As for police officers having to use violence?

I'm sure that they have better training than that.
They can always call for back-up if the situation
needs it.

The motto of the police is to protect and serve -
not to attack wrong doers - no matter how bad
they are. Otherwise they should not be in the force.
Or their training needs to be improved.

Foxy,

Time to come out of your little cocoon.

Police officers are trained in the use of violence.

They have firearms to shoot offenders with if needs be; violence in the extreme.
They have Tasers, which are violent, to use one is to be violent.
They have Capsicum spray the effects of which are violent.
They have batons which are a violent weapon.

"Sorry don't buy it about Weary Dunlop and guns.
That's your gun-toting fantasy"

You know little about the man, that's for sure, stop fantasising.

Thanks Is Mise

I now realise why 40 years ago as a screw they taught me to use a batton and even fire a gun at a maximum security prison. One night a few shots were fired at a couple of screws on the tower but I suppose the guns we were given was just for fun.

Foxy,

I don't have a copy of "Weary's" biography and I don't remember if it is in his war diaries, but I'll have a look in the copy that he gave me.

However, there is a reference to him carrying his pistols, AFTER capture in
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=OOfMArb9-CAC&pg=PA245&lpg=PA245&dq=weary+dunlops+pistols&source=bl&ots=M1jiS7OgFz&sig=ACfU3U3MmHx3MlJ7hXZpSX9H72KsG7e_9Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj2tNbaxYPpAhWHcn0KHd5IAugQ6AEwGXoECA4QAQ#v=onepage&q=weary%20dunlops%20pistols&f=false
page 245, final paragraph.

You may apologise at your convenience.

To Is Mise

I see your points. violence is used and justifiably used by those in the military or in police service. If the slogan of violence is not ok applies to them, then that breaks down too much that keeps us protected as a response to other threats and acts of violence.

I guess I read the slogan to only apply to violence in crime or in abuse. (Call it a blind spot in my thinking or an automatic filter in my thinking for how it would be applied, either way my bad). However you're right if that attitude is applied to any violence then it would be a destabilizing force to the community.

That said having a common slogan might be a first step to a growing problem. Maybe there's a better slogan out there to address any of the issues noted in the news with violent attacks.

Whether it be domestic abuse which happens under the radar too often, or from more public assaults like a group of people attacking an outsider, or a assaulting a woman, or any other troubling news from say Muslim attacks or from gang related violence.

There are a lot of violent acts out there that being too specific doesn't address it all. Either way a slogan won't answer anything except put it in the minds of people to get out of a violent situation (if it's regular like domestic abuse) or stand against other violent crime instead of ignore it. More then a slogan is needed, like a heavier police force to enforce the rule, or just more people in the population with some kind of defensive training to keep the more violent aware that their actions will cause consquences on them.

Either way my solution are pro violence in response to violence. So
I'm not disagreeing with what you've said so far,

Issy, as a violent person yourself, you see violence as a means to justify an end. You call Buddha stupid, a human being of far greater intellect than either you or I. When I say; "all violence is the end result of human failure", its something you can't comprehend. You only see mindless action, reaction, based on your animal instincts.

You said; "One of my instructors in basic Infantry training killed over 200 Japanese soldiers in one day"...."Three of them killed around 300 Japanese". What is unacceptable is how human failure, long before the act of killing so many, allowed these terrible evens to come about. Your simple justification of get them before they get us, is understandable but flawed, you simply view the action in isolation, and cannot see the root cause, which is to be avoided.

How do you see war? Like a cricket match, something to be planned and executed, or as a failure to be avoided.