It is a terrible dilemma they have burdened us with.
1. We can monitor him 24 hours a day with a tracker.
2. We can refuse a prisoners right to release if we believe he will resume his activity.
3. We can repatriate him to his previous, or his parents country.
4. We can just release him and hope he is a genuinely rehabilitated.
5. Deport him & others to an uninhabited island.
6. The last resort; Execution. Show them the same mercey they showed others.

1.The cost is very high needs 15 staff 24/7 for about $6 Million a year each.
We know that it fails to protect life as last week.

2.This goes against all our legal traditions and Magna Carta.

3. Cancelling nationality is OK and works unless other country refuses.
They can be left in transit lounges

4. That will seal the death of some Australians.

5. Transport them to an island and leave them to support themselves.
One island comes to mind; Pitcain in the Sth Pacific.
It is a long way from all continents and remote from any islands.
It is the Island where the Bounty mutineers escaped to and they lived
there for over a hundred years. There is however about 40 people still
living on the Island. Perhaps they could be persuaded with a suitable
amount of money to follow their relatives to Norfolk Island.
The Island can support a significant population.
The Island could be declared a forbidden zone and monitored by satellite.
If the Islanders will not leave then another island must be found.

6. Not good, or do you have a better solution ?

Muslim refugees should be sent to the wealthiest Muslim Nations, other refugees are no problem !

All because of this ridiculous notion of "End of Sentence".

Terrorists are not criminals, they are prisoners-of-war, thus they should never be charged or sentenced!

Prisoners of war are detained indefinitely until either of the following happens:
1. The war ends.
2. A prisoner-swap deal.
3. They are too old/weak/injured to pose any further danger.
4. They convincingly change sides and become employed as double agents.

Yuyutsu,
Terrorists are criminals of the worst kind,
If they were prisoners of war, there'd be a strong case for trying them in The Hague for war crimes.
But they're not, so we have to try and sentence them here.

Bazz yes what do we do, first indy you propose we become the very same evil these sub humans are, not the answer
Bazz why risk it? why ever ever ever set them free
Well tell you why our justice system is insane
It and we talk of it daily, lets true filth walk free
We know it is not working look at that insane car killer in Melbourne
This World must stop terrorists using our system against us keep them locked up always and forever

How much money do us taxpayers fork out each year to maintain surveillance over citizens of Middle Eastern and Islamic affiliations? A lot more than we spend on our environment, which is presently being devastated by climate change.

We are living in interesting times. We have been destroying our environment to the point where we are running out of water and have created a barren landscape for maintaining our population. We're pretty much stuffed!

What part has multiculturalism and our governments' push to overpopulate the country in order to drive economic growth have caused our ever increasing environmental emergencies?

We do what ScuMo wants us to do: Shut up and don't say anything. Scumo is my favourite wannabe dictator.

"We" don't do anything. It's not up to us. It's up to incompetent, gutless politicians. And those gutless politicians think that terrorists can be treated like criminals, when they are not criminals: they are subhumans that have to be removed from society permanently. That isn't going to happen, and there's not much point in the hoi polloi (us) discussing it.

Dear Aidan,

«Terrorists are criminals of the worst kind»

A criminal is someone who knows that what they do is wrong, but does it anyway for selfish gain.

Terrorists are usually (though not always) the opposite: they believe what they do to be right, they gain nothing personal by doing it and are willing to sacrifice their own life and limb for what they believe to be for the betterment of the world.

Do they need to be stopped? Of course, they are a danger.
Do they need to be tried? No, because their character is not in question (unless it also happens to be, then it would be different).

When there are wolves or dingoes roaming free where people live, you just shoot them (or take them to a zoo), you don't put them on trial because their character is not questionable - they just do what's ordained by nature for wolves and dingoes to do.

Terrorists just do what enemy soldiers are meant to do - they fight their enemy, which happens to be you and me. As much as the situation is uncomfortable for us, their acts are usually honourable so it is wrong to treat them with contempt and bundle them with the lowest scum of the earth who take immoral shortcuts in attempting to gain money, sex and/or power.

Once caught, the place of terrorists is not in court, neither in the Hague nor here, but rather anywhere where they can do us no harm - be it in heaven above or below the earth. And when we take them there, temporary or permanently, we should do so with all respect.

first indy you propose we become the very same evil these sub humans are, not the answer
Belly,
So then, what is the solution ? I mean look at the insane wealth of Arab nations yet they don't take in the refugees ? Ever thought about WHY that is ? THINK !
Absolutely nothing to do with us being "evil". You are aware of the adage "you got to be cruel to be kind" aren't you ?
The Europeans practiced compassion now look where it got them. Do you want Australians be just as silly ? Well, I don't ! Why don't we we ever get any answers from our indigenous activists if they want more or less such 'refugees" ?
Will it really take the Chinese to take over Australia to stop it from becoming a Muslim country ?

What Do We Do at End of Sentance with Terrorists ?
I assume the above is a typo.
Anyhow, do whats normally done with the end of a sentence, put a full stop to it !

The London stabber was originally given an indeterminate sentence (ie unlimited) which was reduced to 16 yrs and then he got out in 5.

These people are seeking nothing less than the overthrow of the government and the subjugation of the people in the name of their god.

Give them the sentence that treason against the society deserves and then make them serve the entire sentence.

Mostly the people who are prepared kill themselves are the young. Once they get past the idiocy of youth, they tend to be a bit less self-sacrificing...instead they encourage the next generation to blow themselves up.

So keep 'em locked up til they're 40 or so before even considering letting them out.

Oh and stop all Muslim immigration effective yesterday.

A couple of nonsuitable suggestions;
Yuyutsu suggested treating them as POWs.
Depending on whether they were caught in the act or in preparation
they could be treated as war criminals and executed.
In preparation Belly's suggestion of sending them to the richest Arab
countries has a problem; Saudi Arabia's deRadicalisation school has
been revealed to be a training camp on how not to get caught.

The cost of monitoring has been put at $6 million a year for each
terrorist being monitored. It requires a team of 15 for each suspect.

My suggestion is execute those caught in an operation or after.
Those caught in preparation exile on an inaccessible Island for the
term of their natural life. No internet or telephone.
Hopefully they will start feuding and wipe each other out.

It is all very nasty, but it is a case of them or us.

Oh I forgot, no women on the exile island, we don't want them breeding.

If these people have permanent residence or citizenship, they are traitors.

What has usually been done with traitors? Surely we have a few walls to line them up against.

Perhaps a few of our judges should join them.

indy try again, some even most are Australian born
We can not deport them
Not build an offshore detention prison in another countrys land
We should follow mhaze and never set them free

All cultures embody faginism to a greater or lesser degree. This can extend itself into exploitation of the mentally deficient.

US is also guilty, re the character Forest Gump was a charicature of McNamaras Morons. The mentally deficient, press-ganged during the Vietnam war, used for making up troop numbers.

This practice was roundly condemned at the time in the US. And it's this line of thinking that needs to be exercised when dealing with the types recruited for terrorism.
An identification process by Muslims themselves and in their own communities, to better manage these vulnerable people.

Dan

We can not deport them
Belly,
WHY the hell not if they want to live in a Muslim society, we should send them to one ! They forfeited their rights as Australian Citizens. No if's no but's !

Certainly if they swore allegiance to the Caliphate they are no longer
Australian citizens, but are citizens of the country that took over
from the Caliphate.

Dan, all Arab muslims fit your characteristic as Arabs have been
marrying their cousins for around 2000 years.

Hasbeen suggestion of execution as traitors is a very long tradition
even in countries with the same legal traditions as ours.
I am not sure it would even need an act of parliament to implement it.
Battlefield executions have a long history. So if terrorists are
captured in an incident they could be executed on the command of the
senior officer at the time. No doubt for them on who is guilty.

These are not terrorists in the true sense. I side with Yuyutsu.
It is a religious act aimed at the individual, those not of their faith.
It is not a war waged against the state at all.

And if your half honest with yourself, it is western states engaged in a war against Muslims for capitalist gains. Thieving oil.

Give that one some thought Bazz. You've been sucked in.
Turn off you radio and TV, throw away your newspapers. Give up drinking and drugs, and convert to Islam if you feel threatened by them.
But get ready to pay them a tax for the privilege.

Dan

Dear Bazz,

Breivik was sentenced to 21 years for slaughtering 77 and injuring over 300 people. His minimum is 10 years jail time.

Why do you want to send him to Saudi Arabia?

Dan,

Thieving oil ? How's that, by the rest of the world paying them low prices ? i.e. us ?

Thieving ? From some of the most wealthy (per capita) countries in the world ? Wealthy because of their sale of oil ? Isn't a Middle eastern oil company currently up for sale for a couple of trillion dollars ? Who gets that couple of trillion - us, world capitalism or the producing countries ?

And all that gives some 'true believers' licence to kill and maim ? How do you join all THOSE dots ?

Or could it be that they absolutely fit the definition of 'terrorist' ? And others fit the definition of 'useful idiot' perfectly ? Hey, Dan ?

Joe

Until we deal with the bureaucrats, uni professors, national broadcaster and every other leftist mob take responsibility for allowing these people groups into out country I don't think much can be done. It would not be hard to look back and see on whose watch these terrorist came here. Most of these people are on cushy tax payer funded pensions, living in leafy suburbs and more than likely banging on about climate change, racism, white privilege etc.

Joe

You being a firm believer the Iraq war was a legitimate attempt to depose Saddam Hussein for his weapons of mass destruction?

And the fairy tale supposes the Afghan war is one to depose the communists.

You can go with that one.

And the price of oil is too low. Not sure on your line there.

And no terrorists were a result of that mix of oil plunder.

And George Bush is Jesus?

Dan

Just seeing where the discussion is going, or might be going, I need to clarify that I do not side with or support terrorism, or any other form of violence for that matter.

Most Muslim terrorists are honourable enemy combatants, but still they are enemies and their reasons for fighting are completely misguided.

One day, hopefully, they will fight on our side, against the invading Chinese - they have so much to lose under Chinese rule and they will make great and brave guerilla warriors.

But get ready to pay them a tax for the privilege.
diver dan,
A Stupidity Tax ? What a great idea ! There's billions to be had ! Imagine the tax bracket you'd be in !

Yuyutsu sorry but your last post is weird
Every God I ever heard of condemns such as your soldiers
In the end folk like you empower them
Lock them up forever

Dan,

No, I marched with tens of thousands of others here in Adelaide, in March 2003, to protest the phony war against Iraq.

No, I don't think that communism has anything to do these days with Afghanistan.

Like any other commodity, oil is traded on an open world market, at whatever prices it can command. Middle Eastern countries all seem to be doing pretty well out of it.

And no, I think terrorist organisations already in existence in 2003, al Qa'ida for example (remember al Qa'ida ?), when the US invaded Iraq, used that illegal invasion as a pretext and an opportunity to build up their strength and attempt to overthrow governments in Iraq (again) and Syria.

And if were a Yank, I would never have voted for Bush.

Anything else ? Do I have a cure for idiocy ? Sorry, Dan, no, you'll have to ask someone else.

Joe

Dear Loudmouth,

Don't lie, you do have a cure for idiocy. It's just that you are keeping all for yourself.

Misopinionated,

If I had a cure for idiocy, I would certainly offer it to you for free, with full directions, given that you need it urgently.

Joe

Most of these people come from fairly hot dry countries.

How about a nice refugee style camp in the middle of the Simpson desert. We could let them run it themselves, & deliver a few sheep & some fuel once a month.

Dan, I have always wondered about you. Now you have confirmed it.
Are you an Arab by any chance ? If so I can understand it all.
Currently we are paying a somewhat higher price for oil than what the natural level would be.
This because OPEC has cut back production to
"protect the revenue" as they put it.
The reason they are putting Aramco on the market is because they can
see the end of the current level of production and that decline is not
all that far away.
Your analysis of the Middle East and western countries is to put it politely just wacky.

Bazz one must wonder are the fires burning near Dan, some crops can send up some weird things in the way of smoke
Hope you are ok Dan

Joe

I'm not attempting to define ME politics. I am apathetic to it.

This thread is about dealing with terrorists (sic) at home.
On that one I've made a statement.

Dan
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Bazz

It's simple to work out.
I'm not into panic situations. And a few losses to the Muslim misguided attacks by the mentally deficient are minuscule even to road deaths. Should we ban cars?

Dan

a few losses to the Muslim misguided attacks by the mentally deficient
diver dan,
I must say you have a rather strange definition-understanding of the term 'few' !

The issue is really about the release of people on terrorism related charges and is precipitated by the early release of a terrorist who went onto murder 2 people.

Note that this happened in the UK where a labour government introduced legislation enabling early parole for pretty much any crime so the terrorist was released after serving only 4? years of a 12 yr sentence.

In Aus, dangerous criminals can held at least until the full sentence has expired and longer if still deemed to be a danger.

Shadow Minister well, so what if, and it sounds right, Labour did weaken that law
Been a while no doubt like me, be honest, you are wondering why it has not been fixed
You will be pleased, me not surprised, that Boris is a shoe in on thursday their time
Labour took a goose with policies bound to be rejected in to the election
One possible result? a DLP type split in that party post Corbyn's brain snap
However our law is dreadful sack the lot handing down justice election for every position and let them tell us [more lies?] how they intend to dispence justice give us the power to recall and sack the foolish ones

Shadow said;
In Aus, dangerous criminals can held at least until the full sentence
has expired and longer if still deemed to be a danger.

Do you know if the legality of that provision has been challenged ?
It would look like someone is being imprisoned just on the opinion
of a public servant.
It is reported that 6 terrorists are to be released end of next year.
That will mean an extra 90 people employed to watch them and an extra
$36 million of cost.
As their numbers grow it will be unmanageable.
Pitcain Island looks very attractive.

Dan, strangely people feel differently about car accidents and the
deliberate slaughter of people because they do not believe in their
brand of religion.
Look at the cost and effort being put into changing the airbags in cars.
I think we should make a much bigger effort to remove the source of terrorists.

Pitcain Island looks very attractive.
Bazz,
You sick puppy, Pitcairn is a beautiful place ! Heard Island would be way better to cool down their sick enthusiasm !

Bazz & Individual,

Pitcairn Island is not Australian-controlled territory. Heard Island is, and also it's a bit closer, more manageable. A bit colder maybe. Pity the poor guards who would have to live there.

Terrorists could be put to useful work killing rabbits which, in the Koran, are probably an abomination - in the Old Testament, they are unclean because they do not have split hooves, and since the Koran copies the OT thoroughly, they'll be doing Allah's work as well as Australia's.

Joe

Jimmi Hendrix was assassinated by the CIA for his support of the fledgling domestic terrorists, black panthers. Most of their key figures suffered premature deaths.

So the answer is extra judicial killing. That's how the US works.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eVetJ407n_k

Dan

Ah yes Heard Island, I had forgotten about it.
It is even more inaccessible and quite cold. We would not need guards
there, just push them ashore and say survive if you can.
To survive they would learn the necessity of work.
Just imagine no Welfare Jizyaz tax just hard work.
Then for terrorism they could keep an eye on the volcano.
When they see the glow they can worry about being terrorised by rumbling.
Last I heard there were no trees so they could not build a boat.
They could build stone huts. Plenty of food, seals etc.

What a good idea. Now to get the pollies to agree, but I can hear
the lovies now, oh you cannot do that, it is cruel.
Give them the option Heard Is or bang !

This ones for free:

Hendrix profetic:

"All along the watch tower"

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fTCID7fQSQc

Dan

IE.
profetic is pathetic when prophetic alone will do!

Death no minor chord to resolve the issue through.

Dan

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Dear Bazz,

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Australia is an active member of the International Alliance fighting Daech, Al-Quaïda, and other terrorist organisations in Syria, Iraq and neighbouring countries.

In my opinion, Australian citizens returning to Australia, suspected of having been associated with the terrorists in some way, should be brought to court and tried for treason under our terrorist laws :

« Section 80 of the Commonwealth Criminal Code makes [treason] an offence punishable by mandatory life imprisonment.

Treason by assisting the enemy :

Under Section 80.1AA of the Commonwealth Criminal Code, a person [also] commits treason if they are an Australian citizen or resident and intentionally engage in conduct that materially assists the enemy in armed conflict against the Commonwealth or the Australian Defence Force. A person is not guilty of treason under this section if the assistance is purely humanitarian in nature.

The offence of treason by assisting the enemy was introduced in 2002, in response to the need to ensure that Australians involved in armed conflict with a terrorist organisation could be dealt with under Australian law. The existing legislation relating to foreign incursions and recruitment was felt to be inadequate to deal with alleged activities by Australian in support of Al-Qa’ida in post-September 11 Afghanistan.

The provision was originally drafted broadly enough that it encompassed activities limited to humanitarian work. The section was subsequently amended to exclude humanitarian activities from its operation. The section originally was not limited to Australian citizens and residents. This was later rectified.

The traditional formulation of treason was extended to cover acts against the Australian defence forces because of a belief that Australia owed it to its defence forces fighting in conflicts overseas to prohibit any other Australians from assisting the other force » :

http://www.gotocourt.com.au/criminal-law/treason-offences/
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As I have often indicated on other threads, here on OLO, I, personally, consider that for “atrocious crimes” such as child murder, serial killing, torture murder, rape murder, mass murder, terrorism, and premeditated murder that is carefully planned and executed – legal euthanasia should apply – not life imprisonment.

.

Yer Banjo Paterson, is that true.

I think you've been sitting on your recliner too long.

Is this you Alan B? We've already buried nicknamenick. RHOsty, to name a couple of your previous terrorist attacks on OLO.

Firstly, you have soooo much to say on one side of this forum, but on this side you are consistently silent.
If I were chasing down a terrorist, I'd consider this fact as a big red flag, and go looking for evidence.

The first piece of evidence is the stupid you raised in your post above.
The second is the long winded diatribe used to make a simple statement.
The third is the infatuation you hold in appearances, aimed towards legitimising stupid ideas.

And who is a terrorist Alan?
I'll tell you what one isn't. It's not a terrorist that brandishes a carving knife on London Bridge.
That individual is a nut case who should be treated as one: Muslim or not!

Your one Al, how should we treat the insane?

Dan

Bango yes and yes we need to see more of you intelligence is not always seen near
The bigotry about every Muslim is low IQ stuff
But the need for the law to reflect our wishes remains forever

And who is a terrorist Alan?
diver dan,
Anyone who defends terrorists is one too !

It's not a terrorist that brandishes a carving knife on London Bridge.
diver dan,
Brandishing is really not anywhere near as dangerous as actually using. Only terrorists use weapons !
Even you could possibly understand that !

Belly said; The bigotry about every Muslim is low IQ stuff

It is the average IQ that is low. Some individuals will be lucky and
might have an IQ over 100 but the average is around 80.
It is simply a matter of genetics. You would think that a people that
breed horses and camels would know better.
However Mohammad advised them, after getting advice from Allah, that
it was OK.
There have been genetic studies both in NSW and the UK which found it
to be a problem especially with Pakistanis as they have a high rate of
cousin marriage of 70%.
Anyone who does not take this into account when trying to sort out
problems with moslems has really got an uphill battle.
Just google it, consanguinity is the medical term.
It also explains their overreaction to events such as the Mohammad cartoons.
No point in blaming the messenger, it is just a fact of life.

Individual

There is little difference between branding every Christian a homophobe, and branding every Muslim a terrorist: But yet...

But poor old Bazz is finding rough ground identifying every Muslim as low IQ. He's not trying real hard to hide his bigotry in the process either.
I'd say a bigot would be a person of low IQ. Maybe Bazz is a closet Muslim!

Dan.

Dan, don't take my word for it. It is just the way it is and nothing
you, me or anybody else can say or do will change the facts.
Just read about it, it is a terrible problem that has been loaded onto
a whole race of people and the custom was spread into India and
elsewhere with the invasion by the Arab armies.

Bazz with respect think it was me who introduced the term LOW IQ first
Still firmly, think we need a justice system that lets us see the person who sits in judgement at all levels, hear their intentions
But we too need the ability to remove them in cases like the London one and our recent Melbourne one
Letting criminals out who we know may murder is a crime too

Bazz,

I don't think Arabs ever invaded India - Persians and Afghans and central Asians and Mongols, yes, but not Arabs. Those other groups brought Islam into India . So maybe not all Muslims have low IQs because of cross-cousin marriages. Maybe many have IQs as high as yours, or - who knows - even higher ?!

And surprise ! Not all Indians are Muslims. And not everybody wearing funny clothes is a Muslim. It's a very diverse world.

Joe

More Indians are in fact not Muslims
The dividing of Pakistan/India saw much bloodshed and murder
Back on thread another Terrorist arrive home today after we won the right to put him on trial here hope it is for a very long time

Your amusing Joe.

No doubt about you, your a straight shooter... :-)

Dan.

Belly,

Yes, and I hope that he is incarcerated for the maximum possible time, if not longer, given that deradicalisation is very likely a crock.

Joe

diver dan,
Could you please explain how someone with a high IQ could be indoctrinated with so much nonsense ?

Individual:

Your unravelling!

Why not settle back and watch some high quality rock guitar composition by a former terrorist, Jimmi Hendrix?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fTCID7fQSQc

Dan

diver dan,
Why not settle back and see if you can muster an answer ?

Individual.

Speaking of terrorism, I've just learned how to coax Siri to mimick an orgasm.
The wonders of nature. (And technology).

I guess that's as close to you as I'd get :-)

Dan

I guess that's as close to you as I'd get :-)
diver dan,
Did you pretend Siri is one of your 72 imaginary virgins ?

diver dan,
Five days of stumm, no hear from you, are you caught up in a hand-change ?

Heard on the radio that one Australian return IS bloke now claims he was mislead by "Hollywood" type edited ISIS recruiting videos. Well, that should be ok then ! Perhaps we should get him membership of the RSL, surely the Do-gooder movement can afford that ? After they helped to acquit him of treason of course !