Foxy,

All that your do gooderism will achieve is more misery for Aboriginal people, not once have you addressed the issue of promised marriage and child brides.

Have you nothing to say about the mistreatment of young Aboriginal girls?

What about the right of an Australian girl to marry or not and when she so chooses?

Is Mise,

I don't think Foxy would be up to discussing this topic with you, especially to the depth that it deserves.

Obviously you're connected to the group going by your previous comments and sensitivity re this subject.

What traditional marriage system are we looking at? I'm guessing Crow-Omaha.

Opinion,

The only group that I'm connected with is Australia in this context and I want to see all Australians treated equally, not only Aboriginal girls but girls in other groups, such as Muslims.

Boys too, no male should be circumcised until he has reached the age of at least eighteen and certainly, it shouldn't happen out in the bush without anaesthetic and in unhygienic conditions even though the freshly broken bit of glass is clinically clean until the edge is touched.

Is Mise,

You know as well as I do that these are traditional practices associated with age grades.

And these and the particular marriage system a society have evolved are directed towards the survival of the group.

Some practices by men re women that appear to Westerners to be unfair and unequal are also directed towards protecting women. Like I was trying to tell Foxy, both the rational and irrational and conflict and consensus act to maintain a society. What looks strange to some is not so strange to others.

Any other social practices or things you object to?

Is Mise,

It seems you want to discuss the complex problems
of Aboriginal communities - such as the abuse of under
age children, family violence, alcoholism, and many others.
This information is available on the web.

You will find that - unable to deal with past traumas
and current neglect many Aboriginal communities break
down. The abuse and other problems are symptoms of the
collapse.

Many Aboriginal communities and families fracture and break
down because Aboriginal people cannot deal with their
current situation but also because many governments have
neglected basic services and infrastructure for decades.

We need to understand how Aboriginal people have come to
suffer from transgenerational trauma.

1) The first generation of Aboriginal people after
colonisation - Aboriginal men and boys were killed,
imprisoned, enslaved, driven away, and deprived of the
ability to provide for their families. Women became
single parents and many children were conceived through
rape and forced prostitution.

2) In the second generation, Aboriginal people were
rounded up and sent to missions and reserves where they
were further removed from being able to obtain work,
balanced diets, housing, sanitation, health care and
education. This is the stage that the misuse of alcohol
and drugs became embedded as a mechanism for coping with
grief and the profound loss of dignity.

3) In the third generation Aboriginal children were
removed from their fractured families and placed into
non-Indigenous care environments where they suffered the
horrors of forced inferiority, deprivation and abuse
as documented for all to read in the - Report of the
National Inquiry into the Separation of Aboriginal Children
from their Families - in April 1997.

The majority of these children became parents without
exposure to parenting and therefore the opportunity
to develop parenting skills.

4) The government created the 4th generation in 2007 with
the NT Intervention which added another level of trauma
especially to Aboriginal men who were wrongfully suspected
to be members of pedophile rings.

All of these experiences add to an onion-like layer of
grief and trauma. Stolen land, lost language, lost
customs, stolen children, incarceration, the list
goes on.

Is Mise,

If you want to focus on Aboriginal communities and
their perceived problems I suggest you start your
own thread on the topic.

I suspect that the problems within the Aboriginal
communities will bedevil Australia for many years
to come.