Dear Yuyutsu,

What utter dismissive tripe mate.

This was from evidence at the Royal Commission.

“From the witness box Philip Nagle held the black-and-white picture aloft – his grade-four photo from St Alipius Primary School in 1974.
There were rows of boys in uniform, the taller ones smiling and standing up the back, the little ones seated and cross-legged at the front.

They should all be middle-aged by now, like Philip Nagle, 50. But instead, a third of the boys in the image are dead, believed by suicide. “

And

“Andrew Collins, 46, was abused between the ages of seven and 14 by four different men in Ballarat, and is now a spokesman for the Ballarat and District Survivors Group who seek redress and openness.
Mr Collins said his group mostly struggled with poor relationships and substance abuse, receiving help only in emergencies as they "lurch from one crisis to the next".

Ten members of his group have killed themselves in the past 12 months.

"It's a living hell."

Mr Collins himself had a breakdown a decade ago, and still suffers from depression and PTSD. Some days getting out of bed is all he can do – or can't.”

http://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/suicide-common-among-clergy-sex-abuse-victims-in-ballarat-20150519-gh535a.html

Every single teacher at the St Alipius Primary School in 1974 was abusing children.

You are belittling the victims deaths, claiming it to be moral failings on their behalf. That is terrible and disgusting blame shifting. I didn't really pick you as one of the loathsome apologists that slink around OLO. Please reflect on what you have said.

- rates of abuse still continue at massive rates in Indigeneous
- despite lies from abc and Victorian Police advertising for victims no solid proof presented
- even left leaning High Court 7 nil saying innocent man gaoled for over 400 days

yep the haters and liars dig in. Just love to believe their own lies while trying convince everyone that they are the virtuous ones who care for victims while demonstrating they could not care less about truth or justice. Keep it up guys!

runner,

Everyone knows what you are trying to do.

We know that paedophilia extends beyond the Catholic clergy but we don't need you trying to draw our attention away from the crimes committed by the Catholic clergy and get us to focus our attention onto another group in order to take the heat off the Pells Angels.

And the shameful part of what you are doing is that the group you want people to focus on is one of the most victimised groups that history has ever recorded. How can you live with yourself? Is protecting paedophile priests so important to you that you are willing to sacrifice your own humanity? SHAME ON YOU!

Dear SteeleRedux,

Given, there was systematic abuse in St Alipius Primary School over years.

But there were, and unfortunately still are, systematic abuses in many other settings where reactions were quite different.

Some victims since dedicated their remaining life to revenge.
Others left it all behind, started new families and lived happily ever after (or recently died in their 90's or 100's of COVID-19).
And some, being thankful to remain alive, turned into saints and dedicated their life so others will never suffer similarly.

Overall, survivors who turned to alcohol and drugs were a tiny minority, yet the children of St. Alipius were an exception. Why?

I allege some underlying issue in their families, that most likely, substance abuse, poor relationships and suicide were always rife in that group, which could be the very reason their families never intervened, never listened to their children, never took the teachers to account, never moved their children to other schools. We could possibly look into the underlying physical and spiritual reasons for these families to fail so miserably, but for now this will suffice.

Why of all possible responses, these families chose to turn against themselves? Would that be your response, whether in that or in any other abusive situation? I also suffered abuses of sorts (and who didn't?), but I know that I would never have responded that way!

That much for systematic abuse over years, so to claim that a single (or dual) abuse over a few minutes could turn the ship of your psyche all around, is ludicrous. What happened (assuming it happened) could only expose that the seeds and roots of self-harm were already there, and had it not been a particular event to trigger them to germinate, then probably there would be another.

Josephus,

Talking about the young man who died from a drug overdose
and was sexual abused and his father who now will be
filing a civil suit. You said there was no evidence?
Actually there was.

Witness J (the other young choirboy) is the evidence.
It is very common for survivors of sexual abuse to turn
to drugs as a way to block out the abuse.

The release of the royal commission 's findings may shed
some light about Pell's conduct in Ballarat.

Lets also not forget that the high court appeal did not
ask whether Pell committed the offences. It asked
whether the two majority judges in the Victorian court of
appeal in dismissing Pell's earlier appeal made an
error about the nature of the correct legal principles
or their application.

Careful analysis of the full reasoning of the high court
is required to fully assess the court's decision.
But for now this extraordinary outcome is strange
justice. Pell won on a legal technicality.

In contrast, the complaiant has been believed by a jury,
by a majority judgement, and by a substantial body of
public opinion.

The civil cases that will follow (I'm sure there will be
more than one) should prove interesting. I doubt
if anyone will be laughing as one poster suggested.

'Pell won on a legal technicality.'

One wonder how you lie straight in bed Foxy.