The director general of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (Asio) Mike Burgess has warned that the threat of rightwing extremism in Australia was real and growing. Burgess said the number of overall terrorism leads under investigation had doubled over the past year. The director general did not mention leftwing extremism at all during his media address. Home Affairs minister Peter Dutton said it was important for security agencies to deal with threats from both rightwing and leftwing “lunatics”. Has there been an overemphasis on leftwing and Islamic extremism while being blindsided by the rise of ultra rightwing extremism in Australia?

Paul,

I've never understood how Islamist extremism could possibly be left-wing - surely, as the rotten excrescence of the most reactionary versions of a not-too-progressive religion, Islamism is extremely right-wing ?

Yes, yes, there are many varieties of what might be called right-wing extremism - fascists don't particularly like each other. But surely any ideology which calls for the extermination of entire groups, as both neo-Nazi and Islamist fascism do, is right-wing ?

Or am I completely naive ?

Joe

You're right, Joe. Genuine leftwing extremism mostly died out when the Soviet Union collapsed - there are a few exceptions around the world, but most (probably all) are in decline.

Many people, particularly on the right, have tried to associate Islamism with the left because the left generally believe the Palestinians deserve a fair go, and the right-wingers are more likely to be antiIslamic. But it's not a good fit, and is really just an artefact of older people seeing things through a left v right prism.

Hi Aidan,

That Palestinians deserve a fair go, is a completely different issue, which the 'left' confuse, and exploit, and in the process, conveniently overlook the terrorist atrocities of splinter groups. But surely that doesn't justify terrorist acts, even if they could be 'understood' that way ? By definition, a terrorist act can never be justified.

Cheers,

Joe

It feels like a curtsy to Israel if you ask me.

One thing that should be noted is that near 20% of the worlds investment in cyber security goes to Israel.
If you don't bow to them, they might use their capabilities against you.
And Israel isn't afraid to put their cyber tools into the hands of dictators if it suits their own global agenda.

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-israel-s-cyber-spy-industry-aids-dictators-hunt-dissidents-and-gays-1.6573027?fbclid=IwAR2X4-E0m6P8thLCpmC5tuVKSR0qmLQ1Vxt97HSPQ1bU2ZnaXiJLtKdii3Y

I read an article a few days back where Mike Burgess stated we should be more like Israel in our approach to cyber security.
I'd say this is an acknowledgement they are the global leader in this field.
The articles a few years old though.
https://www.policyforum.net/learning-israels-cyber-playbook/

People who think US and Russia are the worlds superpowers are living in the past.
It's Israel that is the global leader in tech and surveillance, and China who rule the worlds manufacturing.
They are both nuclear powers and they are the planets new superpowers.
The US and Russia are no more than husks of a largely bygone era, though they still have significant military capabilities.

Neo-Nazis?
Ok I'm sure there's a few, doing the old mock beheading but this isn't the 80's with widespread groups of skinheads wearing Doc Martins crowding your local shops.
Who are they kidding?
Did Hilter mustaches suddenly come into fashion?

No mention of Islamic terrorists running people down on the streets and beheadings - it's Neo Nazis that are the problem?

Israel hates Hezbollah not ISIS.
Why does this feel like the same stupid thing?

It feels like baby steps in a war on nationalism in support of globalism and the expansion of the use and definition of anti-semitism.

2020 here we are.

Leftists a way more extreme right-wing than Conservatives !

I forgot to add that there's a huge difference between ..ists & wing !

Talk about pot kettle black.

Extinction rebellion.
GetUp.
Greenpeace.
Australian Conservation Foundation.

How many more do you want. They are all ratbag lefty groups who are more extreme than anything the right ever even envisages.

Is this meant to be a joke, or are you so far left you can't see what is directly in front of you.

Thinking more on this.
There ain't no battleground on the streets of Neo-Nazis rampaging the suburbs, that'd be African gangs.
With ANTIFA groups rampaging in the cities.

The battlefield they're referring to is the internet and battle for hearts and minds and public opinion.
This is total BS.

Where are the bashings and bombings and acts of terrorism from the neo-nazis?
SHOW ME.
This ain't 1939

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-26/compulsory-holocaust-victorian-education/12001214

You see

Joe,
> But surely that doesn't justify terrorist acts, even if they could be 'understood' that way ?
Of course it doesn't. What you seem to have failed to understand is that the left are as solidly anti terrorism as the right. The difference is what they think is the most effective way of preventing it. Generally the left seek to understand why people become radicalised and to address the perceived injustices which motivate them, while the right prefer to rely on increasing surveillance.

AC; the Holocaust, being one of the most significant events of the 20th century, do you not agree it should be taught in detail in secondary schools?

The terms left and right, we can blame the French for that, might be good for differentiating groups, the fascist, the communists etc, but how far removed from each other are they really, I see both as having much in common. Maybe I agree with Dutton, both are extreme and a danger to society.

That does not answer the question as to what Mike Burgess was warning of. Neo-Nazies and other White Supremacists groups have always been viewed as dangerous to a degree, but not seen as an organised threat to society. Microscopic ratbag group in number, they have never been viewed as having the organisational leadership to be taken seriously. Of course any lone-wolf, or tiny group can be by themselves potentially be very destructive if left unchecked. Is that what Mike Burgess was talking about?

still the most dangerous place by a long way in Australia is inside your mother's womb. Probably the next most violent are those who promote the killing of the unborn.

Paul,

Hayek's Triangle - the three poles of fascism, communism and democracy, with gradations of 'left' and right in between the poles.

That's okay, glad to be of service :)

Joe

should be taught in detail in secondary schools?
Paul1405,
Definitely, right after the Russian revolution has been taught !

Joe,
Hayek saw the world in a very limited way. The square of the political compass is a much better representation than his triangle.

Hey Paul1405,

"AC; the Holocaust, being one of the most significant events of the 20th century, do you not agree it should be taught in detail in secondary schools?"

I don't know. Probably not.
What exactly does holocaust curriculum consist of?

Do you know what a 'holocaust' is?
- A 'burnt offering', but an offering to what?
(That's just some side trivia)

I think it's fair to say my opinion's going to be biased here.

I think many peoples from many nations have been persecuted over time.
Many peoples and cultures have probably been wiped out completely.
I don't like the idea of raising one persecuted people above all others.
I don't think Jews should get any special treatment because of something that happened decades ago.
There's no more Nazi's to persecute, and I don't think anyone should be made to feel guilty or responsible for things that happened before they were born.

Does curriculum include the Jewish boycott and declaration of war against Germany,24 March 1933?
http://tinyurl.com/tsft7gz

What about controversy regarding the facilities at Auschwitz?
http://tinyurl.com/y72yxrmk
http://tinyurl.com/rhq867j

I don't know that the piles of dead weren't people who starved after the US bombed the rail supply lines to the camps.
I don't know what the truth is and I don't really know what to believe.

There's plenty of other things I could also add, but it would come out all conspiratorial.

For example:
Max Warburg funded Hitlers rise.
Max Warburg's brother Paul Warburg founded the US federal Reserve and his nephew James Warburg appeared on February 17 1950, before the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations and said, "We shall have world government, whether or not we like it. The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or by conquest."

Illuminati started with Rothschild Weishaupt and Frank.
If you look at the bigger picture you'll find Illuminati is connected to Masonry and Albert Pike spoke about 3 World Wars.
You need to look at all this stuff in a greater context.

I won't support anything that acts to increase the use and definition of 'anti-semitism'.

'anti-semitism'.
I think the bolder they get in pushing their agenda/presence the more anti-semitism will intensify !
People are simply tiring of groups constantly pushing themselves to the forefront !
Why don't these people simply just do their thing at home & stop being in our faces ?

Hey individual,

Exactly.
I may come across as being anti-semitic in my opinions on things;
But the real directive that motivates me is ethics.

'Everybody has the right to live as they choose so long as it doesn't have a negative or detrimental effect on others.'

If others respected this and didn't wish to socially engineer and dictate everything for their own agendas I'd have no reason to complain.

I have long said that it's aways the perpetrators bleating victim !

I take it that most people who join extremist groups like extinction rebellion or Jew hating groups are full of anger. I suspect many have not grown up in loving families. Most violent men in prisons either hate their father or have little to do with their fathers. The obvious conclusion is that fatherless societies results in much anger and violence. No matter how much money is poured into ideologies such as those of Rose Batty nothing will change unless the destruction of the natural family is reversed. I suspect many of the tantrum throwing extinction rebellion girls have never been fathered properly.

"History is written by the Victors."

And as Runner quite correctly points out, extremism can take many forms.

Is it not extreme to lock up children without charge or trial, indefinitely, in circumstances known to produce adverse medical outcomes? So bad in fact in this place that some hospitals refused to discharge their patients.

Is it not extreme to distribute falsehood visa vi one's own history e.g. teach the kiddies about jolly old captain cook?

Is it not extremism to run one armed kangaroo courts that make judgements and orders in absentia, without admission, without testing the veracity of the facts, ignoring the entire history of a case such that "double jeopardy" abounds and ignorantly at times admitting "evidence" from the jurisdiction of other countries where no laws of "extra-territorial" power are in effect?

Is it not extremism to classify a people as animals in the post WWII era and continue to inflict genocidal policies and all manner of atrocities and crimes against humanity against them?

There are no limitations on the kinds of crimes inflicted by the crown against the original people of this country and if and or when they violently revolt it would be in my view a case of "self defence."

And at the very least, a vote for mainstream politicians is a vote to maintain the disposition, so no one ought be surprised that they teach mostly falsehood.

"The crown is a baby stealing, child abusing, parasitic and genocidal institution and its knowing and obliging servants are filth."

Typo - "disposition" should read "dispossession."

"History is written by the Victors."
rEPRUSu,
Yes, & afterwards it's re-written by ignorant Academics !

Individual,

surely there are some good writers amongst academics?

you are a bit harsh, me think.

I have met a few out of the many I have met.

you are a bit harsh, me think

Chris Lewis,
They're harsher !
Or, don't you ever watch Q&A or Insight or The Drum etc ?
At least I mouth off from personal experience !
I actually think that there should bet a clear distinction/description made to separate the scholars from the Academics because the scholars undeservedly & unfairly get lumped into the same category as Academics.

Indy,
You seem to want a society run by the uneducated. Why is that?

want a society run by the uneducated.
Paul1405,
Your reply is indicative of why Academia needs to be kept out of decision making !
I never said I was against the educated, on the contrary, I want educated people in decision making not mere Academics.
Academics are merely indoctrinated, not educated. Educated people become useful professionals unlike Academics who never display any common sense & only sabotage good will & progress ! Being insipid is not progressive !
When's the last time you've seen an Academic on TV making sense ?
How many Academics do you know that have done something that has proven to improve our social & economic situation ?
How many such Academics do you know that are pulling their weight in private enterprise ?
From my computer's Dictionary;
academic; not of practical relevance; of only theoretical interest: the debate has been largely academic.

Indy,
Why do you denigrate those with uni degrees. Bang on about the 95% of claimed no goods in the PS. What is your own level of education?

you denigrate those with uni degrees
Paul1405,
calling them out is not denigrating ! My education is as poor as it can get yet throughout 52 years of working it was proven to me time & time again that being educted didn't make people useful. On the contrary, most eductated people are only employable in Govt Depts. where no system of performance/accountability checks is in place.
Or, can you just sit there & tell us that with all these educated people in Govt/Public Service this is as good as it can be ?

Indy, in what country did you attend school? Basic education is good in Australia. You were a refo and did not get the chance I assume.

give me people capable of thinking anyday over overrated degrees. You get more sensible answers out of dodo's than you do the Democrats in America or the abc/greens in Australia. Having degrees don't stop lying feminist making up stories, gw alarmist spewing out outright lies or bureacrats destroting industries through incompetence and leftist ideology. Many teachers these days are still illerate after doing teaching degrees. They then play students mythology such as Al Gore nonsense or tell boys with a penis they are girls. Generally its not the deplorables or quite Australians pushing this c ap. Its highly brainwashed professors are blided by ideology.

Two of my 3 kids have degrees. One is a Dr and the other has a couple of degrees from anu with first class honours. By far the smartest and biggest money earner is the one that did not get a degree.

runner your man Archy Pell has lots of degrees. You never did condemn Pell, just claimed he was the victim. You never say what church you are in, to ashamed. I'm proud to be a paid up member of THE GREENS political party. Not like you who never names his CHURCH. I wonder why.

Archy Pell has lots of degrees.
Paul1405,
But, the Penny's still not dropping ?

it does not surprise me Paul that you are fixated on Pell. I happen to believe that he is a victim of a very corrupt court decision. I have no time for the Catholic church as I have stated numerous times. You can't help but to continue your lying narrative that the Greens and others with no decency persist in. All paedophiles including the who have been members of the Greens who have been found guilty beyond reasonable doubt should be castrated. Pell in my opinion is paying for the sins of the catholic church which are numerous. Imagine you had to pay for the sins of the lying Greens. The key would be thrown away.

Every Govt Minister & Shadow Minister & head of Depts have all been to Uni so, we should really be entitled to expect a lot better than we get, shouldn't we ?
They would be well advised to watch small business people & wage earners how they manage to juggle their finances. They can''t just pull money out of a coffer that others keep filling up & be unaccountable when millions are squandered !

Oh please Runner don't talk to us about that filthy rock spider pell.

He was one of the decision makers who conspired to hide the truth from the nation and the world and intricately involved in moving rock spiders from one unexpecting parish to another.

Let alone that evil so-called "beyond healing" program.

Irrespective of whether he also buggered the under-aged or not, for the above 2 reasons alone he deserves far worse than a prison sentence.

If it were up to me, I would list the rock spider church with other evil groups, ban them, seize all of their property and assets and run them out of the country. Any decent but seriously misguided folk who still wanted to practice could go back to their homes for their "prayer" meetings.

Thereafter. ala star chamber, each and every one of them involved in these crimes would be hunted down and exterminated, wherever they are.

'Irrespective of whether he also buggered the under-aged or not, for the above 2 reasons alone he deserves far worse than a prison sentence.'

rEPRUSu

full marks for your honesty. That is exactly what many people think hence the outcome. Personally I would be in favour of him paying for any crimes you accuse him of if found guilty. Unfortunately they had to go along with what seemed made up crimes.

By your reasoning every pervert that has facilitated mardi gras should be locked up for the abuse of children. I probably dislike the Catholic church more than you but do believe in justice. You obviously don't.

Basic education is good in Australia.
Paul1405,
try & tell that to the small business managers who have to rely on 457 Visa jockeys because Australians had such good education that they became unemployable !

How about a bit of honesty from you runner and fess up to the fact you hide the so called "church" you are a member of, Pells's mob, your mob, you are all tared with the same brush. That is why you wont name your so called "church", you are ashamed of it and what would be exposed if you put its name out there. You are scared that I would do a bit of digging and expose your "church" for what it is. Just on your man Pell, he above any other criminal you can name has been given the most exhaustive avenues of defence through the appeal system that justice in this country can provide. Do you believe if he wasn't so well connected he would be able to appeal to the High Court of Australia, I don't think so. You have consistently painted Pell as the innocent victim, when he is nothing of sort, just a proven predator who abused young innocent boys, many times over.

happy to support any church preaching the gospel Paul. As for which one I attend none of your business.

Certainly not a "church" to be proud of is it runner, being such a secret. What is there to hide as if we don't know! BTW you claimed there were paedophiles in the GREENS, care to name them. For every one you can name, I could name a 100 in the "church".

Everybody just stay calm, don't panic, everything's going to be alright.

(It's not really, but that's what you tell people isn't it?)

'For every one you can name, I could name a 100 in the "church".'

as the champion of lying narratives I doubt it very much Paul.

Left-wing terrorism: it's certainly possible. My grandfather was a Wobbly, an anarchist although as far as I can tell a peaceful one. 100-150 years ago, anarchists across Europe (and the US) were assassinating leaders and politicians, at least one tsar and a US president, usually by blowing them up.

In order to preserve the respectability of the genuine left-wing, I would suggest that these anarchists were (and a few still are) were (are) more the fascist wing of a distorted 'left' rather than, in any way, its core. Of course, all causes have their ratbags, and both the Guillets Jaunes in France and the Extinction Rebellion have those elements in them. Under Stalin, they would have been the executioners. Under Hitler, the SS.

Sorry for getting the discussion off-track - please return to your petty squabbles :)

Joe

Runner, if I'm not mistaken, you believe wholeheartedly in the divinity of he who is known as "The Christ" Jesus by some.

I have no problem with that.

And that the crimes of the earthly church/es is a terribly vexed and most tortuous question for you. But that you would not ever want to "throw the Baby out with the bath water," so to speak.

Again, I have no problem with that and recognise the "Spiritual dilemma" of the situation which more than a few are faced with.

And, regarding pell, or anyone else for that matter, I do believe that he like any other is entitled to a fair hearing, notwithstanding in his case it would be no easy matter to find an impartial jury. It would perhaps have been better that he was judged by wig parasites alone.

However, whilst I may have heard something on the news to the effect that there was some question about whether he could have even been at the location of the incident which led to his imprisonment, other than that, I am completely unfamiliar with the case.

So, as there is much controversy surrounding this, and assuming the judgement has been published, why not put up a thread with a link to same and we will collectively do our best to impartially examine it.

I accept that he should have otherwise received a fair trial. And here again, the laws and court processes that govern child abuse allegations, if anything like those of domestic violence may will also be a bastardy of justice. Much of the "white trash law" in this country is.

But in any event, for my part, I am happy to examine this with you. And whilst there may be some who take the opportunity to "throw eggs," I think that you should not shy away from it on account of that alone.

Or are you only an "aspiring Christian" who does otherwise fear "Gethsemane?"

..

Incidentally, I am wondering if you enjoy to grow living things, like flowers? I have always enjoyed growing things.

btw, whilst I am no longer religious

(and often times highly irreligious and blasphemous)

I was raised Christian and later baptised into the "Church of the Mystic Christ" now known as the Independent Church of Australia.

They are eccentric, left of main and arguabley very progressive. So long as one is not intoxicated or hostile, everyone is welcome. As of last I heard the position of Meritus was shared by a woman and a gay man.

For right or for wrong, for better or worse, they are not harming anyone.

Now, some of my Islamic friends will tell you that it is quite self-delusional to assume one knows the mind of God/s and worse still to act as judge, jury and executioner in God/s name.

In the matter of LGBTism, I would suggest that whilst one is quite free to state ones own personal sexual preferences

(and I have personally only ever wanted to park my member in hot and wet puss)

that as these people are doing no harm, provided their sexual acts are conducted with those of age and with consent, that it really is a matter to leave in the capable hands of your God. Have a little faith that regardless of what happens "down here in the Hell of Earth that in the finality things will be set straight.

Do not be troubled by such things as it will only cause dissonance and ill health in your own mind.

Incidentally, my former church first married 2 scissoring Lesby girls here in Perth in 1971 and were run out of town for it and thereafter relocated to the eastern states.

rEPRUSu

Runner, if I'm not mistaken, you believe wholeheartedly in the divinity of he who is known as "The Christ" Jesus by some. That's true

I have no problem with that. thankyou

And that the crimes of the earthly church/es is a terribly vexed and most tortuous question for you. But that you would not ever want to "throw the Baby out with the bath water," so to speak.

Religion produces the best and worse of people. Over the last 100 years non religious people have certainly produced a tirade of evil from killing millions of unborn babies to sexualises children.
For sure the Catholic church and others have done great harm to children in their care. I suspect their abusers are at no greater rate than the general community. Leftist politicians have always hidden the sins of their members with many abusers in their ranks. I suspect here in Australia that the Catholic church which built many schools, hospitals and charities have don far more good than the virtue signalling immoral Marxist Greens who push lying narrative after lying narrative and has contributed nothing to this nation. I am fan of the Catholic church but seek to present truth rather than lying narratives.

tbc

rEPRUSu

As far as Pell's case is concerned, he has been a hunted man for decades by homosexual activist and the likes of our tax funded abc. He refused to give those practicing homosexuality communion. Many people including the usual Marxist on this forum found him guilty long before he had charges. The democrats have shown clearly in America that lying feminist and Marxist have been more than happy to make up false crimes, false rape accusations and lying narratives to those they dislike. Pell's crime had no witnesses. One deceased boy had admitted to his mother that he lied about Pell's abuse. The other so called victim has never been identified or cross examined. For him to be found guilty beyond reasonable doubt was totally idiotic and demonstrated how corrupt activist have made our court system. To think someone could be found guilty with no witnesses, who had alibi's when the crime was suppose to happen and was suppose to be done in full view of others. It showed that anyone hated enough by the lying liberal left media can be convicted of a highly unlikely crime.

tbc

Yes, well for sure there is some truth in what you say Runner, as once demonised it can be extra-ordinarily difficult to be treated fairly thereafter, but exactly to what extent that did or did not influence the decision remains for some us to see.

One of the legal issues in that regard is that it is often the lower court who make the initial "findings of fact"

(if it can be called that)

and thereafter the higher courts are usually reluctant to interfere with those findings unless there is highly compelling evidence to the contrary - a recognised flaw in the system here.

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As for the r.commission, and if I don't misrecall, there were serious allegations against some senior politicians, judges and the like that never saw the light of day on account of the fact that they were protected by being outside the terms of reference. And who do we have to thank for that? Was it gillard et al?

As for the greens, I was not aware that there were any credible allegations against any of them in this regard.

I would say that I was shocked and appalled by the French Baby Sitter under payment of wages allegations visa vi the former greens leader. Looking after children has got to be up there with some of the most important jobs that there is i.m.o. and to not reward these carers appropriately is quite abhorrent to me.

How it is that people want to vote for people who make rules allowing a wig parasite to charge upwards of $500 p.h. for writing your name on a piece of paper, or going for a stroll down to the local court is intensely pernicious.

Or a money grubbing dr charging upwards of a $1,000 p.h. for a simple test which practically, but not legally, could be done by a g.p. is even worse.

e.g. if you have a bad mouth/tooth infection and see your gp often times they have no choice but to send you away as the antibiotics required are off schedule.

Or a great tooth whitening solution could come from the chemist except that the products available have been likewise been made off-schedule.

Or having paid some optometrist to test your eyes they are allowed to withhold key information such as you "pupillary distance" in a vain attempt to force you into buying only from their product line up.

And what do they want to pay Child Care workers? Less than $30 p.h. These are the carers that encourage the best in terms of early education and childhood development, health and wellbeing for the next generation.

It just shows how bent and crooked this place is. And notice in the public arena it is if it is somehow wrong to talk of these things?

Absolutely atrocious.

One of the best things that this country could do would be to fully implement both a universal health and legal systems, where which case goes first is based on merit and triaging, not on how big your bank card is.

As for LGBT's and Communion, I would say there has long been some Churches more than happy to provide same.

My old Church for a very long time offered the so-called "Covenant of Love" ceremony which provided a religious marriage albeit having no legal effect at that time.

However, when it comes to abuse, the rock spider church has long demonised LGBT's, and still does through its schools etc so I find it eminently understandable and forgivable that they have sought to get some of their own back.

It's often the case in my observation that a group long repressed once unshackled seeks vengeance. Much of the problem with so-called "hairy backs" and "feminazis" is on account of the mistreatment of women for so long wouldn't you say?

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Runner as you well know THE GREENS have no convictions for Paedophiles unlike YOUR CHURCH which has hundreds! That's why you won't name it on here, to ashamed. Now admit it, it's crawling with rock spiders.

The South Korean government is considering laying murder charges against the leadership of the Christian church, SHINCHEONJI CHURCH OF JESUS, which is being investigated over the spread of the COVID-19 VIRUS in that country. Disgusting if religious fundos are with their perverted thinking deliberately trying to wipe out the human race. Come in runner and Josephus.

It would seem Mike Burgess's warning of rightwing terrorism in Australia was timely.

"Man charged after allegedly planning rightwing terrorism attack on NSW south coast" - The Guardian Australia

The hard right supporter is charged with one count; of acts done in preparation for, or planning, terrorist acts after a joint counter-terrorism team investigation. The offence carries a maximum penalty of life in jail. It needs to be checked if the alleged terrorist had any links to far right groups, or political parties.

Accrding to NSW police assistant commissioner Mark Walton; “This person had anti-government sentiment, he was antisemitic, he has neo-Nazi interests and he has anti-Indigenous interests,”

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/16/man-charged-after-allegedly-planning-rightwing-terrorism-attack-on-nsw-south-coast