This morning a group that I convened had an open letter to the Australian Heads of Government published in The Australian. You can read it here http://aip.asn.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Dear-Prime-Minister_Final.pdf. If you agree with it you can add your signature here http://aip.asn.au/2020/06/open-up-our-country-sign-the-open-letter/.

The letter points out the extraordinarily high effect on lifespan that the lockdown has cost versus the comparatively few lives that it has actually saved. Originally a lockdown was a sensible measure to an unknown threat, but as the data came in it was obviously a massive overreaction.

Now the challenge is to put in place governance measures to try to ensure this sort of panic doesn't happen again. Measures like forbidding the use of models where the code and the inputs aren't in the public domain. Or ensuring that the decision making body includes a wide spread of expertise, not just medical officers.

There was political leadership involved; they chose to listen to the health experts.

That was a political choice.

IMO, we can be thankful Australia has good political leaders that acted fast and effectively by agreeing to commonsense.

Yesterday, there were 136,000 new reported cases of the coronavirus.

136,000 new cases around world in previous 24 hours.

personally I have attended a funeral (only 10 allowed). My father had a severe heart attack and only one person per day allowed to visit. What an absolute disgrace. We have State Premiers listening to so called 'expert' advice while allowing tens of thousands of ferals protesting against what most don't have a clue about except the Marxist manipulators. The State Governments are a disgrace and Morrison's national cabinet which was largely applauded was nothing but a spending appeasement debacle. Not happy!

If all restrictions are not lifted today after the pathetic and gutless surrender to race demonstrators, we should be demanding immediate elections, state and federal. We won't do that, though, because we are just as gutless as the politicians we tolerate, deserving of the rubbish we have in all our parliaments. It was all over for me when the Left started praising that useless prick, Scott Morrison.

The lockdown has been difficult for many people.
And for some it has been a financial loss.
However, our country has fared rather well compared
to the many lives lost in other countries. For that
we can all be grateful to this country's government
and leadership in listening to the various medical,
health, and scientific professionals.

I for one am thankful for everything that could be done
was done, and that I live in Australia. I'm sure that
with patience and understanding we shall all get through
this together.

It's interesting observing the diversity of outlooks on any one subject.

There was obviously considerable work, thought and time invested into the above submission: But I think it gets shaky when comparing the risk to one bunch of the population over another. Something has to give. Decisions are made that justify the deal in good V bad outcomes.

But personally I'm happy with the Government responses to the, at the time, unknown ramifications of the virus.
I think it was quite reasonable for politicians to rely on the expert advice of medical professionals, and gauging their actions on that advice. There seems to be argument on this point.

Scott Morrison approval rating , ( especially compared to the comparative dislike of Albanese), to my mind speaks for itself.
Politics is all about compromise.

Dan

Covid-19 as it has been called, is a coronavirus, a strain of coronavirus.
Coronavirus is a flu and has been listed in death due to flu data for many years.
Flu is, of course, a colloquial term.

People catch flu and no amount of restrictions will stop that.

So how many people caught the flu today, called Covid-19?

Search: flu death worldwide.

All restrictions should be dumped immediately and all business and employment restarted immediately.

There is no covid mass death pandemic and never was.

Fiasco
http://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

Italy
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-26/italy-says-96-of-virus-fatalities-suffered-from-other-illnesses?fbclid=IwAR0QqxexAemK8ANEjuJC2p2TtyQV6DqpIPDCp3Tp6IwfmvTpARu8EX559zs

Italy PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3-V1xIWm9KFPzDlgKgu6ID9rG2mQr19CBVmrPet4AlQSxZ25QsxhgdJh4&v=bUCWcft6kao

Field Hosp
http://www.wnd.com/2020/05/21m-brooklyn-field-hospital-shuts-covid-19-patients-treated-zero/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

HQ Lancet.
http://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/05/lancet-had-to-do-one-of-the-biggest-retractions-in-modern-history-how-could-this-happen?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=soc_568&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Its now over two months ago that I originally expressed concern that the lockdowns were an unnecessary hit to the economy.

I said at the time that it would be unfair to criticise governments too much since they were working with scant data and being fed propaganda from the Chinese government and WHO. But my view on that has somewhat changed.

It is now clear that the models our government relied on were utterly unreliable. Morrison was forced, reluctantly, to admit that the models were not specific to Australia, were based on non-Australian conditions and were fed non-Australian data. Yet based on this they decided to close down most of the productive economy.

You'd hope that the government and its senior medical advisers would have been much more concerned to learn how accurate the models were before deciding on this most drastic of actions. That they didn't concern themselves with it is an unforgivable indictment on their leadership and professionalism.

The lockdowns were a disastrous decision and we as a nation will be paying for that error for at least a generation. I don't look forward to explaining to my grandkids why the economy in their early working years is so much worse than it was in mine.

Morrison is currently praised and reaped the rewards in the polls. Lets see how long that last as they struggle to rebuild an economy that they so wilfully destroyed.

The letter calls for the immediate cessation of the lockdowns. There is no reason why they should continue for even one more day except that governments would need to admit error - and therefore that won't happen.

It also calls for a full accounting of models. That seems to be happening elsewhere but not here. While the utter failure of these models isn't widely discussed it is becoming so. And not just pandemic models but also other predictors of the future - ie climate models.

Today the WHO finally started to walk back the claims that asymptomatic cases transmit the disease....
"“From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” said Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, the head of the emerging diseases and zoonosis unit at the WHO.

Van Kerkhove believes that governments should focus on the detection and isolation of infected people, and those they came in contact with.

“We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing,” she added. “They’re following asymptomatic cases. They’re following contacts. And they’re not finding secondary transmission onward. It’s very rare.”

We have no idea how many people have or have had the WuFlu without ever showing symptoms. Its probably at least 35% of overall cases but its currently impossible to know.

Nonetheless the whole social distancing idea and the consequent shutdown was based on the notion that asymptomatic folk were just as contagious as those who displayed symptoms. So the thought went that the bloke sitting next to you at the footy who had zero symptoms was just as dangerous as someone who clear had symptoms.

We now find out that that was not true - that sitting next to someone with the virus but without symptoms was quite safe.

So the whole social distancing thing was based on false data. And if there was no need for social distancing then there was no need to close shops, cafes, schools, workplaces and all the rest.

What a disaster. Even if it turns out the virus wasn't man-made, the economic mayhem consequent on it most definitely was.

'The lockdown has been difficult for many people.
And for some it has been a financial loss.'

not for one person sucking on the tax payer teet

runner,

There are many people and organisations who do that.

The unemployed, sick, people with health and mental issues,
pensioners, the old, frail, aged, vunerable, disabled -
people who I'm sure you as a self-proclaimed
God-loving warm-hearted Christian would feel empathy for - and
0f course all the religious organisations, churches
and charities... to name just a few.

We as a society are judged by hos we look after our
most vulnerable aren't we?

Luckily our government has made financial provisions
to help provide for these people in these difficult
times - so don't begrudge them the financial help that's
needed.

The truth about covid from Professor Dolores Cahill.

For some reason here on OLO there is a 3 minute delay to the interview start. But it's well worth waiting. It's an explosive insight to the covid farce.

(Maybe copy and paste the link will bypass the 3 minutes).

http://www.facebook.com/tigerrebornireland/videos/866190253890757/

Well, looks like everything is under control re the WuFlu.

Time to get the economy back to status quo ante WuFlu.

So, let's open the border to cashed up Chinese and start bringing them in by the millions just like we did pre-WuFlu pandemic as the means to keep the Australian economy afloat.

Any objections?

JF Aus,

I don't do Facebook. But there is a Bitchute version... http://www.bitchute.com/video/Avc6_ftzk3w/

(Interestingly YouTube deleted the version there. I'll leave you to work out why)

There is very little in this talk that I haven't seen elsewhere. But its always nice to see these data confirmed by other experts.






"Luckily our government has made financial provisions to help provide for these people in these difficult times.."

Yes the government destroyed the livelihoods of millions then mortgaged the futures of the next generation to pay for it. Everyone loses...

Unfortunately many people have zero understanding of how a full economy works and therefore have no understanding of how devastating the governments decisions have been for the future welfare of the country.

Dear GrahamY,

Come on mate really?

What one sided grist for the mill.

How about we start tallying up the other side of the ledger?

Road toll down. Vic from 138 last year to 99 this year to the same time.

Murders and other homicides well down in your state compared to last year.

The list could easily go on.

And pray tell which of your co-signers is an epidemiologist or an infectious disease expert? I started going through them but no luck so far.

If Morrison had gotten off his arse earlier we could have had a NZ style result. But he had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the table by the likes of Andrews. Admittedly when he finally had his revelation he stepped up but thank God for the states.

'We as a society are judged by hos we look after our
most vulnerable aren't we?'

certainly the unborn are the most vulnerable Foxy.

Dear mhaze,

Mate why are you even here discussing this topic. You were repeatedly and comprehensively shot down on this issue. Now you are making things up yet again.

You write;

“Yet based on this they decided to close down most of the productive economy.”

No they bloody well didn't. Our pokies, pubs and cafes are not the most productive parts of our economy. Nor are hair dressers or the cinemas. Our retail stores peddling wares from China aren't either.

However our manufacturing remained largely unaffected until your beloved Sweden where the major car manufacturers ceased operating. Ours kept going. Our miners kept mining, our farmers kept farming and even our teachers kept teaching.

Do try and stick with some semblance of respect for the facts in this thread, it would be very much appreciated.

Our so called leaders summed up by an anonymous blogger following their go ahead to thousands of law-breaking protesters:

"They are either the greatest hypocrites we have seen in a long time, and deserve to be treated like the useless wonders that they are, or they will have been shown to be tyrants who love power and will find any cheap excuse to lord it over the masses".

Under Xi Jinping, the Chinese Communist Party is strengthening its "united front system" of influence by co-opting representatives of ethnic minority groups, religious movements, and business, science and political groups outside the borders of China. It involves itself in foreign political parties, diaspora communities and multinational corporations, exporting the CCP’s political system, undermining social cohesion, exacerbating racial tension, influencing media etc.

Giving the CCP's gleeful announcement to it citizens not to visit Australia, citing the 'racism' and 'brutality' inflicted on indiginese, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that the Chinese Communists are helping and encouraging blacktivists and Leftists involved in the racially-motivated demonstrations our unwitting/witless authorities are allowing to occur

maze,

The link I posted earlier is different to the link you posted.

As a youngster I used to wonder how truth about gassing of Jews could be ignored and why Hitler burned books however now I note evidence of reason on this very thread.
Truth can be inconvenient to some people.
Free honest and open speech on Facebook, not yet reported in tabloids and commercial media, will be heard sometime in the future.
That is for sure.

https://www.facebook.com/tigerrebornireland/videos/866190253890757/

It would seem some conservatives, and their far right allies, are genuinely disappointed that Australia's death toll from Covid-19 is not far greater than what it is. Unlike war where they see the value in lives lost as dollars in the bank, pandemics don't offer them the same financial returns, how disappointing, in fact they are a financial loss for the money people! I once read where a British industrialist estimated the cost to capital for each British soldier killed in WWI was 16 pounds, higher for causalities, but the return on investment was 600 pounds, a jolly good investment wouldn't you say. The industrialist was lamenting the signing of an armistice in 1918, he believed it would have been acceptable to the British people if the war had been prolonged until 1922/23. Unfortunate we can't apply the same to a pandemic.

From the letter;

"We, the undersigned, believe that you should relax COVID-19 restrictions as soon as possible."

The governments of Australia are doing that, or would you prefer tens of thousands of Brazilian tourists with plenty of cash and virus, arriving unchecked into the country as of right now?

ttbn,

We need to open our border to China now so that we can start bringing in millions of cashed up Chinese to get out economy on track.

The CCP can send in its military to protect them if there are any concerns of attacks against them.

We might be able to get Andrew Forrest to line something up with the CCP. Maybe he can get Xi into Parliament House to broadcast to Australia to stop picking on Chinese just because they started the WuFlu pandemic.

The unequal treatment of citizens by the political class and politicised police commissioners in allowing racially-motivated demonstrations to go ahead was an attack on Australia’s egalitarianism and democratic institutions which are the basis of our democracy.

The failure of police to issue fines to protestors for breaking social distancing rules demonstrates that these rules have nothing to do with public health or medical science.”

The political class took the side of radical, lawless protestors over mainstream Australians who want to go back to work and re-open their businesses.

We now know where we stand with the hypocritical Morrison government. Given that the Opposition is not fit for purpose either, we need to withhold our votes from all candidates until a different method of selection

Should have finished with 'is devised'. This business of rewarding party hacks, unionists, lawyers and people who never had a real job with safe seats has to stop.

I think I'm fighting a losing battle here: nobody except me seems to want to open our border to China and bring in millions of cashed up Chinese to restart the economy. Think of the money we can have.

Maybe I can get Andrew Forrest to have a talk to you. He might even bring along one of his CCP mates to help convince you. Our politicians, bureaucrats and business people have been selling out the country to China for the past 30 years so why stop now?

Let's give ourselves that Chinese future YOU have all been working for!

Its time to open the borders because there is evidence so-called Covid-19 coronavirus was in Australia prior to being identified in Wuhan China in December 2019.

I have a friend who thought he had a bad flu with the dry cough and he ended up with fluid on his lungs causing shortage of oxygen to his heart and brain. It was mid-winter 2019 when he was hospitalized for over 3 weeks and received a pacemaker. He says he had never had such a bad flu.

Also, I had a very persistent dry cough for nearly 2 weeks during January 2019, and it took another 3 weeks to completely go away. My lower rib cage began to hurt when I coughed.
I know of other cases also during 2019. Each with feeling they had never had such a severe flu previously.
There are doctors in Australia who have the insight to the new dry cough strain of coronavirus existing in Australia during 2019.

It appears Australia did not identify the coronavirus now known as Covid-19 and it took China to make the identification during December 2019 in Wuhan. This covid strain could have mutated anywhere in the world just like influenza does perhaps annually.

I think it's likely Australia has already developed herd immunity to this Covid-19 coronavirus, so that is more reason the borders should be opened.

Why blame and offend China? Chinese people are proud and intelligent.
Why shun experts like Professor Dolores Cahill?

https://www.facebook.com/tigerrebornireland/videos/866190253890757/

JF Aus,

Sorry JF, I just do not do Facebook or open any links to it. I've spent a lot of time and effort in making sure all my devices are invisible to Zuckerberg and refuse to compromise on that.

So I just assumed that the talk I linked was the one you mentioned. But it turns out that she's given lots of talks and interviews over the past 6 weeks.

"Why blame and offend China? Chinese people are proud and intelligent."

I don't think anyone's blaming the "Chinese people", just their duplicitous government. There is now some evidence that there was something going on in Wuhan back in October 2019.

If Cahill (and many others) are right about hydroxychloroquine + zinc, there will (or rather should) be hell to pay since it seems at the moment that the main argument against it is that Trump promoted it ie politics over science.



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It seems that WHO have again changed their mind on asymptomatic transmission of the disease - or had it changed for them. The same 'expert' who said studies found it rare that asymptomatic transmission occurred now says those studies are unreliable - a bit like WHO in that regard. Clearly the original observations were 'unhelpful' and the new observations better suit those supporting the social distancing dogma. So draw your own conclusions

mhaze,

What if it turns out that the WuFlu virus is in fact a genetically modified strain of SARS developed by China as a biological weapon?

What should we do with China if this is the case?

Harvard researchers are saying that based on ancillary information the WuFlu virus was actually active in Wuhan around July 2019, about six months earlier than China reported it.

The WuFlu virus might in fact turn out to be a biological weapon test that went eerie.

'What if it turns out that the WuFlu virus is in fact a genetically modified strain of SARS developed by China as a biological weapon?

What should we do with China if this is the case?'

well Mr O our highly educated uni graduates and professors will still blame US and particularly Trump. The narrative is all that counts for the abc and regressives not facts or truth. Remember we are the most dumbed down generation for a long long time.

Based upon my reading on this, my guess is that the virus escaped from the Wuhan research labs. The labs were working on Coronavira in general and manipulating genomes to see how they worked and what types were most dangerous to humans.

It was work that the US used to also do but they decided that it was too dangerous and closed down their research about 5 years ago. And remember that the bio-security in the US labs was vastly stronger than that in the Chinese labs. Even so the US thought it too dangerous.

But the Chinese persisted even though their lack of bio-security had been questioned often. They were anxious to demonstrate that their research was on a par with the west's.

We already know that there are people in Chinese gaols for selling animals from these labs. One chap made thousands selling animals that were supposed to be killed and incinerated because they'd been used in experiments. The animals were sold to the live (wet) markets.

So my guess is that we have a similar situation with an animal infected with Wuflu being stolen and sold in the Wuhan wet market.

The government probably knew quite early what was going on but thought they could control it and hide the error from the world. They failed.

We'll never know the truth. The Chinese could never permit such a truth to come out - it would be the end of the regime. And they have plenty of supporters (eg WHO) to help them cover up.

Mr Opinion,

Do you have a link to Harvard covid July 2019?

Thanks in advance.

JF Aus,

I think I saw it on MSN News. I'll have a look to see if I can find it.

Harvard Medical researchers did a study of satellite images of the 11 hospitals in Wuhan and noticed increasing numbers of cars at these sites from around July 2019. They correlated this with web site clicks by people in the area searching for symptoms similar to the WuFlu. They are saying that a strong correlation of these two suggest that something was going on out of the normal and concluded it was the beginnings of the WuFlu.

JF Aus

Here is the link:

http://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/coronavirus-may-have-spread-in-wuhan-in-august-harvard-research-shows-but-china-dismissive/ar-BB15eC5v

JF/ Mr O

It wasn't July. It was October 2019. One report here but it was covered in lots of places...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/08/satellite-images-packed-wuhan-hospitals-suggest-coronavirus/

Not just cars but also mobile phone usage and internet searches. I mentioned this a coupla days ago on this thread.

mhaze,

The MSN News item I cited above says earlier than October.

Mr O just for you.

Based upon my reading on this, my guess is that the virus escaped from Mhaze's house. Mhaze was knocking up a batch of his famous Bat Soup. Before Mhaze could add the tiny taters, and diced carrots, his pot boiled over. Mhaze was off watching telly at the time, re-runs of Huckleberry Hound cartoons. Several viruses escaped out the back door where they caught a cab to Wuhan, they booked themselves into a research laboratory, mistakenly believing it was a rest home for old virus. At the home a fiendish Lithuanian doctor who was also staying at the same laboratory, his name escapes me, but you can read all about him in the link I will not supply did naughty things with those poor little viruses. The rest is now history!

Paul,

I used to be in a group where that kind of writing was considered the height of wit and sophistication.

Then I graduated to Year 3.

If the Victorian resurgence of the virus can be stopped, OK open state boarders, but only if it is stopped.

Meanwhile lets jump on the movement by government to give the elite academic sector a new chance if reinfecting the country, by allowing a new influx of over seas students. This must be stopped. Time for the academics to join the dole queue, like the little people in hospitality & retail among others. Morrison will start this rort again at his peril. There is no way he or his government will survive if a single case is reintroduced.

Even more important is the complete stop to any form of immigration for the foreseeable future. It is probably too late to save the once great place Oz was, but we can at least making it worse.

Phil,

We need to open all the borders especially the international border in order to start bringing in all those millions of cashed up Chinese we need to restart the economy.

Dear mhaze,

You write;

"Based upon my reading on this, my guess is that the virus escaped from the Wuhan research labs."

Reading what?

World class epidemiologists virtually to a tee say this was not a manufactured virus so it must have existed in the wild prior to being in any lab.

And what about this hyperbole?

"The Chinese could never permit such a truth to come out - it would be the end of the regime."

If events like Tienanmen Square fails to end a regime it is hardly likely any heat on the Corona Virus would do it.

Try an stick to the facts young fella, you and Armchair Critic will be besties soon if you don't watch it.

mhaze, we all read things differently, in fact without evidence we read it the way our mind set wants. It is ridiculous of you without evidence to claim the virus was manufactured in a Chinese lab, just as it is for me in my satirical piece to claim it was produced at your house. One is as silly as the other, mine is as laughable as yours, yet with your assumed self importance you would never see that.

Your man Trump claimed the very same thing without evidence, as he has claimed so much without evidence. Former Republican Secretary of State Colin Powell, a respected person by all sides of politics in America, has called out Trump as a habitual liar. I started a thread 'Is The United States About To Implode', that might not happen before November but if Trump is re-elected its a distinct possibility, as is the possibility of war with China under a Trump administration. Most of the time I don't care who is in the White House, a peanut farmer, a B grade actor, I don't care they are all a much of a muchness, but the thing about Trump is his extreme lust for power, and his total lack of integrity. qualities people like Hitler and Stalin possessed, now they were dangerous!

SteeleRedux,

What if it turns out that the WuFlu virus is in fact a genetically modified form of SARS?

I agree with the Graham-y letter but it should go further.
Truth is starting to be revealed so open all the borders immediately. Get over the academic regimented restart nonsense. Immediately get back to the way the economy was. All back to work now. The UN WHO WB IMF can pay for money owing and money lost. To help pay, defund the individual bureaucrats and academics and politicians who arranged the nonsense lockdown. Nothing sensible is impossible.

http://fee.org/articles/npr-mounting-evidence-suggests-covid-not-as-deadly-as-thought-did-the-experts-fail-again/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FEE-Freeman+%28Foundation+for+Economic+Education+-+Latest+Articles%29

JF,

Yeah, 115,000 deaths in the US so far - weak bastards ! 38 9/11s. Yes, open up immediately, let's go back to the target of herd immunity - we've forgotten that. The strong will survive, the weak will die. That's evolution, the survival of the fittest.

And in Australia - only 102 deaths ! What a waste of resources ! Empty hospital beds ! Billions lost just to save lives ! What a waste of opportunity to kill off the weak.

Joe

LOUDmouth,

Yes! No Mercy! Death to the unbeliever!

Start bringing in millions of Chinese, WuFlu virus or no WuFlu virus, and give us that Chinese future we have been craving for over the past 30 years. Long live Mao! Long live Andrew Forrest!

SR wrote:"World class epidemiologists virtually to a tee say this was not a manufactured virus..."

Epidemiologists? Virologists, perhaps?

I didn't say "manufactured" in the lab. Just that it escaped from the lab. While it might be true that it was actually created there, its much more likely that it was a natural virus that the lab was working on and for which the labs provided a mechanism to jump species.

Its also been suggested that the base CV-19 virus originated in a bat that is not found Wuhan or in the wet markets. Potentially the lab just bought the virus closer to human contact.

We also know that the labs were working on the genomes for coronavira since they've published quite a number of articles over the years on their research.

I'm not suggesting that there's definitive evidence in any direction. Just that, on the balance of probabilities, its more likely to have come from the lab than from the wet market.

Paul also thought I'd said 'manufactured'. So as per above.





SR wrote:"If events like Tienanmen Square fails to end a regime it is hardly likely any heat on the Corona Virus would do it."

In the same way as events like the 1968 Czech uprising's failure to end that regime showed it was unassailable? The Tiananmen Square massacre was a localised event that the regime was able to hide and suppress. This virus probably killed 10's if not 100's of thousands of Chinese and evidence that it was caused by government neglect or agency would be impossible to hide.

The regime is already on the nose in many parts of China and evidence that it was responsible would trigger further unrest. Whatismore, there is already moves in many parts of the world to disconnect from China and if such proof came out, those efforts would redouble. The economic effects of that would be disastrous for the regime.





SR wrote:"Try an stick to the facts young fella..."

Its really quite funny how SR thinks his opinion is the equivalent of fact.

Maybe the lockdown is intended purely for profit and another will follow due to a 'second wave' or some other excuse.
Possible motives are indicated if this phone call and the interview at this link are true.

http://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2020/06/13/julian-assange-just-called-to-talk-about-the-pandemics-effect-on-capitalism-politics/

JF,

Yes, losing hundreds of billions and being in e3bt for many years, is maybe the way to go if you want to make a profit, although I can't quite join those dots :).

Joe

Is 'unwary' the right description for people who overtake on a crest no matter what the road markings are?

Joe,

Bank robbers don't worry about debt.

Open everything immediately.

http://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-the-cdc-confirms-remarkably-low-coronavirus-death-rate-where-is-the-media?xrs=RebelMouse_fb&ts=1590527833&fbclid=IwAR2-j5ysGuU-aRB3nKz4gy-_aIbrE3Jf0D3mNjwaECmnqRKXVb7giSwfMbI

Dear JF Aus,

Mate some of the sites you are linking to a real sensationalist trash. Of course we shouldn't be dropping every precaution and returning to business as usual. It is only places like NZ who went hard have that luxury.

The continuing strength of our stock market shows that our economy hasn't been trashed by this effort to save Australian lives. The increased precautions have seen flu rates plummet saving further lives.

Relax old chap, it will be alright in the end.

ttbn, what are you talking about, or is that a bit of you usual gibberish?

One for the Forums 'Trumpter Fans', according to DANGEROUS DOCTOR DONALD; if America stops testing for coronavirus, then there will be NO cornavirus cases, PROBLEM SLOVED! The man a genius, why didn't we think of that. DANGEROUS DOCTOR DONALD should pass that one on to his mate, the conservative fruitcake in Britain, BUG RIDDEN BORIS!

SR,

Surely you should also refer to mainstream media that publishes so much sensationalist trash these days, so much so that many people have stopped buying that media.
Why should GrahamY need to spend time trying to open the border when MSM should be reporting the truth about the non-mass death 'covid' pandemic and draconian closures? And dire need to reopen.

As for links I have posted and that you refer to, can you provide evidence to incorrect main points you think are published? We all need to see the lies and where they are coming from, in order to push through the BS and spin.

Strength of our stock market is quite different to strength of the investors who lost all at the onset of covid restrictions, don't you think? Of course the opportunists who bought in at the bottom are gaining strength even right now. What a great outcome for those who designed the lockdown. Surely the pandemic lockdown and impact and opportunities were all thought through and planned.

When will the end occur?
Will there be another flu lockdown later this winter of next year and seasons after?
Sure, if everyone goes into quarantine permanently there will be no transmission of flu.
But who will grow and bring our food?
Who will provide fuel and pay truckers?
Who will be able to afford electricity for heating and cooking?
Many people are already in a dire situation, some already living in cars, more in the street.
Does all this covid draconian impact show up on the stock market?

Get over it. Open the borders. Flu will be around every year. And as usual it will be fatal for up to 650,000 especially those who have underlying problems. RIP those good people.

http://www.who.int/news-room/detail/14-12-2017-up-to-650-000-people-die-of-respiratory-diseases-linked-to-seasonal-flu-each-year

Paul,

There's a logic to Ttbn's wise words: like the other Donald, if you run off a cliff and are oblivious to gravity, you'll keep running, if at a slower pace - until you look down.

The moral is, Ttbn, DON'T LOOK DOWN !

Yes, if countries didn't test at all, there would be fewer cases on their books. There would also be no need to waste time trying to trace any carrier, since there wouldn't be any recorded anywhere - win-win !

And the flood of critical cases arriving at hospital doors would be a welcome relief from all those empty beds - win-win-win !

And if people feel a bit crook, all they have to do is drink a bit of disinfectant, and shine a strong light up their arses.

Not to worry, it'll all be over by Easter.

Thanks, Doctor Pussy Man !

Joe

JF Aus,

I agree with you: "Get over it. Open the borders."

I want to see millions of cashed up Chinese from the PRC swarming into the country.

Don't worry about them having the WuFlu because the CCP will guarantee they are not infected or even worse, asymptimatic.

JF, Ttbn,

I was impressed with the logic of President Trumpf, that he has been taking hexidexichloriquin for weeks, and hasn't got sick yet from the virus.

I've been trying a cheaper way: since February, whenever here has been a full moon, I go out at midnight and howl at it.

That's five times now, and I still haven't got the virus - so it must be working ! Yes, the neighbours get very irritated, all the local dogs bark their heads off, but I'll keep doing that, in the cause of genuine science and against 'fake' science, and all those phony 'experts' like Fauci: what does he know ?

Joe

Time to open up again.

Really ? It's that simple ?

An SA-WA-Queensland-NT bubble, maybe. Joined with NSW and Tasmania, maybe. Victoria, no.

And the Curve in much of the rest of the world is still on the up. The US is about to have an explosion in its mortality numbers. As Fauci gently observed, the US is still in its First Wave.

But I think he's mistaken about 200,000 deaths by November. I think, with the Death Curve about to start rising again this week or next, that total will be reached by the end of August. Maybe mid-August. So what will happen there when the heath systems are overwhelmed ? Gosh, will that hurt Trumpf's re-election chances ?

If only the rest of the world had followed Australia's example - more specifically, SA's example -prompt lock-downs, social distancing, masks, efficient tracing - of how to do it right.

Joe

It does look as if NSW are more than a bit clumsy in handling the flow in through their sea & airports.

Once can be an accident, but after the huge noise generated by their first catastrophe, can a second still be considered an accident