who risks everything attempting to make their government accountable.

As for whether the Uighurs are on my side (and keeping in mind that my side is not what you idiotically assume it to be) you may already be right. The Chinese government's policy of locking them up in reeducation camps when they've done nothing wrong is deeply counterproductive. I'd rather China not split apart (it risks starting unnecessary wars) but President Xi may have made breakup inevitable.

Aidan,

It is the uneducated incompetent racists like Mr 0 that pollute this forum.

shadyminister,

Not liking China does not make me a racist.

But you using the racist card to dissuade people from not liking China makes me ask where your loyalty lies and I'm suspicious that you are a Chiner planted on The Forum as a voice for China.

I am definitely not uneducated. Having three Arts degrees makes me one of the most educated guys in the country. Unfortunately also having a BE is a bit of a black spot on my background.

I think you are uneducated because all of your degrees are only vocational degrees, not scholarly degrees. You don't know anything outside of being just an engineer.

PS Hope Santa brings you a new pair of overalls and a new toolbox for Xmas.

The China problem has nothing to do with race; all the waffle about Chinese immigrants and someone's pet Chinaman who grew vegetables on the outskirts of Bendigo is totally irrelevant to the threat of Communist China, although only a very naive person would say that we don't need to be very careful of Chinese students and recently arrived Chinese, many of whom do spy for the CCP; it's how the CCP operates.

Calling anyone 'racist' and apologising for Communism is, to say the least, stupid; at worst, it throws doubt on your loyalty to Australia.

shadyminister,

Santa wants to know what type of overalls you prefer for Xmas: bib-and-brace overalls or dungarees?

Mr uneducated,

Your undisguised hatred of Chinese people is what makes you a racist and bigot.

shadyminister,

My fear of the threat posed by China and it's agents such as yourself make me critical of the Chinese.

Shadow Minister said- Mr uneducated, "Your undisguised hatred of Chinese people is what makes you a racist and bigot."

Answer- But the fact he focuses on what they are "doing" means that he isn't.

Anyway I don't have a problem with being called a racist or a bigot- except for the baggage that has developed along with the concept- the fact that those labelled as racist and bigoted can be cancelled and blanked and denied their means of survival- I believe that everyone are racist and bigoted in a sense.

I believe that every culture deserves their own nation- is that bigoted and racist when you view it from 'on high'.

I guess that you just want to bury me up to the neck and run me over with a lawn mower- not for taking your job- not for hurting your family- but just for disagreeing with you- good on you.

The Dalai Lama says that Europe is for the European's- I guess you would call him a racist and a bigot too. How enlightened you must be to see the splinter in my eye

Anyway a lot of this immigration started increasing when John Howard started having problems on the docks from memory- so it's a lot to do with keeping wages down. MBA's study the political risk of countries- perhaps this is why John Howard and others believed that we can win in a direct business contest with India or China. We will never be able to directly out compete China or India- that path will be the end of Australia- is that what you want- who's racist now?

Both India and China have land areas similar to Australia- but yet they want to come here- why? This is the same reason why we don't want them here.

There will always be opportunists that try to exploit situations for their own benefit- there is also loyalty to your heritage.

The study of economics is the study of scarce resources- there are also those that waste those scarce resources and then beg for more- calling those that are responsible evil- a tantrum because they don't get what they want. There are companies that deserve profit because they serve the nation making it stronger- there are others that exploit the nation so that the nation is weaker.

Australia is the little kid in the school yard- and India and China are big fat kids who want Australia's pocket money- the difference is that they don't just want his pocket money they want his life- the teachers don't care- just another speed bump in their life.

This little kid doesn't want to take China or India's stuff but I'll be damned if I will give up what's mine. Even if my own people have betrayed me.

Canem Malum,

You need to keep in mind that there are Chinese agents operating on The Forum who aim at promoting the image of the Chinese as not being a threat to Australia.

I believe that the shadyminister, Foul-Mouth, and their ilk belong to that group.

As soon as someone is critical of the Chinese they will immediately pull out the race card to discredit anti-Chinese comments.

Canem Malum,

I'm not the only one who is aware of Chinese infiltration:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50541082

But the shadyminister, Foul-Mouth, Foxy, Aidan, etc. want you to see this as a racist attack against the Chinese.

No, Mr 0, I don't see that as a racist attack against the Chinese.
What I see as racist is your with to deport people from Australia just because they're Chinese.

Only people of low intelligence resort to calling people racists, Nazis etc. No arguments, so they resort to personal abuse. If they hope to embarrass people, they fail. They embarrass themselves. They are also too thick to realise Mr. Opinion is an accomplished piss-taker. He probably has a degree in the art of taking the piss.

ttbn,

You forgot to mention that I'm better at giving than receiving.

To Mr Opinion-

I wonder if they get suspicious foreign amounts appearing in their banks accounts or if they're paid in favours.

Mr Opinion- I read the link- interesting.

Mr uneducated,

I have been extremely critical of the CCP and its aggressive tendencies in the South China sea and other places. You, however, have targeted those of Chinese extraction living in Australia simply because of their ancestry which makes you a racist redneck.

In 2022, most Australians will still vote for the people responsible for sucking up to China, and giving the CCP every reason to think that Australia is theirs for the taking.

LNP, Labor, Greens - it makes no difference; they are all in it for themselves, power and money.

Shadowminister said-

"Mr uneducated, I have been extremely critical of the CCP and its aggressive tendencies in the South China sea and other places. You, however, have targeted those of Chinese extraction living in Australia simply because of their ancestry which makes you a racist redneck."

Answer-

You might ask some questions-

1. When does immigration become a tool of geopolitics?
2. When does immigration become an unacceptable burden on the host culture?
3. When does immigration become a tool of cultural hedgemony?

4. When does immigration become invasion?

There are some influential people who don't want us to ask these questions.

My answers include…

1. the Australian people have a right to say enough- despite what others would say, think or accuse them of. Whether it's racism or anything else. They even have a right to be racist if that's what they believe is in their self interest.

2. Immigration is not in the interest of the British Australian people that founded the Australian nation.

3. They must think that Australian people are stupid to fall for such an obvious attempt to take their resources. Perhaps we are but we are waking up.

4. Business people want to bring people in to lower wage costs and keep growth high- to some extent the business system is self reinforcing and takes a life of it's own- and is not necessarily completely the fault of the practitioners- but the indoctrinated practitioners (like those that believe in the Business Management Theory of Taylorism- interchangeable cogs in the machine) are to blame for closing their eyes- they should know better- but they accuse us of being racists for trying to stop them distorting the labour market (and the culture) in many ways by immigration- they put the business system above culture- the business system is a tool we need to take control of this system and make it serve us- rather than we serving it

5. There are some that believe by "making everyone brown" they can stop wars and conflict in the world- Marx as I understand believed this- and so do many Socialists- and believe that this "belief in the right" gives them the right to tell others what to do.

My people are not brown and I want my people to survive- My peoples are British we often have Red or Fair Hair and Blue Eyes these are recessive traits we must protect them. Languages are being wiped out too- many languages only speakers are over 60 years old.

Our knowledge of the brain is limited so we don't really understand at least in popular culture how phenotypes (physical characteristics) relate to meme-o-types.

6. Mass Immigration is a recent thing in terms of the span of history there are people that want to change the world- and in their impatience with the necessary step of convincing people- they tyrannize them instead. Sadly they make the mistake of believing that only they know the answer- and justify their tyranny- this is what perhaps happened in Russia and China- and led to millions of deaths.

7. There are foreign interests that want to dilute a culture to weaken it for their own advantage.

It's fascinating that those that want to destroy culture and people are doing it in the name of culture and people. We all need borders- people need their personal space, families need their home and family issues are their own, similar to that of the community, region, nation. We have a choice who we want to interact with- for whatever reason. But there is a step where reason passes into tyranny- perhaps when you are forced to obey someone else's reason and thoughts and give up your own traditions.

These are not complete lists.

Every culture should have there own nation- the Chinese have their own nation- they have Chinatowns in many parts of the world- they have made a significant impact in places such as Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore- there is deep unhappiness with the local population as to these changes.

Communism has unsettled many within China and caused many to flee- many countries have generously offered to help Chinese fleeing as well as peoples of other nations- Australia included but Australia has its own diaspora the British Australian diaspora- generosity shouldn't be used to beat more generosity out of the donator. The Chinese diaspora needs to take back it's country from the tyranny that has separated them from their ancestral home and culture- not Tyrannize someone else's home- take away someone else's culture.

Generosity has a limit- we have let immigration go too far- many thought this would only be temporary- only a few- now there are too many for too long- we need to act to send people away as humanely as possible. We have our own destiny- we don't want our identity subsumed into the world but in partnership with it- to create the greater glory of humanity- a bigger pie.

We can't help everyone- sometimes people need to help themselves. Philosopher Peter Singer believes that we shouldn't refuse to help people because they are far away- I haven't been convinced by this decoupling generosity from distance.

Australia has been one of the most generous countries of the world per capita.

You might call British Australian's racist but The British have long believed in common sense.

The essential reason for scarce resources in many cases is too many people in the world.

Accusations of racism are interesting in the blame game of international population and the struggle for resources and power.

Ttbn said - "In 2022, most Australians will still vote for the people responsible for sucking up to China, and giving the CCP every reason to think that Australia is theirs for the taking.

LNP, Labor, Greens - it makes no difference; they are all in it for themselves, power and money."

Answer- ttbn- We need to let Australian's know there are other alternatives to these parties. Despite the decimation of the Australian Conservatives and Cory Bernardi there are still a few groups working to manage immigration better. Hopefully these groups will be able to field candidates and get support during polling. It's difficult to get candidates for these groups because they are subject to a number of risks including as I understand leftist groups picketing outside their homes and their employment.

I've found that many voters are receptive to the issues of immigration. Many are fearful of the 'racist' label- I encourage them to embrace the labels of their enemies/ haters/ whatever you want to call them...

I was advised and surprised recently that members of the Liberal Party that were concerned about immigration generally had their membership cancelled- concerning if true- but I think the Liberal party is still better than the bottom of the barrel Labor and even worse the Greens.

I believe there are still some in the Liberal Party that haven't completely capitulated to fear of globalised political correctness and business interests

Canem Malum,

Too late to worry now because the enemy is already inside the gate.

Tony Abbott's China-Trade Agreement and the mass migration of Chinese into Australia over to past few decades are our Trojan Horse.

It's just a matter of time before China launches a massive invasion in a manner that is similar to the invasion of SE Asia and the Pacific by Japan in 1941/42.

To Mr Opinion-

You are correct of course- though you don't need me to say it.

But please excuse me if I continue to try to fix it- maybe the destruction of Australia will awaken the other countries of the world to reality- putting them on more of a defensive war footing.

Australian's will probably need to find a way to move to another Western country- they will possibly have their assets confiscated.

Kicking the can down the road seems to have led to us losing our bed and farm.

It's strange that avoiding conflict often leads to conflict.

We should have done more to protect Australia and our culture- no one else will protect us but us.

China will probably have Australian Governors for a while... it will make the transition appear peaceful.

Canem Malum,

China needs Australia for its resources, not it people.

It will be the politicians, bureaucrats and business people who will be held responsible.

And I will get to say "I TOLD YOU SO." ............ Again! Which will really upset those in the pro-China camp like Foul-Mouth, Foxy, mhaze, the shadyminister, Chris Lewis, etc.

"I've found that many voters are receptive to the issues of immigration"..... and CM on behalf of which political organisation, or party have you found that many voters are receptive to the issues of immigration? Unless you raise a specific issue with voters, such as immigration voters who do want to speak, generally want to have a say more about issues effecting them personally.

Dear Canem Malum,

I am disappointed to see you joining Mr. Opinion in raising the white flag.

There will indeed be hardships and tribulations, but we shall prevail.

We are not alone. This is not a war between races and cultures, but of good against evil, about our freedom of all religions to worship God versus the ungodly demands of a cruel arrogant man to be worshiped as God.

The dragon will be slain while good Chinese people should be able to continue to peacefully pursue their culture just like the rest of us.

To Yuyutsu- We come from very different worlds. But there are ideologies that threaten all of them. Some of them perhaps affect your world more than mine. Your 'dragons' and heroes are not mine- but there are times when working together is necessary for the common good. But battle is often a time when 'friendly enemies' can be slain. It's a wise general that respects his enemies and his friends.

At the end of the day there is always the nuclear option- the world needs less people to reduce resource struggles- but no one gives up power willingly. How ever the Roman Governor model does.

During WWII we thought our enemy was Hitler and Japan- after the war we realised the threat of Communism that still exists today- WWII lasted for 7 years- the Cold War in a sense never ended still going 70 years on.

Canem Malum,

We have passed the 5.6 billion sustainable world population mark (1986) but we shouldn't look for solutions to overpopulation in the horrors of war.

I think (and I'm not the only one) that we are in the early phase of a mass extinction event this century when overpopulation, diminishing fresh water and food, and adverse climates all come together to make life on our planet no longer viable for most of humankind.

And of course this dilemma will probably be worsened by the breakout of global conflicts (World War 3) as nations scramble to control essential resources in a struggle for survival.

Foul-Mouth, Foxy, and the rest in the pro-China camp will be upset if this goes through:

http://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/canberra-considers-axing-victorian-research-agreement-with-china-20201217-p56oiz.html

China is becoming more aggressive everyday and Foul-Mouth, Foxy, and others in the pro-China camp want us to turn a blind eye to the Chinese.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/as-chinas-military-activity-rises-what-is-xi-jinpings-2021-master-plan/news-story/e09df69d24cc4007776d01feab3e1972

China is certainly capable trying military aggression against the West; but there have been some interesting reports about the PLA concerning:

Poor management
Poor skills
Faulty equipment
The largest bribes received, not the best quality, for purchasing equipment
Tanks with starting problems in cold weather
Guns going bang, but nothing coming out of the barrel
Poor education and technical knowledge of troops.

ttbn,

Maybe that's why China and Russia came out just over a week ago to announce their defensive/offensive pact. (Stalin was in a militarily weak position vis-a-vis Hitler when he signed the Germano-Russian pact that resulted in the invasion of Poland. Hmmm ....... What worked for Stalin might just work for Xi?)

Or should we turn a blind eye as Foul-Mouth, Foxy, and others in the pro-China camp would like us to do?

Chris Lewis says we shouldn't worry because it is only the machinations of the Chinese Communist Party but he tries to delude us into thinking that the CCP is just a handful of old codgers instead of 91 million politicians who are actively supported by over 800 million Chinese nationalists who will fight to the death for their ancestral homeland.

Who fights to the death for their homeland? The Germans never did so for Hitler's Germany. The Japanese never did so for their empire under Hirohito. So why would the Chinese nation-state do so under Emperor Xi?

So we've got nothing to worry about. It's all so simple. So let's all close our eyes and bury our heads in the sand just like Foul-Mouth, Foxy and Chris Lewis suggest and just keep building up our numbers of non-Australian Chinese.

Mr Opinion responded on 23 December

"You reckon "Gee - we are talking about degrees - or lack of - or of such relevance. Is this what we are now reduced to?"

Only some of us are lucky enough to be able to do this. Why, are you feeling left out?"

Response to post - apologies for delay (scammers) - no I don't feel left out at all.

Aussies must join with with all Western Alliances in unity against China's manipulation of trade.

What then, is the worth of a "free trade agreement"?

Canem Malum - you state

"During WWII we thought our enemy was Hitler and Japan- after the war we realised the threat of Communism that still exists today- WWII lasted for 7 years- the Cold War in a sense never ended still going 70 years on."

Response - correct.

Since China was admitted into WTO it has continued to monopolise same, however the "big world powers" continue to permit such monopoly - Why?

The South China sea - via International Court was deemed a "free passage" for World trade - not so by China who have completely ignored such rule...... and building their own structures.

So my question being - how can a country total ignore a High Court judgment.

Why also are Chinese students in Australia at Universities "monitored" by China?

Why are there certain "com cars" - as reported via Australian newspapers - checking on Aussie Chinese students.'

Any Chinese student in Australia - must "bend" to China's code and not able to have a "voice" in Australia to protest any China issue, lest their family members are watched or detained.

Yes we have a Free Trade Agreement with China, however since the China Wuhan Virus (released across the World) and Australia seeking an "independent" inquiry (including many other countries) as to origins of same, Australia has had increased tariffs imposed on many goods from Australia.

CDC in America in 2018 advised China that Wuhan Laboratory not up to standard. Readers go back and check information.

In 2019 Wuhan Lab closed for two weeks during August/September 2019 with no telephone connection - why. Research for yourself.

Medical staff advised China prior to December 2019 as to a "virus strain". The WHO weren't advised until much later Jan/Feb. - Research for yourself.

I have so many other questions....still unanswered.

China state that they will be World Leaders by 2028 - if that's so, Australia and the rest of the world will be in serious trouble, and need to take action now.

Thanks for your feedback Saints.

Thanks for your feedback Saints.

Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 30 December 2020 8:19:42 PM

Response - maybe - just maybe we, (and) all Australians and Government agencies need to wake up.

It's not as if there no amount of evidence as to my previous text.

Seriously

wow, MR O had a go at summarising my thoughts.

What a clown you are Mr O.

To Saints- Thanks for your post Saints- you made some interesting comments. China is definitely a concern- as is their "debt diplomacy"- Asio is aware of the problem- at the end of the day there is only so much individuals can do- I'm just a little yellow bird singing my song in the dark night. I am always trying to learn more to understand things in the world- the subtle things- the broad strokes. So much to see- so much to talk with people about- so little time. Take care Saints.

To Chris Lewis- Good to see you back.

To Ttbn- I'm sure that Chinese weaponry will become rapidly better.

Mr Opinion said- "Canem Malum, We have passed the 5.6 billion sustainable world population mark (1986) but we shouldn't look for solutions to overpopulation in the horrors of war. I think (and I'm not the only one) that we are in the early phase of a mass extinction event this century when overpopulation, diminishing fresh water and food, and adverse climates all come together to make life on our planet no longer viable for most of humankind. And of course this dilemma will probably be worsened by the breakout of global conflicts (World War 3) as nations scramble to control essential resources in a struggle for survival."

Answer- Yes war is bad but sometimes necessary- if there is an alternative good. Yes I agree that a mass extinction event is increasingly likely- or rolling famine- something has to break when maintenance is lax. Yes war and the struggle for essential resources- breakdown of productive manufacturing capacity- the standard problems of war- the reinforcements not arriving in time

These are interesting...

George Hageman is a bit too much of "a dove" but I like him.

http://militaryhistorypodcast.blogspot.com/2006/11/propaganda.html

http://militaryhistorypodcast.blogspot.com/2008/03/philosophy-of-war-1.html

http://militaryhistorypodcast.blogspot.com/2008/04/philosophy-of-war-2.html

Callum you wrote =

To Saints- Thanks for your post Saints- you made some interesting comments. China is definitely a concern- as is their "debt diplomacy"- Asio is aware of the problem- at the end of the day there is only so much individuals can do- I'm just a little yellow bird singing my song in the dark night.

Response - You say China is definitely a concern - as is their debt diplomacy - so what has their debt status relevant to any free trade
agreement within Australia - or maybe, just maybe we talking here of the Belt and Road agreement in Vic.

Would you care to comment?

Whilst we - as Aussies (and the World) are asking you to "open your view as to

Callum

Oops - re last post.

"Whilst we - as Aussies (and the World) are asking you to "open your view as to" ....

Apologies to Callum - this portion of post not meant for this forum.

Canem you wrote to previous poster (Apologies also for my mis-spelling your name in my previous post)

Answer- Yes war is bad but sometimes necessary- if there is an alternative good. Yes I agree that a mass extinction event is increasingly likely- or rolling famine- something has to break when maintenance is lax. Yes war and the struggle for essential resources- breakdown of productive manufacturing capacity- the standard problems of war- the reinforcements not arriving in time.

Your quote - I ask the question to response to poster that - Yes war is bad but sometimes necessary".

My response being why is ANY WAR NECESSARY IN THE 21ST CENTURY, we - as human beings of any origin, religion, colour or ethnicity are entirely over it......and must continue to speak out.....