Hey mhaze,
Yeah, well RationalWiki is supported by Snopes, Washington Post and the Guardian.
Is that where you get your info from?

I don't make the news, I just share it.
You regurgitate useful idiot narratives.

mhaze, like you I see thing from my political perspective, which is what you would describe as "leftwing", something opposite to your own view, you are no more even handed than I am. I point to the fact that the wiz brains were lying when they claimed the budget was back in the black, and your defence of these liars is "Well Labor did it also!", is that some kind of defence according to you. Swan if he lied, and he probably did somewhere along the way, suffered the consequences, namely the loss of office. Should the gang of wiz brains you are trying to defend also suffer the same fate?

Did Morrison go along to the football? Me thinks not, ScumO' would have scored an own goal if he had. Also, despite the sudden change of rules regarding contact with Coronavirus hard case Dutton, and the its all okay till Monday nonsense, Morrison is being tested for the virus. BTW my footy team the South Sydney Rabbitohs, did the ScumO' mob 22-18, before a dismal crowd of about 2700.

Armchair asks: "RationalWiki is supported by Snopes, Washington Post and the Guardian.Is that where you get your info from?"

Well they're not my first choice of reliable sources, but they are orders of magnitude more reliable than Globalresearch. How anyone could give a site that writes of North Korea as being 'A Land of Human Achievement, Love and Joy' even a second thought is beyond ration understanding.

Aidan,

I didn't miss the point. I just utterly reject your point. Future generations will pay for current borrowing in lower standards of living than would otherwise be the case.

Paul,
Nowhere will you find me defending the current government's surplus forecasts. Since you are so partisan you assume everyone else is as well. But not so.

I'm in favour of budgetary rectitude but a surplus isn't a surplus until its banked no matter who claims it. My main beef is with the trend toward treating forecasts, predictions and targets as established facts. It grows out of governmental inability to deliver and the electorates anxiety to be misled.

Not so Mhaze, defence by deflection "the former was worse", you use that irrelevant fact as an excuse to mitigate to the actions of the present regime, the one you favour. What, when discussing the present lie by these clowns does the actions of another clown 10 years ago have relevance? Other than you political view wants to favour the present clowns.

Paul,

You can't get your mind around this, can you? I'm not partisan in this. I'm not trying to defend the current government. I DIDN'T vote for it. Although I didn't so much vote for the ALP as vote against the Libs.

But I'm not outraged by the 'lost' surplus. It was always going to be ephemeral at best. It was always a promise made without much conviction for electoral rather than fiscal purposes. As are almost all government promises these days.

I'm not raising one example to defend another. All I was doing was showing, with your help, that your outrage at this lost surplus wasn't based on principle but on taking sides. That is, the outrage was hypocritical.

I think people are smart enough to know that had Dutton, Morrison and Abbott not stopped the boats our ecomony would be far worse and risk of disease and terrorism far higher. People are also smart enough that anyone believing and pushing for zero emissions are total frauds or economic vandal or both.