Dear mhaze,

Gosselin and Hasbeen both have engineering qualifications but that is about it. Neither are climate experts.

To be saying to Hasbeen that I “Make up your opinion and then tell you how silly that opinion is.” is ludicrous. Gosselin may take a more nuanced view but Hasbeen is a full blown denier unless you can tell me otherwise.

As to general sloppiness on facts can we tidy up a few mate.

You claim “One more interesting fact from the Marambino site. Of the 49years they have data, the average summer temperature exceeded 0c only 6 times and only 2 of those were this century. But shhhhh don't tell anyone.”

Well no, the average Summer (D-J-F) temps over 0 degrees were 1993 – 0.14, 1995 - 0.83, 2000 – 0.16, 2002 – 1.09 and 2006 – 0.19, therefore only 5 times.

And we could easily write it this way, of the 49 years of data the summer average only exceeded zero once in the first 25 years but in the last 24 years it has done it 4 times.

Further this from you; “Prof de Freitas, way back in the 1990s explained that even if the Antarctic were to warm by a few degrees, it wouldn't be a problem because the temperature would still be above 0c. That was way too logical for the hysterics who therefore ignore it.”

Well no it isn't logical at all. Care to try again?

Look, I have no problem acknowledging there are cooling trends being recorded on some parts of the peninsula in this century, just as there are rising trends on other parts. But this “Yes the data from NASA from 1998 to 2019 shows cooling at every station in the area” from Hasbeen is demonstrably wrong. There is a very good reason why NTZ only picked 13 of the 19 weather stations.

Well lot's of assertions there.

SR wrote:" it isn't logical at all. Care to try again?"

Well, why isn't it logical? SR doesn't say. Perhaps just because he doesn't want it to be so. Perhaps water does melt at sub-zero temperatures if you really really want it to.

SR wrote (hoping to sneak it through):"There is a very good reason why NTZ only picked 13 of the 19 weather stations."

Yes there are good reasons. Because some of the stations have incomplete data. But then the whole scare is based on incomplete data so why let a little thing like that worry you, eh?

" the summer average only exceeded zero once in the first 25 years but in the last 24 years it has done it 4 times."

Well no cherry-picking there. No sireeeee. <sarc off>

"... Hasbeen is a full blown denier unless you can tell me otherwise."

So in SR-land, just making up stories about him saying that lack of warming in Antarctica this century shows "there is no global warming" is okie-dokie because he's a denier. So that means you can just fabricate any charge you want?

Yes, I'll tell you otherwise. None of us are deniers. What do we deny? Its just a charge and ad hominem you and the other climate hysterics have created to save you the need to actually think.

mhaze,

Yes you are an AGW denier. Underlying reason being that you do not understand the mechanics of the greenhouse effect.

Dear mhaze,

Hand feeding you is getting bloody tiresome.

For yet another time here is what you put. Please read it carefully;

"Prof de Freitas, way back in the 1990s explained that even if the Antarctic were to warm by a few degrees, it wouldn't be a problem because the temperature would still be above 0c."

Logical? Hardly.

Just ignore them, they lie to stir things up.

Now as there are wide arguments about warming or cooling
and statistics everywhere.
Do those on here (OPIN & SR please ignore) do you think it is possible
that the difficulty in producing definitive clear indications of trend
that the climate has changed and/or is changing indicates that there
is a real scientific gap in knowledge.

My own pet theory requires around this time that sunspot counts should
be high, but they are not they are quite low, but not as low as the
Maunder minimum.

The refusal to take into account all scientific information is a sure
indication that much is being missed.
So to my mind NO ONE has clue !

Dear Bazz,

Stop sooking mate. You are as acerbic as anyone on this forum and get constantly called out for your half truths and outright rubbish.

Now you are pulling sun spots out of your arse without any accompanying links or reference material and you are wanting to be taken seriously. Look at all the work our side put in backing up what we are contending, Max is a prime example, yet you lot hardly lift a finger but somehow think you are on an equal footing.

Give it a rest.