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700,000 Unemployed But But They Still Want More Migrants

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Looks as though the migration problems have been solved, courtesy of COVID-19 !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 7:32:22 AM
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Since my last Post COVID-19 appears to have killed off GW also. Wow ! Two birds with one stone !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 5:20:53 PM
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It's an extremely complex battle that is going on between the different vested interests with respect to immigration and employment.

For example farm work-

generally seasonal, often very low pay (less than award), can be dangerous (there appears to be a higher number of accidents), often requires good fitness, may require travelling long distances to work.

Immigrants and working holiday people will do this work for free or lower wages because they aren't doing it for the money- they are doing it for the opportunity of getting residency or a longer visa.

It's hard for the individual farmers because they have to sell into a market in which they are competing with foreign imports that have even lower standards of OHS, wages.

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Standard solutions to compete with a competitor with lower costs is to invest in technology or increase scale. I believe that if Australia wants to have a future identity for its children and people Free Trade Liberalism won't achieve it. Socialism is a similar system to Capitalism in the fact they are both globalized- the main difference is who manages the system.

The larger the market the greater the opportunity for profit- that's perhaps why the biggest businesses in the best position to exploit this opportunity want this- but should we be pursuing profit at the expense of everything and everyone else- of course not. Balance is required. Sun Tzu said that an army that continues to find new battles will eventually burn itself out- but it will leave a burnt out waste land as it's legacy. Profit comes from productivity and productivity is very important for any group of people (or even animals) but if this years productivity hurts next years productivity is it productive?? Different peoples view of what productivity is is different- for example some people believe that if Australia produces things in a way that takes away their childrens, their families, their cultures future then why should they support it.
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 11:07:26 AM
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For me- if Australia's productivity benefits someone else- why should I contribute. Some might say you do benefit- as if I'm deluded as to my perception of reality- but really so that they can continue to benefit from the assymmetry. I agree the world isn't fair- Jordan Petersen says that value leads to inequality leads to hierarchy- others have said freedom is not free- perhaps if we can keep more of the governing at the small scale rather than the large it will be fairer. The people should govern themselves more rather like parochial societies (parish societies)- sometimes they will need to come together to deal with common problems.

The problem with hierarchy is the ones at the base are disempowered and alienated. So perhaps there need to be standards and principles to prevent bracket creep in power structures. As hierarchies contain more and more people with complex interactions this is becoming more and more necessary.

There is the claim that social security is socialist in nature but they aren't the only political system that uses forms of social security in different situations- the communists are often subversive agents that seek to make western countries unsustainable. You could argue that the military is a socialist system I guess.

Maybe this is a point where we could go back to "basic principles" on what society is and what a persons role is within society. Of course the socialists will argue that our view is biased by our environment (tradition) and therefore is wrong- but this doesn't mean that socialists/ communists are right.

Where does this leave us? No one is right? With Nihilism? Maybe Existential Subjectivism?
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For example Taxi work-

This seemed that it used to be one of the "go to" jobs for those that needed a bit of money- such as students and the young- there is some barrier to entry as you need a licence but if you worked for a few months in restaurant work you could raise the necessary funds to pay for it.
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 11:10:14 AM
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Some people claimed that they couldn't get a taxi quickly at three am on a Monday night because the Australian's wouldn't stay out if they only made $2 per hour so we needed to bring in more immigrants to because Australian's were just unwilling to do this sort of work. As the immigrants came into the industry they were willing to work for $2/hour and permenant residency. And to make Australia pay for the high cost of the University fees- rather than our intention to obtain valuable foreign money. One interesting lesson of how the money has flowed from poor but productive hard working Australian's -to- relatively "well off" Universities selling out Australia -to- foreign interests that aren't able to manage their populations or nations.

Now most of the taxi work is seemingly dominated by indians and other new immigrants seeking to come to Australia for economic benefits.

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One of the consequences of Liberalism both Social and Economic (Communists and Capitalists) has been to ignominiously relegate the working poor to unemployment and abuse rather than providing the ladders of success of honorable productive and sustaining work.

If we want to fix the issue of unemployment we need to try to create these ladders of success- and finding people at the bottom nurture them into tall trees. Once upon a time perhaps if people were found to be idle or sick the community gathered around them- multi-culturalism/ multi-communalism hasn't improved this- I find that this philosophy is best embodied in Traditional Parochialism.

Everyone goes to work for the same reason.

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The arguments for different positions on immigration, social security, business, government is highly political and often the view points are typically highly biased in favour of the presenter and their political groups power. Usually on analysis simple posiions are not so simple- and lead you to unexpected uncomfortable conclusions.
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 11:11:30 AM
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ttbn,

<<the workers needed in the regions should be filled by unskilled migrants, who won’t mind the “dirty”, “smelly” jobs that Australia’s unemployed refuse to do, according to Julian Leeser, MP, member for Berowara, and chairman of a Federal Joint Committee on the matter.>>

I am not suggesting alternatives for overseas students who need to be in the major or regional cities and may be taxi drivers.

There are jobs in Australia that Aussies will not do. Take a read of the article, 'Why Aussies aren’t rushing to fill the thousands of vacant mining jobs', http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/mining/why-aussies-arent-rushing-to-fill-the-thousands-of-vacant-mining-jobs/news-story/ada130f16c04d3c6dd61e964eb82632e

So, there are tens of thousands of well-paid jobs, particularly in the mining industry, but Aussies don't want to endure the tough conditions. That's why we still need migration visas.

Yes, there are many jobs for specialists in their field, however there are those with job descriptions like this:

Driller Assistants
Listed six days ago6d agoat Boart Longyear

This is a Casual/Vacation job
location: DarwinDarwinclassification: Mining, Resources & EnergyMining, Resources & Energy
subClassification: Mining - Exploration & GeoscienceMining - Exploration & Geoscience

FIFO from Darwin
Excellent ongoing training and developmental opportunities
Expressions of Interest for May 2020 start

We are now looking for Expressions of Interest for Driller Assistants flying ex Darwin for project starting early Mary 2019, http://www.seek.com.au/mining-jobs

seek.com has over 2,000 job vacancies in rural Australia, http://www.seek.com.au/rural-jobs

seek.com has 1,457 rural farm vacancies, http://www.seek.com.au/farm-jobs

If these jobs can't be filled by Aussies, I understand why managers seek employees from overseas and even sponsor them to come here.
Posted by OzSpen, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 3:29:21 PM
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