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Australian Nuclear Deterrent Submarines

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CORRECTION:

"a trillion" + 1

:)
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 22 November 2020 7:31:15 PM
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plantagenet,

What's the 1 for?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 22 November 2020 8:50:57 PM
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"And the Chinese won't need any coercion from their leaders to take up arms against Australia in defence of the wrongs that Australia has done to China"

Why would the Chinese want to defend the wrongs done against them?
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 23 November 2020 9:55:13 AM
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Mr Opinion

NTK amigo :)

http://www.abbreviations.com/NTK
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 23 November 2020 1:35:07 PM
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An article I just wrote (with GhalibKabir) on my blog:

"Quadrilateral: Networked Defence Against Chinese Military Advances" of 23 Nov 2020 at http://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2020/11/quadrilateral-networked-defence-against.html :

The Quadrilateral Security Dialogue, between the US, India, Japan and Australia, is steadily forming a vital networked defence structure in response to China's growing military power in the Indo-Pacific.
(Map courtesy Wikipedia).

The US is still the vital cog in the Quad. This is because the geographically, culturally and linguistically diverse nature of the Quad, tends to weaken it against centrally commanded, Chinese forces.

To redress this weakness increased all services, exercise, interactions of Quad members is vital, as well as common weapons, procedures and broader use of English whenever possible. English is very widely spoken in India, the US and Australia. Knowledge of English in Japan is improving.

In initial response to Pete’s perhaps extravagant claim that far in the future Australia and France may have a nuclear propelled/nuclear weapon submarine deal GhalibKabir made excellent comments on November 20, 2020. The Quad is a regionally useful arrangement at hand ie. very soon, rather than Australia-France Nuclear, which would be way down the track.

GhalibKabir comments:

“Not unless the Quadrilateral or whatever can walk the talk. Else, Australia will not get a nuclear SSN fleet as a [French K15 reactor] LEU based fleet needing refueling every 7-10 years is a costly thing to sink US$ 100-200 billion into.

Unless SIGINT collaboration, Undersea collaboration including bigger IUSS backed by UUV and UAV coordination materializes tangibly, the PLA will keep having an open field.

Most importantly, in case there are serious risks of flare-ups, unless there is serious signalling to China in terms of assured retaliation in terms of [Electronic Warfare?] EW response, [anti-satellite] ASAT retaliations on Chinese satellite constellations etc. China will brush this away like an elephant swatting away a fly.

To use underwater as an illustration, this is what it will take to make China take things seriously in the Indian Ocean and SCS

1. SIGINT/ELINT sats linked up across to P-8s, E-2Ds, RQ-4s/UAVs etc across from India to Australia

SEE WHOLE ARTICLE AT http://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2020/11/quadrilateral-networked-defence-against.html
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 23 November 2020 1:42:18 PM
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Pete,

I note Sco Mo is in dreamland today, asking US not to draw smaller countries into strategic conflict with China.

Poor Sco Mo, he appears to have no understanding about IR.

Australia, and many other countries, are going to be expected to play their part.

As should be the case given what the CCP stands for.
Posted by Chris Lewis, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 10:46:59 AM
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