I know that modelling has a bad rep, given the errors and lies about climate change and the like; but it will always be with us, and the latest concerns the budget from the government that gave us the China virus recession.

This one comes from the Institute of Public Opinion, a group no better or worse than other think tanks. They estimate that:

Gross Commonwealth government debt will peak at $2.05 trillion in 2045.

Gross Commonwealth government debt will not be paid off until the year 2080.

A Budget Surplus will not return until 2046.

A big problem for the kids and grandkids of the future, as the government tries to buy its way to re-election, having trashed the economy with its China virus panic and over-reaction. The debit is about double our GDP.

"The devastating lockdown measures have caused a humanitarian tragedy, and the debt Australia has gone into to pay for them will last generations,” says the IPA.

Tough times ahead - again, thanks to the drones you keep voting for.

I think some of the debt levels will be written off in coming years, by agreement.

This will be more likely in times of higher inflation and interest rates, when repayments become harder.

But the silly game we have now will keep going for a while yet, and those urging higher spending will probably win out as Aussie govts will merely keep saying our debt is lower than most others.

Whoopee do

the gw fraud and the hysterics over the China flu has shown that our education system has dumbed down the masses to the extent that Western Civilisation as we know it will not exist in 20 years. Either God will wrap up the age or China will be the dominate power. One way or another people will be looking for a Saviour to get us out of the stupid self inflicted mess Governments and academia has imposed on us. God must be laughing and crying at the god deniers total stupidity.

Ttbn,

A bit naive: no, total government debt will never be completely paid off, and there isn't any strong reason to do so. It's more a question of whether or not the debt is manageable, depending on many factors, such as the level of economic activity, the long-term inflation rate and long-term international interest rates.

Morrison and Frydenberg are not idiots: they have had to balance up the compulsions of the epidemic with the costs, short-term and long-term, of remedying that crisis. The Institute of Public Affairs seems to make too light, in my view, of the human costs of this epidemic, and the ease with which governments can control it.

Joe

Ttbn: If you think climate change models are full of errors and lies, why not think this prediction, also based on modelling, is also full of errors and lies?

Why are you rejecting worst case scenarios for climate change, but panicking about this worse case prediction for future debt?

What if there's a post-covid boom, as happened after WW2, when governmemt debt was huge? The UK only recently, in 2006, paid off its wartime debt to the USA; its economic problems seem to have got worse since then!

The results of modelling depend heavily on the assumptions made, and this is just another case of Garbage In, Garbage Out.
Indeed that's probably overestimating its significance, because what's being modelled (gross Commonwealth government debt) is utterly trivial. So it's GIGOGM:

That's garbage in, garbage out, garbage modelled!

runner,

Your 20 year prediction sounds about right. The West has lost the will to live and the Christian beliefs behind Western values.

Cossomby,

It might be as wrong as the climate change models. I didn't say I believed this one or not. You do know the meaning of '?' do you not? There is a difference between the economy and climate change though; humans can't influence natural phenomena, but they the can do something about the economy. It's just that, these days, voters will not allow governments to do what they should do: cut spending. And, of course, the lock downs and trashing of jobs due to the China virus was unforgivable.

On the climate change models - they have been proved to be utter nonsense by time, even though the lies continue. We will have to see what happens with the IPA prediction, which might be right or wrong; nonsense too.

And, I am not panicking about future debt. I look after my own finances. I don't need Big Brother to mollycoddle me; I'm just fine, just as most of my generation are and will continue to be. It is also OK for me and anyone else not to be concerned about climate change, which is happening anyway, but which is clearly not the problem the fear mongers would have us believe

The suggestion that some of the debt might be forgiven raises the question;
By Whom ?
From where did we borrow the credit ?
If China was forgiving some of it, I ask you to remember Sri Lanka.
or perhaps by then remember Victoria !
Is the information on the source of the funds known ?

Cossomby, perhaps ttbn has enough math to be actually follow the so called science.

In such a case he would know for sure that CO2 can not ever do even 15% of what the warmists want to claim it will/can.

If you don't believe him, perhaps you could do a couple of years study of math, & if bright enough, follow the science yourself.

Incidentally, I wonder just what all this borrowing is doing to the savings value of those who have a few grand in the bank?

What no one ever answers regarding the gw scam is that if burning coal was such an evil deed why no one ever protests outside the Chinese and Indian embassies as they forge ahead with coal fired plants. Maybe the modelling tells them that it would be fruitless and they might even finish in a re education camp. Now that might be a good thing for the gw cultist.

Well Hasbeen the scientists at Turku and Kobe Universities claim that
human produced co2 amounts to 0.1 deg C of the warming in the last 100 years.
The rest is due to the sun.

A Budget Surplus will not return until 2046.
ttbn,
That's just irrelevant gobbledeegook to me because none of these "Experts" can possibly fore-tell what other disasters are looking for a place to happen at a moment's notice.
I'm certain that the people of Beirut never planned for their warehouse to blow sky-high ! Just as I'm sure that they had "Experts" telling them that by year so-and-so things will look up just before the warehouse disaster.
Only twelve months ago, none of the World's "experts" told us to ready ourselves for COVID-19.
Planning for years ahead is old-fashioned managing now. Today & tomorrow must be planned for but next year or next decade is best left until two days before ! In my area, we just had a massive bush fire but after the disastrous fires of earlier this year, no-one has learnt that back-burning could have prevented the fires of a few days ago. People just won't learn & refuse to take responsibility yet heap blame on everyone else at the slightest opportunity !
We should plan ahead as families but as far as Govts go, long-term is no longer wise.
We need to plan for an economy of no plan !

The same researcher has spoken out again today, saying:

"The only path out of this catastrophic debt situation is for the Morrison government to pursue real liberal reforms based on reducing the size of government and allowing the private sector to flourish".

Note "reducing the size of government", and be aware that since March this year, public sector jobs have increased by around 20,000 while there are a million private sector workers who have been flung out of work because of government panic and incompetence regarding the China virus.

These public servants, including the ones in the ABC, have been touting lockdowns resulting in job losses, while they, the public servants, are immune and actually receiving pay rises.

'These public servants, including the ones in the ABC, have been touting lockdowns resulting in job losses, while they, the public servants, are immune and actually receiving pay rises.'

spot on ttbn

The LNP in Western Australia are all upset. The McGowan Labor government has announced a small $1.2 billion surplus for the year, the only government, state or federal, to do so. The LNP are jumping up and down, wanting to know why there is no deficit! You see the LNP are very big on deficits these day, with the Morrison recession his little treasure Josh Friedbrain is racking up a beauty of a debt for the next generation, and the one after that etc etc to pay off. The LNP's new mantra is "Everyone loves a deficit!"

BTW, Josh has several hundred mugs he wants to flog to LNP mugs for a billion dollar each, they read "Surplus in 2020". If any LNP mugs want to get suckered then pay up now.

ttbn, before the last election you were touting the wonders of the Corny Banana Conservative party, claiming membership, and being a cash contributor, also pounding the pavement in support of dear Corny. Tell the readers how that all panned out?

thanks to the drones you keep voting for.
ttbn,
Well, yes but they're merely trying to keep the drongos quiet !

ABC Radio did a little survey yesterday in North Qld as to which way way people will vote since COVID-19 at the State election in November.
There were people who said they'll vote Labor because of the way the COVID-19 situation was handled & others said they'll Vote LNP because of how the situation was handled !
My guess is that all those in favour of Labor are Public Servants who never lost anything & those who vote LNP are in private enterprise who lost a lot.
ABC Radio did of course not draw attention to which industry the callers worked in !
A typical ABC survey.

But Indy you're a public servant, you're paid by the public, but provide no service. You lost nothing, in fact you got a $1500 bonus. How generous the public are, so I take it you are a Labor voter. Fat chance!

Paul1405,
I get paid for what I've already delivered. Do you ?

"ABC Radio did a little survey yesterday...".

Anything from the ABC is suspect. Besides, people will vote the way they always vote, except for the 5% of swinging voters who are the only people who change governments.

I'm not voting for anyone in the lower house, as was the case at the last election. I, and other conservatives, have been disenfranchised. There is no longer a conservative party in Australia, thanks to Turnbull and Morrison. I'll be ignoring the two leftist parties and looking for independent candidates in the Senate who just might be able get some sanity back into Australian politics - a huge ask, I know, but at least I won't have Tweedledum ot Tweedledee on my conscience.

The big-spending/borrowing budget is the same as the Labor party would have come up with, again showing the lack of difference between the Coalition and Labor. Terry McCrann has gone further, not merely calling it a Labor budget, but a Labor budget on steroids. The deficit incurred will be four times larger than the one Wayne Swann horrified the country with!

We are seeing an increase in spending of $200 billion, which McCrann describes as "extraordinary". This budget knocks the big spending of the Whitlam years right out this world.

Of course Labor, seeing its toxic socialism being overtaken by the Coalition, has to jump up and down and say that despite the killer spending, there is still not enough spent on women!

Instead of punting for the Coalition or Labor this election, Australians should be refusing to support either of them.

The Labour plan for the electrical grid seems loverly but I suspect
from the language someone does not know what they are talking about.
The grid in the eastern states is not big enough to take advantage of
the available wind systems. It must be connected to the Western grid
and that will have to be upgraded. There was no mention of that.
Is Australia big enough ?
It might be but the task I suspect would be a world first.
It has to be able to collect power from anywhere and everywhere and
send it to the places with the larger demands.
All while chasing the varying wind around the continent and the sun
across the sky, while dodging cloud formations.
Can it REALLY be done ?

Just watching the start of the Baader Meinhof Gang movie, it is painfully obvious that the World of the Uni student has not kept pace with common sense.
Indoctrination works the exact wrong way !

BTW, plenty of LIberals watch and listen to the ABC.

Chris Lewis,
Yeah, have you ever heard me say ALL Conservatives have sense ? Don't think having insipid dills in the party is solely the left's domain !

I woke up to see the ABC's 'DRUM' a couple of days ago so, I watched for about 5 minutes & changed channel, it became unbearable to listen to these gits !
If I had my way I'd sack Leigh Sales, Patricia Caravellis & several of the pro-gay, anti-common sense activists. These people aren't even disguising the fact that they have a full-blown agenda to ruin the Coalition whilst we're paying them rather handsomely.
Btw. Chris, how much is someone like the aforementioned getting paid ? Shouldn't the Australian taxpayer know that ?

"BTW, plenty of LIberals watch and listen to the ABC".

Do they? How do you know? What is a Liberal? Is a Liberal a member of the Liberal party, or just someone who votes Liberal? Most Australians do not identify with any political party. They are not interested in politics and generally vote because it is compulsory to turn up at the polling booth.

The Liberal party is a truly 'liberal' party; it is not conservative and, if you look at its history, you will find it was started to actually escape conservatism - was always liberal, hence its name. Bob Menzies was a clever and very literate man, a lover of the English language. If he wanted a conservative party he would not have had it called the Liberal Party. Malcolm Turnbull knew this, and felt at liberty to act accordingly. He got the job because a majority of the party's politicians thought the same way. Morrison's prime ministership came about for the same reason.

Anybody thinking that the Australian Liberal Party is in any way conservative is either an extreme, raving lefty, or someone too lazy or disinterested to think for himself or herself.

There are of course people who are personally conservative, and might even vote Liberal because they believe it is a little to the right of Labor, who watch the ABC, but only so they have something to complain about. Their complaints are entirely irrelevant and boring. We will never have politicians in power who have the interest or the will to defund the ABC, and most of them fall over themselves to be interviewed by the likes of Leigh Sales.

The lack of interest - and therefore the difficulty of labelling individuals as Liberals, Laborites, Greens etc. - in politics in Australia is revealed in the paucity of party member membership.

Membership figures for political parties by voters in Australia are roughly: ALP, 53,000; Liberal, 50,000; Greens, 15,000. One Nation and other parties could share the one telephone box.

The number of eligible voters on the roll in 2019 was, 16,567,519, most of whom vote for one of the only two parties they think can do something for them - irrespective of how those parties describe (or lie about) themselves.

Given the fast-disappearing differences between these two, Australians will become even more non-political and label-free.

The key question for policy makers is whether the level
of support for the economically and social disadvantaged
is adequate. Timing the re-awakening of the Australian
economy from the prolonged state of hibernation is also
critical.

The Melbourne Institute has found that 60% of Australians
report being moderately satisfied with the government's
economic policies to support jobs and keep people at work
and more than 80% expect the impact of the pandemic to last
longer. Around 30% feel financially stressed while 40%
responded feeling financially comfortable.

It's a mixed bag. And something understandably provides
stress especially in places like Victoria where the
restrictions are only slowly being eased. However, when
you look at the alternatives being see in other countries
most Australians are happy with their government's
response to date. Hopefully this will continue into the
future.

cont'd ...

As for the question of the ABC and SBS?

According to Independent Australia news sources -
"The ABC and SBS Australia's public broadcasters
serve a vital function. Guided by charters and with
funding models not wholly reliant on high ratings and
advertising revenue, they provide something that can't
be guaranteed by the commercial broadcasters..."

Their funding models allow for innovation and risk taking
which is vital in a creative industry. As a result the ABC
and SBS have produced some of the best Australian TV
programs. Shows that would have never been created
by the commercial networks such as - Frontline, Mother and
Son, SesChange, Gruen, The Movie Show, Go Back To Where
You Came From, to name a few.

In relation to news and current affairs the ABC and SBS
provide independent, fair, and balanced reporting, analysis
and investigative journalism.

Local coverage during emergency events such as bushfires
saves lives and foreign news and foreign language bulletins
connect Australians to the world.

New polling released by the Australia Institute show that
most voters support a long term boost to ABC funding and
oppose cuts to the ABC and SBS and that the ABC remains
the most trusted news service in Australia.

Foxy,
The reason the ABC came into existence had nothing to do with
programming. It was all about people in the country not being able to
hear the city stations during the day.
No one had the risk capital at that time to set up local stations and
the cost of news gathering was high.
So the politicians agreed to set up a national broadcast network.
After its radio network was established like all public service
organisations it looked for more to do and settled on more networks
and an FM station and Radio Australia.
After the war then came TV. A bonanza for the public ABC & SBS.

Quote:
In relation to news and current affairs the ABC and SBS
provide independent, fair, and balanced reporting, analysis
and investigative journalism.
Unquote
Are you kidding ? Some good investigating stories but that is the
best that can be said of your quote.
They no longer even pretend to be unbiased Foxy !

They no longer even pretend to be unbiased Foxy !
Bazz,
That is a truth they can't even pretend to hide anymore !
They are a major factor in the dysfunction we're battling in our society !
They should really have funding cut until they actually get near comprehending the meaning of integrity !

The fact of the matter is: whether it's biased or not, the ABC is here to stay. It also has nothing to do with the topic because it isn't getting any extra money out of the budget - which is the topic!

I will bet my bottom dollar that no Australian government will ever defund or close down the ABC. If they did, they would waste the money on something else, and we would be no better off. So, complaining about the ABC is a bit like whingeing about multinational companies not paying tax. The government is not going to do anything about it, and we would be no better off if they did.

Tonight, I'll be watching Father Brown and The Split on ABC. Tomorrow night, I'll be watching Grantchester. For the rest of the week, I will not touch the ABC with a barge pole; and that is the only way to avoid their bigoted, biased, boofheaded propaganda and apologies for comedy. Try it. That's what most Australians do, despite the obsessing and emoting of half a dozen people on Online Opinion.

I would be opposed to the ABC being closed because they do provide a
service that is needed in certain places and they can provide some
otherwise ignored fields such as children's shows.
They do need a firm hand otherwise they will have the girls being boys
and vice versa just because the ABC said so after all it is Their ABC.
The need for the ABC has reduced dramatically and it could be halved
and almost no one would notice.

I'd like to see the ABC doing more Australian-based productions instead of relying so much on overlapping current affairs programming.
I'd love to see the ABC doing documentaries on on subjects such as the Bradfield Scheme, a National Service, railway Infrastructure etc & have the relevant politicians appear in them.
Make top bureaucrats answer why so many sensible projects are always sidelined.
Interview people other than 'Experts' & Academics to get their for/against views.
Do a documentary on black deaths in custody from a police perspective. Do a documentary on crime featuring the failings of our Judiciary etc.
Real documentaries instead of the outcome-less Customs shows. There's more material out there than we can poke sticks at yet here the ABC keeps showing repeats after repeats.
Give the Australian independent filmmakers a shot in the arm by showing their stuff ! We need diversity !

Accusations of bias according to The
Sydney Morning Herald are useful tools to
undermine confidence and support for the ABC, just
as fake news and misinformation is deployed by
Putin's Russia to undermine social stability and
confidence in institutions of the West.

In fact we're told that some bias in the ABC is not a
vice but a virtue, and is mandated in its charter.

Specifically the ABC is required:

a) To provide within Australia innovative and
comprehensive broadcasting service of a high standard as
part of the Australian broadcasting system consisting of
national, commercial and community sections and, without
limiting the generality of the foregoing to provide:

i) broadcasting programs that contribute to a sense of
national identity and inform and entertain, and reflect
the cultural diversity of the Australian community.

Commercial media, especially TV has no such mission. Long
ago it shed its public service based costing obligations
with the blessings of politicians.

The ABC (especially ABC radio) devotes airtime to issues
that are largely ignored by other media: religion, feminism,
Indigenous issues, Muslem and other minorities interests.

In doing so it paints a picture of an Australia that is at
odds with some people's beliefs about Australia, for whom
Australia is still white, European, Christian and male.

In their minds this is bias, but it is bias or a reflection
of the modern reality of Australia, warts and all. And to
some it is at odds with entertainment and profitability.

However looking at things objectively, Australia's mix of
public service and commercial media serves our social
entertainment and political needs well. Diverse, accurate,
and informed media is a corner stone of our
democratic processes because choice only
means choice when you know the alternatives.

When media content is driven only by entertainment values and
profitability, not to mention the influence of large
advertisers and political parties, alternative views are not
encouraged.

Public service broadcasting ABC and SBS is vital in
providing alternative ideas and understandings. Without
alternative ideas we don't have
democracy. And its worth discussing this issue -
as a "Model for Our Future".

cont'd ...

BTW: Although I did not raise the topic of the
ABC in this discussion - it is an issue that is
right on the topic of the 2020 Budget.

If we're going to discuss the Budget 2020 - we
should also discuss the over looked parts of
the 2020 Australian budget. From - Christmas
Island re-opening, to the lacklustre support
for women, to the Arts sector missing out,
to substance abuse programs left out of the
mental health incentives, and also to the
Morrison Government's freeze being extended on the
ABC's funding beyond 2022.

The ABC has laready made significant cuts to staff
and services after $84m indexation freeze was announced
in the 2018 Budget.

The latest freeze comes on top of the $783m in funding the
ABC has lost since the Coalition came to power in 2014.

The ABC has already made significant cuts to staff and services
Foxy,
yes, the cuts to integrity are rather obvious ! There is a definite increase though in using our Tax Dollars to denounce & even attack our present Fed Govt !
Haven't you watched the DRUM or Q & A & Insight lately ?
They don't appear to be less relentless in attacking this Govt due to funding reductions !

Individual,

That's because it's their job as I explained earlier.
Diverse, accurate and informed media is a cornerstone
of our democratic process. They are not driven only by
entertainment values and profitability and are not
influenced by large advertisers and political parties
where critical views are not encouraged.

They are simply doing their job.

Which is as it should be.

Just scrolling back through the comments after watching The Split on Chanel 2. Same old same old. The same old people saying the same things they have said over and over. I'm not sure why we do this (OLO). In real life, I don't talk about the ABC and politics with other people. Nobody has ever rushed up to me eager to talk about such things. Davidf recently put up a post about changes of mind, and most of us, including me, said no. Why he brought it up, I don't know, because the answer is obvious. I wonder what a psychologist or psychiatrist would have to say about people like us who keep banging away when we are not making any difference to anything or anyone.

Diverse, accurate and informed media is a cornerstone
of our democratic process.
Foxy,
One-sided, indoctrinated bias does not fit what you stated above !

PSEUDO-individual,

Foxy is right, you are wrong.

Individual,

Of course one-sided points of view do not serve a
democracy well. That's why our country's mix of
public service and commercial media serve our
social entertainment and political needs well.
We need diverse, accurate and informed media -
which is as I stated earlier - a cornerstone of our
democratic processes because choice only means choice
when you know the alternatives.

When media is driven ONLY by entertainment values and
profitability, not to mention the influence of large
advertisers and political parties alternative views
are not encouraged.

cont'd ...

I don't agree that our opinions don't make any
difference on this forum. Voter opinions have
changed societies and influenced politicians
and leaders. Ignoring the will of the people
some have learned to their own detriment.
On a personal level - we're all here contributing
to this forum in one way or another because we
enjoy it. This is a forum of social and political
debate after all. And whether we like to admit it
or not - we do hear other points of view - and
they do at times make us think and possibly see
things through a different lens - then we would
normally.

I don't agree that our opinions don't make any
difference on this forum
Foxy,
I agree with that. This Fed Govt has actually acted on at least two ideas that have first been brought up here.

Thanks Indy.

individual,

You have nothing to gain by arguing with an ignorant nutter who has changed this thread from a discussion on the budget and debt to one on identity politics and the "virtues" of the ABC. It just gives the nutter an opportunity to rave on, and on, and on about irrelevancies. All discussion relevant to the topic ceased on Thursday. That's when it should have died.

The Left needs the ABC, the SMH and all the lefty media because they are a separate (from the rest of us) mob of slavish groupies who can't think for themselves. That's why they are always quoting from the ABC, the Sydney Morning Herald, SBS, The Guardian and other arms of the looney left.

The rest of us, the thinkers, don't need such guidance (brainwashing).

I'm interested to know just what the two ideas from OLO that the government took on were. I don't mean to be rude, but I don't believe the government would even know of OLO's existence.

ttbn,
Earlier in the year they increased the amount of money a pensioner can earn before affecting the pension & only a few days ago I heard on the radio that they're giving the Australian film industry a boost by funding Australian content !
Both issues first brought up here on OLO.
I think they do scan OLO for practical ideas.

Individual,

I sure that you sincerely believe that, but it beggars belief that what has been said on OLO had any influence on such a serious economic matter. The very few posters we have is enough to rule the idea out. There are no politicians on OLO, whereas most of them seem to have a Twitter or Facebook account to defend themselves or push what they think, not to get policy ideas from anonymous people with no ability of expertise on anything - just opinions. They might listen to well known and respected professionals writing in, or being reported by, the traditional media; but not to often wild and emotional avatars on a computer screen.

Sure, media monitoring is done, but it is not used for picking up ideas from social media to be used in government. If you have proof of what you claim , I would of course change my mind; but, in the meantime, I cannot accept your claim as true.

Hi Indy,

You're correct. Politicians have been given a platform
on this forum in the past which makes sense as On Line
Opinion is owned and published by Brisbane based
conservative political "think tank" the Australian
Institute For Progress Limited (AIP). According to the
Executive Director - it is "ideologically
centre-right" with its criticisms favouring right-wing
political parties.

The owner, Graham Young has strong links to the Liberal
National Party of Queensland. Graham Young was once
Vice President of the Queensland Liberal Party.

There's more at:

http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Line_Opinion

cont'd ...

Indy,

My apologies, here's the link again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Line_Opinion

The sooner their ABC is privatised the better.

shadyminister,

Is that so you will be able to control what they report thus preventing them from reporting the truth?

Ttbn- thanks for you thread. The financial situation could be summed up by "be careful what we wish for because we might just get it". I admire your efforts in support of Traditional British Australia. Make sure you pace yourself mate.

The comments on the Red Army Faction were interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction

The Australian Institute is a progressive (ie. Soft Communist) Australian think tank.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Australia_Institute

Interesting that Mr Opinion still appears to support the ABC- not sure why- his comment on "truth" is interesting too- perhaps this is ironic . Perhaps Traditionalists believe that equal access speakers of different opinions is no longer sufficient to restore the balance and so they are now promoting a similar power grab to what has been used against Traditional Australians- it seems fairly Newtonian. Everyone is biased but some have more power (such as the power and resources the ABC has that don't seem to be used in line with the views of the Traditional British Australian community). Many people support the idea of freedom without understanding that in the current context freedom means- the right- no the requirement- to teach gay sex to their children in public educational institutions- freedom should have limits because it corrodes morality and society.

At least Foxy admits that the ABC is biased (and hence undemocratic)- even though she still believes that being biased is valid.

Many of these subjects are subtle.

What problems does democracy solve?

What does it fail at?

How do you deal with practitioners that are philosophically dishonest and subversive?

Does philosophical dishonesty lead to internecine war?

What is the purpose of the economy and for whom and in what proportion?

Canem Malum,

I see the ABC as the people's media maintained by taxpayers money with the purpose of ensuring that ultimate power lies with the people who make up our society and not with the apparatuses of the State.

The LNP who in my view sometimes look and act more like a fascist regime would love to dismantle the ABC in order to shift the power base in State-society relations increasingly in its favour toward authoritarian power.

Do you follow what I am getting at or would like me to simplify it in words that shadyminister, pseudo-mouth, Phil, etc. would need it?

Mr Opinion Comment 1 said-

Canem Malum, I see the ABC as the people's media maintained by taxpayers money with the purpose of ensuring that ultimate power lies with the people who make up our society and not with the apparatuses of the State.

Answer 1-

I don't agree that the ABC is inline with the people- perhaps the people have been changed by undemocratic processes- now the socially engineered "truth". The generous view- ABC is acting from the belief that sponsoring diversity is now necessary to prevent division within the community internally (and externally). The internal division could perhaps be argued to have been caused by government policy influenced by power groups both within and external to Australia.

Mr Opinion comment 2-

The LNP who in my view sometimes look and act more like a fascist regime would love to dismantle the ABC in order to shift the power base in State-society relations increasingly in its favour toward authoritarian power.

Answer 2- I'm sure everyone is fascist in a sense- it's always about power- nothing is fair for everyone- it's easy to revert to utilitarianism here- perhaps the balance needs to be somewhere between utilitarianism and limited freedom.
As you're probably aware I favor Patrick Deneen's views that both the LNP and Labor are both liberal parties- they both pursue "progressive" "Locke Libertarian" policies- though the LNP large group of Traditionalists and Paleo's due to the history of the movement.

http://abcmedia.akamaized.net/rn/podcast/2019/01/rer_20190116_1730.mp3

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/religionandethicsreport/patrick-deneen/10467340

Mr Opinion comment 3-

Do you follow what I am getting at or would like me to simplify it in words that shadyminister, pseudo-mouth, Phil, etc. would need it?

Answer 3- I like the implied threat here. Kudos. I often find your comments interesting.

I suspect that given your background and perhaps workplace it would be difficult to support often "cancelled" views such as those on the paleo side of politics. To me this is an indication of how far we have gone wrong as a stable society. I hope that you are supported in your right to your personal views in your workplace.

Canem Malum,

I like the way you string your ideas together.

I have the impression you might come from a philosophy background. Am I close?

Thanks for your feedback Mr Opinion.

Let's just say I've read fairly widely on philosophy (and other topics) but I'm sure I'm not as "qualified" as yourself. I also like yourself and Hasbeen have an engineering background as is on the record. I have some understanding of the military like O Sung Wu. I also read widely on subjects of interest.

Given the nature of my opinions and comments (even if they are hypothetical) on this forum and the toxicity of the world- I suspect that many could become unemployable- creeping "diversity" seems to be creating an environment where you can't say anything without offending somebody- Jordan Peterson has mentioned this- it's seems only those without anything to lose that are safe- which seems to be the current communist "cancel" tyranny- I would like Communist "Cancelling" to be used on the Communists- I'm sure they aren't the only ones to use similar tactics- I prefer to be a productive person- so it is important for me to remain anonymous- you yourself have not always supported anonymity- I'm sure with enough resources there are very powerful people and groups that could anonymously target and destroy me- if they cared enough- but I do what I can- and what is the world without courage.

Someone mentioned that a lot of OLO is about posting material and links from other sources- superficially this could be true- but it's often the way it's put together. Kudos to Graham Young on the success of OLO.

Everyone needs their privacy at some level.

I've learned that transparency isn't always good.

On the internet people can be whoever they want to be.

Hopefully I have helped in your case- at least- to view things in an interesting new perspective