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Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 1:16:16 PM
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Covid-19 as it has been called, is a coronavirus, a strain of coronavirus.
Coronavirus is a flu and has been listed in death due to flu data for many years. Flu is, of course, a colloquial term. People catch flu and no amount of restrictions will stop that. So how many people caught the flu today, called Covid-19? Search: flu death worldwide. All restrictions should be dumped immediately and all business and employment restarted immediately. There is no covid mass death pandemic and never was. Fiasco http://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/ Italy http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-26/italy-says-96-of-virus-fatalities-suffered-from-other-illnesses?fbclid=IwAR0QqxexAemK8ANEjuJC2p2TtyQV6DqpIPDCp3Tp6IwfmvTpARu8EX559zs Italy PM http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3-V1xIWm9KFPzDlgKgu6ID9rG2mQr19CBVmrPet4AlQSxZ25QsxhgdJh4&v=bUCWcft6kao Field Hosp http://www.wnd.com/2020/05/21m-brooklyn-field-hospital-shuts-covid-19-patients-treated-zero/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons HQ Lancet. http://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/05/lancet-had-to-do-one-of-the-biggest-retractions-in-modern-history-how-could-this-happen?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=soc_568&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true Posted by JF Aus, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 1:52:02 PM
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Its now over two months ago that I originally expressed concern that the lockdowns were an unnecessary hit to the economy.
I said at the time that it would be unfair to criticise governments too much since they were working with scant data and being fed propaganda from the Chinese government and WHO. But my view on that has somewhat changed. It is now clear that the models our government relied on were utterly unreliable. Morrison was forced, reluctantly, to admit that the models were not specific to Australia, were based on non-Australian conditions and were fed non-Australian data. Yet based on this they decided to close down most of the productive economy. You'd hope that the government and its senior medical advisers would have been much more concerned to learn how accurate the models were before deciding on this most drastic of actions. That they didn't concern themselves with it is an unforgivable indictment on their leadership and professionalism. The lockdowns were a disastrous decision and we as a nation will be paying for that error for at least a generation. I don't look forward to explaining to my grandkids why the economy in their early working years is so much worse than it was in mine. Morrison is currently praised and reaped the rewards in the polls. Lets see how long that last as they struggle to rebuild an economy that they so wilfully destroyed. The letter calls for the immediate cessation of the lockdowns. There is no reason why they should continue for even one more day except that governments would need to admit error - and therefore that won't happen. It also calls for a full accounting of models. That seems to be happening elsewhere but not here. While the utter failure of these models isn't widely discussed it is becoming so. And not just pandemic models but also other predictors of the future - ie climate models. Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 2:29:28 PM
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Today the WHO finally started to walk back the claims that asymptomatic cases transmit the disease....
"“From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” said Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, the head of the emerging diseases and zoonosis unit at the WHO. Van Kerkhove believes that governments should focus on the detection and isolation of infected people, and those they came in contact with. “We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing,” she added. “They’re following asymptomatic cases. They’re following contacts. And they’re not finding secondary transmission onward. It’s very rare.” We have no idea how many people have or have had the WuFlu without ever showing symptoms. Its probably at least 35% of overall cases but its currently impossible to know. Nonetheless the whole social distancing idea and the consequent shutdown was based on the notion that asymptomatic folk were just as contagious as those who displayed symptoms. So the thought went that the bloke sitting next to you at the footy who had zero symptoms was just as dangerous as someone who clear had symptoms. We now find out that that was not true - that sitting next to someone with the virus but without symptoms was quite safe. So the whole social distancing thing was based on false data. And if there was no need for social distancing then there was no need to close shops, cafes, schools, workplaces and all the rest. What a disaster. Even if it turns out the virus wasn't man-made, the economic mayhem consequent on it most definitely was. Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 2:44:05 PM
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'The lockdown has been difficult for many people.
And for some it has been a financial loss.' not for one person sucking on the tax payer teet Posted by runner, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 2:47:10 PM
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runner,
There are many people and organisations who do that. The unemployed, sick, people with health and mental issues, pensioners, the old, frail, aged, vunerable, disabled - people who I'm sure you as a self-proclaimed God-loving warm-hearted Christian would feel empathy for - and 0f course all the religious organisations, churches and charities... to name just a few. We as a society are judged by hos we look after our most vulnerable aren't we? Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 3:01:11 PM
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There was obviously considerable work, thought and time invested into the above submission: But I think it gets shaky when comparing the risk to one bunch of the population over another. Something has to give. Decisions are made that justify the deal in good V bad outcomes.
But personally I'm happy with the Government responses to the, at the time, unknown ramifications of the virus.
I think it was quite reasonable for politicians to rely on the expert advice of medical professionals, and gauging their actions on that advice. There seems to be argument on this point.
Scott Morrison approval rating , ( especially compared to the comparative dislike of Albanese), to my mind speaks for itself.
Politics is all about compromise.
Dan