Wow, ttbn and now backed-up by ALTRAV,
You guys are in really good form, going straight for the jugular, hey.
And not a sensible thought between you.
Who else is going to join in?
Surely you guys need backup, to really twist the knife.

You poor, sorry blackguards who don't even know how to tie your shoe-laces without an instruction manual.

Why don't you both just get the message.
You have nothing to offer here.
ttbn is just a stirrer and misanthrope.
He is steering you astray with his hidden agenda, ALTRAV - not that you have ever really needed any encouragement with your uncoordinated blather.

The blessing of the presence of you both on this or any other forum is simply a blight on the concept of free speech. Still, it takes all kinds.

There, so now you know.

As for the subject of this thread, Labor threw money at school halls and pink batts, and left a massive debt - with inordinate follow-on perfunctory money-down-the-drain programs in furtherance of their incoherent no-return socialist ideologies - for a fiscally responsible Lib/Nat Coalition Government of genuine gentlemen and women to honour, and then to dig the economy out of the residual (Labor-made) debt.
With flying colours the Coalition succeeded in short shrift - and had the economy headed for surplus, and as close to full employment as we have seen in a very long time, and stacks of jobs available for those willing to have a go.

But, not for accomplished blokes like you.
I could be wrong of course, such is possible.

The Coalition is handling this pandemic crisis with astute economic integrity, to the benefit of all Australians, and have in-train an economic stimulus program which will ensure valuable work for all who want it, a more efficient and stable economy, and a fast return to surplus.

WOW, indeed saltpetre, what got up your proverbial?
More relevantly, what on earth makes you think that your comments are any more or less worthy than mine or anyone else's for that matter.
I am surprised as you speak well in describing the debacle that is the labor party, and in holding the Libs/Nats at a well deserved higher level.
Your criticism of myself, or anyone else for that matter, is at best disingenuous, but I would appreciate clarity and enlightenment on your accusations, otherwise it is you who is a blight on the concept of free speech.
My speech is exactly what it is, I say exactly what I mean, your attempt to disparage me and my lack of linguistic skills, speaks loud and clear about you and your arrogant virtue shaming, bile.
It is people like you who should not be allowed to comment on forums, you are the one who should be removed and admonished for attacking people in such a vial and unprovoked manner.
I attack in response to some fools idiotic rhetoric and moronic opinion, so I have a basis for my language, you on the other hand have taken it upon yourself to speak disparagingly about me, in complete ignorance of myself and my reasons for my responses.
Oh and BTW, in keeping with YOUR theme of ignorance and arrogance, I wish to advise you that even though I am not a "black guard", you on the other hand have proven BY YOUR OWN HAND, that YOU are THE BLAGGARD!

Salty, I can't accept the Labor bad, Coalition good, line you push when dealing with economic cries. The GFC was not of Labor's doing, The Rudd government acted appropriately with spending in avoiding recession (high unemployment), Australia being one of only a handful of countries to do so. The Labor debt caused little pain for Australia and was entirely manageable. When taking office the Coalition rather than reducing debt, which was their public mantra, they drove the debt up to record levels. The Coalition had the gall to blame their frivolous spending from 2013 to 2019 on Labor

What I ask now is, has the Coalitions economic response to the pandemic been appropriate. These glib terms for massive spending programs, 'Jobkeeper', 'Jobseeker', cash handouts, business loans and support packages. In less than half a year the Coalition has managed to create an astronomical debt, that will be with us for many years to come. There has been some glaring examples of wasteful spending, $1500/fortnight to people who would otherwise receive less than a couple of hundred in that time. Business owners fudging the books to get government handouts. The $1500 spending stimulus to pensioners, in 85% of cases the money has gone straight into the bank, no cash spending to boost demand as was expected. According to the Coalition the waste was justified on the grounds of "we had to get the money out quick smart", no not so, for three weeks they wouldn't even entertain a wage subsidy, claiming it was unnecessary. Lets face it Morrison pinned his hopes on a "snap back" in the economy to avoid the "fiscal cliff", no such snap back will eventuate. Instead of millions going over the fiscal cliff in September, many are going to be left dangling over the edge for a time, before the government cuts them off completely! Welcome to the land of a trillion dollar debt, which by this time next year we will have absolutely nothing positive to show for it! Thanks to some very poor economic management by the Coalition.

ALTRAV,

I take my hat off to you - I stand duly rebuked.
Mind you, your latching onto the bootstraps of ttbn, in his inane vomitous rampage, is not a good look for you, and does you a disservice.

You are better than that.
When you have addressed an issue, you have contributed some perspective, but running off on conspiracies, or forever racing to justify some unjustifiable side-issue proclamation, mostly provokes a negative reaction.

Take care, and have a good day.

Paul,

Can't help you. You are wrong.
Rethink. Re-writing history in Rudd's image doesn't wash.

Dear Saltpetre,

You wrote;

"As for the subject of this thread, Labor threw money at school halls and pink batts, and left a massive debt - with inordinate follow-on perfunctory money-down-the-drain programs in furtherance of their incoherent no-return socialist ideologies - for a fiscally responsible Lib/Nat Coalition Government of genuine gentlemen and women to honour, and then to dig the economy out of the residual (Labor-made) debt.
With flying colours the Coalition succeeded in short shrift - and had the economy headed for surplus, and as close to full employment as we have seen in a very long time, and stacks of jobs available for those willing to have a go."

Thanks mate, that was a ripper. Nearly snorted tea over me crumpets. Lol.

Paul is right to question the National Cabinet and in particular the Governments dishing out of billions upon billions for our grand children to pay back. Personally I think the world's economies are not far from collapsing. Call it conspiracy but the global elite are getting their way. I hope I am wrong. Tight lockdowns have proven to be a disaster and are just pushing the problem down the track. When we have an envitable third, fourth, fifth outbreak we will continue with this stupidity of lockdowns. If a vaccine does become available the labs in China are well equipped to release another strain. Just saying.

At the end of the day doing deals with social premiers (applauded by most) will be the ruin of the nation. The hard unpopular choices of locking away the vulnerable while allowing the healthy to continue to work and produce would of been much much smarter. Still no Government worker lost a cent? Amazing.